Vietnam SU-30 locked by J-10, 10 times

[S10]

The same very sentence is being used idiotically to claim that J-10's superiority over Su 30MK2 by some Chinese boys.......what makes it even funnier is that the same Su 30MK2 is the best available combat plane in the PLAAF.......and on top of that the confidence part.

The original wording is “连续”，contineous lock. As far as the claim that Su-30MK2 is the best available in PLAAF, LOL! PLAAF doesn't even operate them and they are certainly NOT the best.

Use of AWACS means J-10s had all the time in the world to flank the Su 30MK2 without being noticed.......upto such an extent that they won't be able to disengage the Su 30MK2 from a solid lock.......even high quality data feed of the position of flankers would've been available via powerful AESA radars being used onboard the AWACS.......plus high Intensity ECM to literally jam the electronics on Su 30MK2.......yet they fail to lock 11 times and finally get a good lock on 12th attempt as mentioned by some Chinese boys and ''Papu'' who ever he is.......just wondering the case when the opponent would have AWACS killer AAMs and proper electronic onboard with AWACS support......what would J-10 jockeys would do......I guess Its not hard to understand that with even pea sized brain.

First of all, the lock on was contineous. Second, the Vietnamese Su-30s were jammed throughout. I wonder how they're planning to locate our AWACS, let alone shoot it down when they're completely blinded by our electronic countermeasure suites. Pull out their pistols and shoot?

Russians don't sell high quality equipment to 3rd world countries and Its easy to understand why......
......The Su 30Mk2 are new to Vietnamese Airforce and I don't think that they even manage 50-80 hours/annum on them thanks to their economic conditions.......where as a flanker jockey without 1000+ hours on the bird with atleast 150-200 hours/ammun is called a newbie......they aren't F-16......that even lesser training would do.
Source??go through all the posts in this thread and ''Papu'' who ever that guy is....
And again we have Copp for the 3rd time............why don't you read his works on J-10.....and Chinese radar and SAM systems.......or wait I'll personally mail him to write an article on JF-17......

The air division that operates Vietnamese Su-30's are the best air division in Vietnamese air force. If they're being outmatched easily, then they're not exactly a challenge to China.

I've already mentioned who pupu is in other threads, so don't feel like explaining it again.

 

[DARKY]

The original wording is “连续”，contineous lock.

So how could they lock 12 times if it was locked continuesly..........does the J-10 use some alien technology that makes then lock an object which is already locked.

As far as the claim that Su-30MK2 is the best available in PLAAF, LOL! PLAAF doesn't even operate them and they are certainly NOT the best.

......are you from China or some false flagger
TemplateLAAF Aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
look in the fighter section......and what is the best then a RE copy??

First of all, the lock on was contineous. Second, the Vietnamese Su-30s were jammed throughout. I wonder how they're planning to locate our AWACS, let alone shoot it down when they're completely blinded by our electronic countermeasure suites. Pull out their pistols and shoot?

There are some thing called Radar Warning Receiver........but who am I explaining

The air division that operates Vietnamese Su-30's are the best air division in Vietnamese air force. If they're being outmatched easily, then they're not exactly a challenge to China.

I've already mentioned who pupu is in other threads, so don't feel like explaining it again.

If they are not a challenge then why were J-10s with AWACS send to monitor them......your superduper Mig 21 copy or UAV would've done the work.......why waste so much oil, money and time......you guys are really epic.....

 

[S10]

So how could they lock 12 times if it was locked continuesly..........does the J-10 use some alien technology that makes then lock an object which is already locked.

Locked 12 times? I don't see that number anywhere in the original text. Did your Indian mind invent that?

......are you from China or some false flagger
TemplateLAAF Aircraft - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
look in the fighter section......and what is the best then a RE copy??

Well most Indians are ignorant enough not to know that PLAAF does not operate Su-30s. All Su-30's belong to PLAN, and depending on wikipedia shows that ignorance. The Su-30 used by naval aviation has one role and one role only, maritime strike. They're quite clumbersome in air combat as their frames were reinforced to provide for extra payload.

There are some thing called Radar Warning Receiver........but who am I explaining

Are you implying Vietnamese can achieve target lock through RWR? That's a first.

If they are not a challenge then why were J-10s with AWACS send to monitor them......your superduper Mig 21 copy or UAV would've done the work.......why waste so much oil, money and time......you guys are really epic.....

Was Iraqi or Serbian airforce challenges for NATO? Why did NATO waste all that AWACS and EW aircraft on them? But hey, enjoy that Indian mind of yours.

 

[SQ8]

The same very sentence is being used idiotically to claim that J-10's superiority over Su 30MK2 by some Chinese boys.......what makes it even funnier is that the same Su 30MK2 is the best available combat plane in the PLAAF.......and on top of that the confidence part.

Perharps it is better.. perhaps it isnt?..
You are shooting tangents.. I just want to know how you can tell about the engagement just by that sentence?

Use of AWACS means J-10s had all the time in the world to flank the Su 30MK2 without being noticed.......upto such an extent that they won't be able to disengage the Su 30MK2 from a solid lock.......even high quality data feed of the position of flankers would've been available via powerful AESA radars being used onboard the AWACS.......plus high Intensity ECM to literally jam the electronics on Su 30MK2.......yet they fail to lock 11 times and finally get a good lock on 12th attempt as mentioned by some Chinese boys and ''Papu'' who ever he is.......just wondering the case when the opponent would have AWACS killer AAMs and proper electronic onboard with AWACS support......what would J-10 jockeys would do......I guess Its not hard to understand that with even pea sized brain.

How do you know about the Lock ten times??
How can you tell the engagement.... that a no brainier.. a pea brain could wouldn't have made your statement in the first place.


Russians don't sell high quality equipment to 3rd world countries and Its easy to understand why......
......The Su 30Mk2 are new to Vietnamese Airforce and I don't think that they even manage 50-80 hours/annum on them thanks to their economic conditions.......where as a flanker jockey without 1000+ hours on the bird with atleast 150-200 hours/ammun is called a newbie......they aren't F-16......that even lesser training would do.
Source??go through all the posts in this thread and ''Papu'' who ever that guy is....
And again we have Copp for the 3rd time............why don't you read his works on J-10.....and Chinese radar and SAM systems.......or wait I'll personally mail him to write an article on JF-17......[/QUOTE]

Pupu's posts... or rather their translation as being presented by Chinese members, still gives less indication of flying hours.. that is just Chinese guys adding onto his posts..
On pupu's posts about the incident.. I see NO indication of Vietnamese flying hours.. etc

And yeah please mail Copp about the JF-17.. he'll probably devise a scenario in which they blow F-35's out of the sky with no loss.

 

[DARKY]

Locked 12 times? I don't see that number anywhere in the original text. Did your Indian mind invent that?

I don't understand why my Indian mind reads the title of the thread as ''Vietnam SU-30 is J-10 lock 10 times''.......I guess I need to learn some Chinese english.....

Well most Indians are ignorant enough not to know that PLAAF does not operate Su-30s. All Su-30's belong to PLAN, and depending on wikipedia shows that ignorance. The Su-30 used by naval aviation has one role and one role only, maritime strike. They're quite clumbersome in air combat as their frames were reinforced to provide for extra payload.

Here again a Chinese source Chinese Military Aircraft - SinoDefence.com
and I can provide scores of such sources.

Are you implying Vietnamese can achieve target lock through RWR? That's a first.

My answers was on your question about detection part......but somehow the Chinese mind got better of you.

Was Iraqi or Serbian airforce challenges for NATO? Why did NATO waste all that AWACS and EW aircraft on them? But hey, enjoy that Indian mind of yours.

Ask the Commanders and USAF pilots......they don't live in fantasy world even an unarmed Mig 21 is a challenge for them........do you know any thing about professionalism......I can understand what they teach out there.

I WASTED MY TIME ON SUCH A LAME THREAD WITH LOADS OF LAME ARGUMENTS BEING PRESENTED TO PROVE SOME BS FROM SOME FANBOY'S MIND.....

 

[DARKY]

Perharps it is better.. perhaps it isnt?..
You are shooting tangents.. I just want to know how you can tell about the engagement just by that sentence?




How do you know about the Lock ten times??
How can you tell the engagement.... that a no brainier.. a pea brain could wouldn't have made your statement in the first place.


Russians don't sell high quality equipment to 3rd world countries and Its easy to understand why......
......The Su 30Mk2 are new to Vietnamese Airforce and I don't think that they even manage 50-80 hours/annum on them thanks to their economic conditions.......where as a flanker jockey without 1000+ hours on the bird with atleast 150-200 hours/ammun is called a newbie......they aren't F-16......that even lesser training would do.
Source??go through all the posts in this thread and ''Papu'' who ever that guy is....
And again we have Copp for the 3rd time............why don't you read his works on J-10.....and Chinese radar and SAM systems.......or wait I'll personally mail him to write an article on JF-17......

Pupu's posts... or rather their translation as being presented by Chinese members, still gives less indication of flying hours.. that is just Chinese guys adding onto his posts..
On pupu's posts about the incident.. I see NO indication of Vietnamese flying hours.. etc

And yeah please mail Copp about the JF-17.. he'll probably devise a scenario in which they blow F-35's out of the sky with no loss.

I guess NOTHING is left to argue on this post..........and it would be a waste of time.......assuming what was the scenario etc with a false or in complete report presented in fanboy style......

And yeah that JF-17 report would really create a havoc here on PDF I guess you won't want spending whole day banning trolls.........(take it as a joke)

 

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I don't understand why my Indian mind reads the title of the thread as ''Vietnam SU-30 is J-10 lock 10 times''.......I guess I need to learn some Chinese english.....

A bad translation = the original statement was bad? Can you get any lamer?

Here again a Chinese source Chinese Military Aircraft - SinoDefence.com
and I can provide scores of such sources.

Sinodefence lists air weapon systems, thus Su-30 is included into air force section. However, naval aviation and air force are two different branches in China, and the air force (PLAAF) does not operate Su-30. Do you consider USN and USAF to be the same too since USN has F-18s? Is that really hard for Indians to understand?

My answers was on your question about detection part......but somehow the Chinese mind got better of you.

Considering the 14th institute developed our AWACS with LPI in mind, I doubt that would be too much of a concern. Even if they manage to detect they're being locked, how do they plan to lock down targets being jammed?

Ask the Commanders and USAF pilots......they don't live in fantasy world even an unarmed Mig 21 is a challenge for them........do you know any thing about professionalism......I can understand what they teach out there.

I WASTED MY TIME ON SUCH A LAME THREAD WITH LOADS OF LAME ARGUMENTS BEING PRESENTED TO PROVE SOME BS FROM SOME FANBOY'S MIND.....

Iraqis and Serbians put up next to no resistance in the overall scheme of things. Yet, NATO used all the support they had. You utilize whatever assets you have available to widen the advantage gap between you and your enemies. No wonder you lost in 1962 being this ignorant.

 

[SQ8]

I don't understand why my Indian mind reads the title of the thread as ''Vietnam SU-30 is J-10 lock 10 times''.......I guess I need to learn some Chinese english.....

Or perhaps basic English comprehension..
Next time a title comes up with "Su-30MKI fails".. where the posts talk of the tyre failure rates, would you be as passionate about the thread title?

Ask the Commanders and USAF pilots......they don't live in fantasy world even an unarmed Mig 21 is a challenge for them........do you know any thing about professionalism......I can understand what they teach out there.

I WASTED MY TIME ON SUCH A LAME THREAD WITH LOADS OF LAME ARGUMENTS BEING PRESENTED TO PROVE SOME BS FROM SOME FANBOY'S MIND.....

I think you just leave Mil aviation alone.. after all, us poor fanboys cant come close to your 45 yrs experience in the field as an electronics engineering student/ Air force war college grad/ aerospace engineer/ radar and communications expert..
The only thing you lack is humility.. maybe you can find some online sources for that.

 

[DARKY]

A bad translation = the original statement was bad? Can you get any lamer?

Wow you made it.......Now why don't you explain the same thing to others of your type.....that they are jumping on BS.

Sinodefence lists air weapon systems, thus Su-30 is included into air force section. However, naval aviation and air force are two different branches in China, and the air force (PLAAF) does not operate Su-30. Do you consider USN and USAF to be the same too since USN has F-18s? Is that really hard for Indians to understand?

Its written AF....over there even then I take your argument that it is being used by PLAN air wing.....but the jockeys are supposed to be from AF......even then its lot better than J-11s they field as PLAN's decision to buy them in huge numbers clearly points out......and don't bring USN here......they are even stronger than your AF.

Considering the 14th institute developed our AWACS with LPI in mind, I doubt that would be too much of a concern. Even if they manage to detect they're being locked, how do they plan to lock down targets being jammed?

There are Radars thant can't be jammed easily and there are AAMs that can home on jamming but the question is can Vietnamese afford them economically and technically.

Iraqis and Serbians put up next to no resistance in the overall scheme of things. Yet, NATO used all the support they had. You utilize whatever assets you have available to widen the advantage gap between you and your enemies. No wonder you lost in 1962 being this ignorant.

I would advice you to read about GW-I......and get a knowledge on how EW planes of USAF & USN were denied operation in early stages and Yank jocks had a hard time bringing the offenders down.

And here again as usual you resort to trolling......

 

[Zabaniyah]

And here again as usual you resort to trolling......

Me thinks you are the one who's trolling

 

[DARKY]

Or perhaps basic English comprehension..
Next time a title comes up with "Su-30MKI fails".. where the posts talk of the tyre failure rates, would you be as passionate about the thread title?

..................... .......I guess mods are smart enough to not let me get into such a situation

I think you just leave Mil aviation alone.. after all, us poor fanboys cant come close to your 45 yrs experience in the field as an electronics engineering student/ Air force war college grad/ aerospace engineer/ radar and communications expert..
The only thing you lack is humility.. maybe you can find some online sources for that.

Now where does copp comes here........I just said that ''No enemy is weak'' for a professional pilot and I guess PLAAF pilots are taught the same.

 

[DARKY]

Me thinks you are the one who's trolling

Thanks for opening my eyes

 

[SQ8]

Wow you made it.......Now why don't you explain the same thing to others of your type.....that they are jumping on BS.



Its written AF....over there even then I take your argument that it is being used by PLAN air wing.....but the jockeys are supposed to be from AF......even then its lot better than J-11s they field as PLAN's decision to buy them in huge numbers clearly points out......and don't bring USN here......they are even stronger than your AF.



There are Radars thant can't be jammed easily and there are AAMs that can home on jamming but the question is can Vietnamese afford them economically and technically.



I would advice you to read about GW-I......and get a knowledge on how EW planes of USAF & USN were denied operation in early stages and Yank jocks had a hard time bringing the offenders down.

And here again as usual you resort to trolling......

You need to read about GW-I..
Denied operation..??
The early offenders in GW-I found themselves being blown to bits by AMRAAM's and even the old AIM-7.
An F-18 being the only victim of the IqAF in A2A.
The other losses being to AAA and IR sams(with the exception of the F-14 lost to an Sa-2 and a tornado to a french roland among two others whilst not escorted by EW aircraft) .. due to the low level profiles being flown...

Heck EW planes like the F-111 were amongst the first into the fight.. allowing aircraft like the F-15E to operate with impunity
Coalition EW was so effective.. that the Iraqi's resorted to motorcycle riders for dispatches.

now if you are refereeing to early warning and not electronic warfare.. suggest you read tom clancy's fighter wing.. on his personal interviews with those that led and fought GW-I, on how effective E-3's and JSTARS was.

Where do you get your light reading ??

 

[S10]

Wow you made it.......Now why don't you explain the same thing to others of your type.....that they are jumping on BS.

Others already know quite well, except you and few others.

Its written AF....over there even then I take your argument that it is being used by PLAN air wing.....but the jockeys are supposed to be from AF......even then its lot better than J-11s they field as PLAN's decision to buy them in huge numbers clearly points out......and don't bring USN here......they are even stronger than your AF.

Again, you have to show how ignorant you are. J-11s are designed from the beginning for air superiority, therefore the air force operates them. China wanted to enhance its maritime strike capability in the mid 1990's and ordered the Su-30s from Russia. They had a heavier airframe for greater payload, but their air to air capability suffered. They are certainly NOT better than J-11, especially the latest models. Oh and did I mention J-10 massacred Su-30s in recent air exercises? The exchange rate was 5:1.

There are Radars thant can't be jammed easily and there are AAMs that can home on jamming but the question is can Vietnamese afford them economically and technically.

Sure there are things they can improve to even their odds. China probably wouldn't be able to do the same thing had those been American jets. However against Vietnam, we're more than sufficient.

I would advice you to read about GW-I......and get a knowledge on how EW planes of USAF & USN were denied operation in early stages and Yank jocks had a hard time bringing the offenders down.

And here again as usual you resort to trolling......

How many planes did Iraqi and Serbians bring down? Did they have any significant obstacles to NATO operations? They were almost as good as nothing.

 

[DARKY]

You need to read about GW-I..
Denied operation..??
The early offenders in GW-I found themselves being blown to bits by AMRAAM's and even the old AIM-7.
An F-18 being the only victim of the IqAF in A2A.
The other losses being to AAA and IR sams(with the exception of the F-14 lost to an Sa-2 and a tornado to a french roland among two others whilst not escorted by EW aircraft) .. due to the low level profiles being flown...

Heck EW planes like the F-111 were amongst the first into the fight.. allowing aircraft like the F-15E to operate with impunity
Coalition EW was so effective.. that the Iraqi's resorted to motorcycle riders for dispatches.

now if you are refereeing to early warning and not electronic warfare.. suggest you read tom clancy's fighter wing.. on his personal interviews with those that led and fought GW-I, on how effective E-3's and JSTARS was.

Where do you get your light reading ??

There were waves of Iraqi Mig 25 and Mig 23 interceptions that didn't allow USN & USAF.......to use bulky AEW & C planes at closer fronts even F-111 were intercepted and F-15s had to come at rescue.....and about being shot by Aim 7.......there were even incidents of Iraqi planes being maneuvered down to earth by unarmed Yank birds.......which had more to do with poor training and lack of weaponry on part of Iraqi pilots.

Even then I don't see them taking their opponents lightly.