Views of Pakistanis regarding 1965 war

[Quick MIK]

Theres no International Borders between the two sides of Kashmir, Kashmir was always a disputed territory since 1948.

Lahore was never a disputed territory and Lahore was always part of Pakistan since 1947. Indians violated International Law and violated International Borders and invaded Lahore, Pakistan. We kicked you out, kept your indian troops as war prisoners, and kept your tanks and won the war.

By your disputed territory argument the indian takeover of siachen is justified.

 

[Shabz Nist]

I wonder why Bilal 'propaganda' kid is non-responsive....

 

[Omar1984]

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By your disputed territory argument the indian takeover of siachen is justified.

Dont worry. We will come again and free entire Indian Occupied Kashmir. As theres no International Borders just a Line of Control that can move here and there, but you indians wont have the guts to cross international borders ever again because you will never forget how we kicked you out in 1965 and kept your tanks.

 

[Bhairava]

Theres no International Borders between the two sides of Kashmir, Kashmir was always a disputed territory since 1948.

Lahore was never a disputed territory and Lahore was always part of Pakistan since 1947. Indians violated International Law and violated International Borders and invaded Lahore, Pakistan. We kicked you out, kept your indian troops as war prisoners, and kept your tanks and won the war.

The strategic aim of Pakistan before the war was to liberate Kashmir. It failed in that objective,beaten back and was forced to 'defend' its own territory after the Indian counter-offensive.

Pakistan failed in its prime objective and I dont know how that could be considered a win.

 

[Omar1984]

The strategic aim of Pakistan before the war was to liberate Kashmir. It failed in that objective,beaten back and was forced to 'defend' its own territory after the Indian counter-offensive.
Pakistan failed in its prime objective and I dont know how that could be considered a win.

We came back to Indian Occupied Kashmir in 1999 and we will come again. Pakistan didnt fail in its objective as there is still just a Line of Control, and Kashmir is still a disputed territory. The struggle is still going on for Kashmir's independence from indian occupation.

However, you failed in your objective of capturing Lahore and will never dare invade Pakistan again

So Pakistan won

 

[53fd]

1965: Indian Army invades W Pakistan

Indian troops have invaded West Pakistan, crossing the border at three points in an attack which appears to be aimed mainly at the city of Lahore.
Authorities in Delhi say their action was intended to prevent a direct attack by Pakistani forces against India.

On 25 August, Pakistani soldiers launched a covert operation across the ceasefire line, established in 1949 after the first Indo-Pakistani war, into Indian-administered Jammu and Kashmir.

Since then there have been a number of clashes along the ceasefire line, but this is the first time Indian troops have crossed into West Pakistan in what is being seen as an act of war.

Air attacks

Since the first Indo-Pakistan war, both countries have continued to lay claim to the entire state of Kashmir. Currently Pakistan controls the smaller, northern sector of Azad Kashmir and the remaining area of Jammu and Kashmir, known commonly as Kashmir, is held by India.

Details of today's invasion are sketchy. There have been reports of the Indian Air Force in action, striking against military targets, including an oil tanker train, a group of military vehicles, a goods train carrying supplies, an army camp and some gun positions.

A spokesman for the Indian government said: "Our policy is that when Pakistan has bases from which it is mounting attacks on our territory we have to destroy those bases."

The Defence Minister Yashwantrao Chavan blamed recent attacks by Pakistani forces for the invasion.

Although there have been a number of air attacks against Indian installations in Punjab, these seem to have been mostly by single aircraft.

But Mr Chavan said: "It was quite apparent Pakistan's next move was to attack Punjab across the international frontier."

Reports from the Pakistani city of Karachi say forces have beaten back the Indian Army from Lahore.

They said advances at the border towns of Jasar, Wagah and Bedian had all been "fully stopped".

Pakistani officials say the number of Indian dead in the Lahore sector is 800, their own casualties are reported to be "very light".

The Pakistani President Ayub Khan has made an emergency broadcast to the nation saying, "We are at war".

He said the Indian attack was proof of the evil intentions which India had always harboured against Pakistan.

Reports from Delhi say Pakistani paratroopers have landed in the Punjab. Small groups have dropped in three places, Pathankot, Patiala and Ambala in an apparent attempt to damage military installations.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/...tories/september/6/newsid_3632000/3632092.stm

 

[Bhairava]

We came back to Indian Occupied Kashmir in 1999 and we will come again. Pakistan didnt fail in its objective as their is still just a Line of Control, and Kashmir is still a disputed territory. The struggle is still going on for Kashmir's independence.

However, you failed in your objective of capturing Lahore and will never dare invade Pakistan again

So Pakistan won

Even if you had not invaded it would have still been 'Line of control'. So again the purpose of Pakistani invasion ?

Also you are welcome to invade again. We are looking forward to it to finish this issue once and for all.

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/...tories/september/6/newsid_3632000/3632092.stm

What is the purpose of this link ? Haven't you heard that the best form of defense is offense. Op.Gibralter was the starting of the war, not the crossing.

BTW are you satisfied with the land claims and the links supporting it ?

 

[Quick MIK]

We came back to Indian Occupied Kashmir in 1999 and we will come again. Pakistan didnt fail in its objective as there is still just a Line of Control, and Kashmir is still a disputed territory. The struggle is still going on for Kashmir's independence from indian occupation.

However, you failed in your objective of capturing Lahore and will never dare invade Pakistan again

So Pakistan won

Our objective is defending kashmir we done it pretty well thats why you guys again and again tried to grab it.I can understand your frustration better luck next time.

 

[Nirvana]

We came back to Indian Occupied Kashmir in 1999 and we will come again. Pakistan didnt fail in its objective as there is still just a Line of Control, and Kashmir is still a disputed territory. The struggle is still going on for Kashmir's independence from indian occupation.

However, you failed in your objective of capturing Lahore and will never dare invade Pakistan again

So Pakistan won

So Pakistan Army Will try Another Kargil ? Pakistan has failed to Liberate Kashmir in 65 Years then will It be Able Now when India is Growing Stronger day by Day

Pakistan Just can't Liberate Kashmir with Force On its Own

 

[53fd]

Pakistan army Gen. Mohammad Musa visiting Khem Karn, Punjab, India after being captured by Pakistan

Pakistani soldiers taking position in Khem Karn, Punjab, India

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Even if you had not invaded it would have still been 'Line of control'. So again the purpose of Pakistani invasion ?

Also you are welcome to invade again. We are looking forward to it to finish this issue once and for all.

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What is the purpose of this link ? Haven't you heard that the best form of defense is offense. Op.Gibralter was the starting of the war, not the crossing.

BTW are you satisfied with the land claims and the links supporting it ?

It's an op-ed by the Time, just like the one from Carnegie Mellon.

 

[Bhairava]

@Bilal Haider

If both the sides resort to posting pictures there are plenty on both sides like Lt.Col Hari Singh in front of Barkee police station in Lahore and Indian soldiers doing Bhangra atop captured Pakistani tanks.

These photos were taken in territories both sides held and it has been proved that Indian side held the larger amount of hostile territory.

So please lets not make this a picture thread and concentrate on arguments & counter arguments.

It's an op-ed by the Time, just like the one from Carnegie Mellon.

Not every news report with a fancy title is an Op-Ed nor was it written by an Indian.

You asked for a news report/neutral link and it was provided. You are just denying whats in plain sight. Regarding Carnegie Mellon, it was not Carnegie Mellon perse, it was by Mr.Hussain haqqani, the now disgraced Pakistani Ambassador to US who could hardly be called neutral.

 

[Shabz Nist]

1965: Indian Army invades W Pakistan



http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/...tories/september/6/newsid_3632000/3632092.stm

Lol...bilal....I see you have the caliber to be named the propaganda minister of pakistan. This is from the BBC- On this day. Indian troops crossed into pak territory after obvious and needless provocation.

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It's an op-ed by the Time, just like the one from Carnegie Mellon.

The carnegie mellon op-ed was authored by HUSSEIN HAQQANI. Now please dont call that "unbiased" and "neutral".

 

[53fd]

Lol...bilal....I see you have the caliber to be named the propaganda minister of pakistan. This is from the BBC- On this day. Indian troops crossed into pak territory after obvious and needless provocation.

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The carnegie mellon op-ed was authored by HUSSEIN HAQQANI. Now please dont call that "unbiased" and "neutral".

It would not have been published if it was biased. It is the Carnagie Mellon in Washington DC that printed it, & these are their claims. If it weren't their claims, they would have mentioned at the start of the article that these are the author's sole claims, & not the views of Carnegie Mellon.

There were skirmishes in both in Rann of Kutch & elsewhere for sometime, but it was India that initiated the war, & the BBC article proves that.

 

[Ambitious449]

India was recovering from 1962 debacle. So i would rate Indian Army's performance higher as 1962 was confidence shattering defeat for whole nation. And if you see Indian Army;s performance in 1971 you can clearly see how India became stronger. Over and all 1965 was stale mate case but it had found a base for 1971 victory.

 

[Bhairava]

I think that Pakistanis are a victim of massive propaganda by the Pakistan Armed forces regarding the 1965 war as was clearly borne out of the de-classified telegrams of the US Consul General during the war and also the Army's move to buy out all the copies of the book, "The Myth of 1965 victory" by an ex-ISI general in 2002.