Vietnam premier wants to finish privatizing 289 state-run firms by 2015

[AndrewJin]

美国英国搞私有化，搞到政府光溜溜，资本家大发，中国崛起。若现在再学美国就是没脑。

私有化其实是政治精英侵占国有资产的借口。而精英一转身成资本家后就很可怕。到后来变成成套成套地向国际资本变卖国有资产。

到时全中国变成洋人的打工仔，崛起免谈。

李克强和他的前任只不过是一群想侵占国有资产的代言人罢了，和奥巴马一样，puppy.
这和白手起家的百度之类的企业完全是两个话题。有些人最喜欢混淆这两个话题。

 

[Lux de Veritas]

李克强和他的前任只不过是一群想侵占国有资产的代言人罢了，和奥巴马一样，puppy.
这和白手起家的百度之类的企业完全是两个话题。有些人最喜欢混淆这两个话题。

Is Li Keqiang keen on privatization? Can you cite an article.

 

[AndrewJin]

Is Li Keqiang keen on privatization? I got information on this. Can you cite an article.

国内文章不知道啊。他的那些御用经济学家不就是的？当年他的那些财经系的报纸不就是天天想私有化铁路，搞出个奇葩的广深铁路公司，票价上浮50%，服务最差，速度最差，无语了。

 

[Viet]

It's correct. My wife working for a private bank at that salary level. Enough for our family living and some savings.
We don't have to pay for housing

she gets 1,000$ a month? that is not too bad.

What is going on right now in Vietnam is that there is a lot of foreign investment coming in, business is expanding a lot and there is not enough qualified Viet professionals for high end positions such as managers, etc. Here is Danang most of the English teachers are Americans, British, etc. They make around $2,000 for a typical full time job.

A lot of resorts have opened up here, the managers and key positions are almost all foreigners, there is just not enough qualified Viets for that, it will take a long time for that.

The Viets that are qualified are making very good money and they can take their pick at what company they want to work for.



The electric company will not be privatized.

Steel and cement is mainly private, lots of big foreign companies.

The oil company will sell 49% to a Russian company and they will expand the operation, no problems there. Plenty of oil companies are coming to do oil refineries including a 25 billion project by a Thai company. Russian oil companies are also coming to Vietnam and the Viet oil company is investing in Russia also.



What he is talking about applies to a very specific case which is the big bank / financial companies, mainly in USA and I agree that there is a distortion there of the normal way a private company works, but that doesn't apply to 99% of private companies and is irrelevant to what we are talking here.

In a normal / typical private company there is accountability. Someone owns the company or shares of it and when the CEO, etc messes with their money, off they go. Period.

for the oil refinery, the thai investor wants 30 year income tax exemption and 50% discount on other taxes. really shameless. and the government agrees.

 

[zeronet]

Most China's SOEs are in good shape, and many of them are traded publicly both in domestic and international stock markets. Examples are PetroChina, China Life, China Petroleum, CNOOC, China Mobile, China Telecom, 4 mammoth state-owned banks (BoC, ICBC, CCB, ABC)..... All of them listed above are traded in Shanghai, NYSE and/or SEHK for domestic and international investors, and are cash-generating machine for shareholders. China central government is the majority shareholder for all those companies. If China wants to privatize them, they can sell them with market prices. It is not that complicated, only depends on government's will. Seems it is not the case in Vietnam, where the privatization is more like dumping some liabilities or just robbery of public assets. This time Vietnam may provide China some experience in the process of privatization, which is still highly controversial in China.

 

[Lux de Veritas]

国内文章不知道啊。他的那些御用经济学家不就是的？当年他的那些财经系的报纸不就是天天想私有化铁路，搞出个奇葩的广深铁路公司，票价上浮50%，服务最差，速度最差，无语了。

越南佬要贱卖国家资产，是他们的事。要是中国这么干，Lux 肯定要开口大骂。

中华民族很多人爱国，才顶得住几千年的汉奸和外敌。

Other than defence, energy, mining and telecom and other natural monopoly or strategic asset, stuff like IT, retail is good to be in private hands.

 

[AndrewJin]

越南佬要贱卖国家资产，是他们的事。要是中国这么干，Lux 肯定要开口大骂。

中华民族很多人爱国，才顶得住几千年的汉奸和外敌。

Other than defence, energy, mining and telecom and other natural monopoly or strategic asset, stuff like IT, retail is good to be in private hands.

Lux 你汉语怎么那么好？我接触的新加坡华人都很烂。

 

[Lux de Veritas]

Lux 你汉语怎么那么好？我接触的新加坡华人都很烂。

我古文看得多。 本人从小讲闽南话，后来读佛教小学六年。母亲教中文。

虽然我有大中华主义，不过我对台湾独立也很矛盾。我也有闽南族群意识。

 

[AndrewJin]

我古文看得多。 本人从小讲闽南话，后来读佛教小学六年。母亲教中文。

虽然我有大中华主义，不过我对台湾独立也很矛盾。我也有闽南族群意识。

族群意识和国家意识是不一样的。台湾已经不可能和平得统一了。

 

[Carlosa]

for the oil refinery, the thai investor wants 30 year income tax exemption and 50% discount on other taxes. really shameless. and the government agrees.

Yes, that's a bit too much.

 

[Viet]

Yes, that's a bit too much.

yes, but otherwise they go elsewhere. it is like on a baazar. who offers the most?

 

[Carlosa]

yes, but otherwise they go elsewhere. it is like on a baazar. who offers the most?

Yes, at this point, Vietnam can't get too choosy. The project still has many benefits for Vietnam.

 

[Viet]

Yes, at this point, Vietnam can't get too choosy. The project still has many benefits for Vietnam.

yes, the refinery will create jobs for our people, our local companies, generating incomes, paying taxes. last but not least, reducing our current import of costly refired oil products. 400,000 barrels a day is a huge amount.

 

[rcrmj]

你根本不了解政治啊。李克强。。。笑死人了。
还有你动不动就红卫兵什么的，就这种素质？
你根本就不了解铁路、能源之类的战略部门，我有说过不支持阿里巴巴这些民营企业吗？
这里一堆在民营企业工作的金领，这和支持保持核心战略部门的国有化有矛盾吗？

又讲核心··你再扯吧，谁跟你扯核心了？先提高提高阅读理解能力，再在社会上多混混
然后再找出我哪年哪月说要把核心领域私营化再来扯也不迟···别动不动这个金领那个金领的，笑死人的

 

[AndrewJin]

又讲核心··你再扯吧，谁跟你扯核心了？先提高提高阅读理解能力，再在社会上多混混
然后再找出我哪年哪月说要把核心领域私营化再来扯也不迟···别动不动这个金领那个金领的，笑死人的

那你和我们吵什么？根本没在说一个话题。李克强根本就是个puppy。
你说话素质真心很差，生活中肯定是个loser