Vietnam SU-30 locked by J-10, 10 times

[Rechoice]

Exactly, the OP mentions that the locks were continuous, so by that you can interpret that it was locked on a dozen different occasions, rather than broken 11 times.

I agree with you. This post on PDF is for joke.

 

[houshanghai]

VAF haven't any advanced air combat system and multi-agent System

poor VAF only have several su30mkk.

It is impossible to win PLAAF

 

[Viva_Viet]

VAF haven't any advanced air combat system and multi-agent System

poor VAF only have several su30mkk.

It is impossible to win PLAAF

Yep, it's impposible for VNAF to win PLAAF coz VN don't have enough money to spend in AF, but VNAF is not your main opponent, S-300, AAA system and fake target are your Biggest obstacle

 

[houshanghai]

Yep, it's impposible for VNAF to win PLAAF coz VN don't have enough money to spend in AF, but VNAF is not your main opponent, S-300, AAA system and fake target are your Biggest obstacle

you spoke N times about your S-300, AAA system and fake target in this thread


you know we have countless j7 uavs . it is very easy to find them .then these aim will be utterly destroyed by intermediate range ballistic missile.

 

[Viva_Viet]

you spoke N times about your S-300, AAA system and fake target in this thread


you know we have countless j7 uav . it is very easy to find them .then these aim will be utterly destroyedby intermediate range ballistic missile.

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What is this ??it's your Mig 21 ??During Border conflic, you could not recognize the diffrent between the Real and the Fake , now you think this Craft can help you ??

 

[houshanghai]

What is this ??it's your Mig 21 ??During Border conflic, you could not recognize the diffrent between the Real and the Fake , now you think this Craft can help you ??

you know we still have EW's means.All your vietnam 's S-300, AAA system will have no function in face of PLAAF

 

[luckyyy]

1st we don't lock on any thing which is already locked so you can lock 12 times only if it is broken 11 times......now what I am asking what kind of avionics does J-10 contain that even degraded electronics were able to break the lock a dozen times that to with an amateur Vietnamese pilot............and about the confidence part......a professional doesn't show their moral and emotions on the battle feild.



Try doing that in a battlefield and I'll pary for you..........do you even know what a real combat situation demands......failing the to lock even 3-4 times and would end the game for you.......and what makes it even pathetic is that AWACS datalink was being used.......plus the newbie Vietnamese pilot on a downgraded flanker.

first of all the news has no reliability , it was just a message/post by a member on a militry forum , by someones own convenience it's proclaimed to be a insider , funny , isn't it..

 

[Viva_Viet]

you know we still have EW's means.All your vietnam 's S-300, AAA system will have no function in face of PLAAF

, Oki, now I know why your Gov. ban the foreign website, coz if they don't ban, Chinese will realize that: They're not Powerfull as they think

Even you craft can avoid S-300 and AAA system, it still can not recognize the diffrent between Fake and Real target, so PLAAF just watse their boom like during border conflic time, and that means: China will waste money for Nothing

 

[ptldM3]

The Bollywoodaydreamers and No1 Weapons importer have contributed nothing, all avionics and software of the SU-30MKI are Israelis, made by Israel and imported from Israel. If India was so good in manufacturing avionics, it would not have imported all its weapons and technology from the West, while it would have long been able to manufacture its own aircraft, buillet train while in the case of China, despite western technological embargoes it has been able to produce its own bulltet train, constructing the longest world sea bridge, and producing mostly its own weaponry and technology. Even in the case of civil software China will surpass India.

Almost none of the avionics are Israeli.

That "someone" occured to be a PLAAF officer in China, who served as liason to Pakistan previously. He was also active with negotiating with Russians when China purchased Su-27/Su-30 from Russia. Basically, since the Chinese military is quite secretive, he's the only few reliable sources available.

For a country with such tight censorship and internet regulation I find it strange that this supposed PLAAF officer is divulging such information.

Vietnam can't afford to play with these toys, so Su-30MK2 will still become useless for them to put it against China.

Utter nonsense.

Russia made is slowly rotten, also be aware the Russians always make troubles to the buyer to blackmail more money.

Indian friend should know that well.

If I do recall correctly the JF-17's radar was based off of a Zhuk radar.

How did you come to the conclusion that the Chinese AWACS are pathetic?

AWACS are usually used to detect targets at long range and direct fighters to these targets.
However, it is usually the combination of the missiles guidance system and the fighters fire-control radar that gives a lock.

The Su-30's may have broken the missile lock themselves, or it could have been the case that the J-10 pilots were simply toying with them and playing psychological mind-games.

The part about the mind games, if true, just demonstrates a level of unprofessionalism and sheer stupidity. Now for the J-10, awacs, and SU-30. The Chinese do operate the same aircraft as the Vietnamese so they know the radars frequency, thus jamming it should not be too difficult, of course this all depending on the Vietnamese.

More interesting is that pupu claimed the SU-30 to be continuously locked but it also states that the SU-30 was locked a dozen times, obviously either the OP translated something incorrectly of pupu got tangled in his own web of lies.

Firstly it would not be difficult for a formation of SU-30's to jam or deceive J-10's even if they lacked decent electronic counter measures (ECM). One of the simplest ways would be to use chaffs, this would confuse the J-10's radar by causing a spike(s), although some radars may recognize these counter measures, so with the advent of chaffs pupu's statement of a continuous lock is starting to look suspicious.

Now let us look at radar resolutions, every radar has a resolution, the higher the better. The article mentioned that the SU-30 flew in formation of four. When a formation of aircraft is flown a high resolution radar should be able to distinguish each aircraft apart from one another, if the formation is too close or the radar has a poor resolution then the radar will not identify each aircraft. Again the article is self contradicting, one hand it is a continuous lock and on the other hand the SU-30 was locked a dozen times. If the SU-30's were locked a dozen times then it is safe to say that they disrupted the J-10's radar from locking. Similarly if the SU-30 was in a tight enough formation than the J-10's radar would have difficulty picking up the individual aircraft, in tern the SU-30's would be able to get closer without being 'locked', from there IR missiles may be used if range permits.


The article also makes it clear that the SU-30's were aware that they were locked, this implies that their radar warning receivers (RWR) alerted them, yet the article claims that the Su-30's were not able to find the J-10's, which is odd considering a radar RWR was probably what alerted the SU-30's and the SU-30's RWR can identify targets. Then of course is the SU-30's own jammers which can employ a number of different jamming techniques. Can the J-10 lock onto the SU-30 and jam its radar? Yes, can the SU-30 disrupt the J-10's ability to lock on? Yes. It's up to the reader to interpret this 'insiders' claim anyway they like.

The OP did mention the Su-30 pilots losing much confidence and becoming demoralised.

And he know this how? Did the Vietnamese pilots share their inner most deepest thoughts? This is nothing more than propaganda at it finest.

 

[S10]

For a country with such tight censorship and internet regulation I find it strange that this supposed PLAAF officer is divulging such information.

Did he reveal any sensitive details? No.

All he did was stated J-10 toyed with Vietnamese Su-30s at will and kept their radars jammed throughout the entire incident. Considering China had operated Su-30 since the mid 1990's, knowing their weaknesses is nothing to be surprised about.

 

[ptldM3]

Did he reveal any sensitive details? No.

All he did was stated J-10 toyed with Vietnamese Su-30s at will and kept their radars jammed throughout the entire incident. Considering China had operated Su-30 since the mid 1990's, knowing their weaknesses is nothing to be surprised about.

I never used the word 'sensitive', but if the incident really did happen it is not something you would want to reveal. Word travels fast, the last thing you would want would be politicians and other government officials to see this incident as a provocation that may warrant a response, or a modernization/build up of the military.

 

[S10]

I never used the word 'sensitive', but if the incident really did happen it is not something you would want to reveal. Word travels fast, the last thing you would want would be politicians and other government officials to see this incident as a provocation that may warrant a response, or a modernization/build up of the military.

Here is another bit he revealed. It was planned to bring Vietnamese to the negotiating table by letting them know they're outmatched even at their doorsteps. It worked, since Vietnamese defence minister went to negotiate in Bejing the very next week.

It was no more provocative than Vietnam's live fire drill recently. I wouldn't be too concerned about reprecussions, since no official news reported it. If a sh*t storm does kick up, both sides can simply say internet myth. Vietnam did try to modernize after the incident. Went to Russia almost immediately to improved their countermeasure capability to jamming. When they could not afford the price tag, they asked the Indians for help.

Actually now that I think about it, he did reveal a little too much.

 

[houshanghai]

lol bcz this monumental failure of air combat with PLAAF. Your vietnam's great general had been appointed to approach our chiefs of staff maxiaotian and sue for peace in BEIJING.

 

[DARKY]

How do you know the lock was broken ten times.. or it was locked on on ten different occasions??
Reaching demeaning conclusions based on a single sentence??

The same very sentence is being used idiotically to claim that J-10's superiority over Su 30MK2 by some Chinese boys.......what makes it even funnier is that the same Su 30MK2 is the best available combat plane in the PLAAF.......and on top of that the confidence part.

How do you know that??
Why is using an AWACS datalink pathetic?? I find it innovative, especially in a real combat situation.. to be able to get target data quicker..
the Americans use something called JTIDS.. unless they are pathetic too.. in which case , you can keep your definition of Air combat with yourself.

Use of AWACS means J-10s had all the time in the world to flank the Su 30MK2 without being noticed.......upto such an extent that they won't be able to disengage the Su 30MK2 from a solid lock.......even high quality data feed of the position of flankers would've been available via powerful AESA radars being used onboard the AWACS.......plus high Intensity ECM to literally jam the electronics on Su 30MK2.......yet they fail to lock 11 times and finally get a good lock on 12th attempt as mentioned by some Chinese boys and ''Papu'' who ever he is.......just wondering the case when the opponent would have AWACS killer AAMs and proper electronic onboard with AWACS support......what would J-10 jockeys would do......I guess Its not hard to understand that with even pea sized brain.

How do you know the Viet flanker is downgraded vs the Chinese Flanker.. and the pilot was a newbie??
Do you have intel sources or something?? Blog??.. Dr Kopp maybe??
You arent opinionated.. you are biased.. and that bias is making some really weird claims here.

Russians don't sell high quality equipment to 3rd world countries and Its easy to understand why......
......The Su 30Mk2 are new to Vietnamese Airforce and I don't think that they even manage 50-80 hours/annum on them thanks to their economic conditions.......where as a flanker jockey without 1000+ hours on the bird with atleast 150-200 hours/ammun is called a newbie......they aren't F-16......that even lesser training would do.
Source??go through all the posts in this thread and ''Papu'' who ever that guy is....
And again we have Copp for the 3rd time............why don't you read his works on J-10.....and Chinese radar and SAM systems.......or wait I'll personally mail him to write an article on JF-17......

 

[DARKY]

Exactly, the OP mentions that the locks were continuous, so by that you can interpret that it was locked on a dozen different occasions, rather than broken 11 times.

Whe whole news by this guy PAPU is utter BS.............if english is the language what I read here.....