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[terranMarine]

So what was Viet saying again? Japan was never part of the tributary system? Vietnamese teaching history has always been a joke

 

[Viet]

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So what was Viet saying again? Japan was never part of the tributary system? Vietnamese teaching history has always been a joke

The article you posted stated clearly what I say previously: Japan had never been an official part of the tributary system with China as central kingdom. Japan sent envoys to China as part of diplomatic relation. But it was not rooted in a demand from China. How can it be that Japan only sent 20 missions to the Ming court if it was a part of tribute system? 20? When Vietnam sent 1,000.

First, if Vietnam would do the same, with little or refusing paying tribute as stated in the treaty we signed with our neighbor, China would see it as a grave provocation, yes even a reason for going to war. It is not that Vietnam can choose how often we go to Nanjing. Do you think Vietnam has a choice? The Han invasion, the confrontation with the Song, the Ming military campaign against Vietnam, the Qing invasion. Would China do the same with Japan?

Last, it is clearly evidenced when the French in the 19 century ultimately demanded China to quit its relationship and tribute system to Vietnam, China was unwilling to do and saw the French demand as an act of war.

I think we slowly go off-topic.

 

[terranMarine]

Twisting words doesn't mean your explanation is accepted end of discussion. Wikipedia and published books clearly indicated Japan was.

 

[Viet]

Twisting words doesn't mean your explanation is accepted end of discussion. Wikipedia and published books clearly indicated Japan was.

When the US warships entered the harbors of Japan, forcing the country to open the market for trades, why China had not intervened? ok, we can let the Japanese to decide whether they had been a part of tribute system or not and we end the discussion. Actually it's an academic discussion, the people of Vietnam don't care such a thing.

a picture of Emperor Akihito and Empress Michiko inside the royal theatre at the former imperial citadel in Hue,Vietnam on Saturday.

 

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You debate like a silly kid, grow up. No wonder i consider you as some primitive baboon because you don't speak human language. I presented literature, facts, source. What have you presented? Your own opinion .... obviously you care too much and lick too much Japanese balls that you begin to worship them like a God. Well this God is now chained by the US and the Japs are now paying tribute to the Americans. Oh wait nobody ever said the Japs did that lol

You present here nothing except wiki that can be manipulated by everyone and a paper by unknown author. Even that paper says nothing about the status of Japan whether it had ever signed a treaty with China, participating tribute system. Oh yes in addition what you are especially good at: you spew insult and nonsense if running out of argument. As usual.

Unless you can post here original a Japanese source, or a paper of Chinese imperial court, my statement stands.

It is your language that reveals your primitivism.

I despise people like you.

 

[Viet]

Return with military news

Vietnam is reportedly successful in making a domestic version of ignition device for gas engine of X-29 supersonic antiship missile. Range 30 km. The 320 kg missile warhead can sink a 10,000 ton destroyer with a single hit.

Every Kilo attack submarine can carry 18 Torpedo with a range of 20 km.

 

[Viet]

BMP-1 light tank with antitank missile 9M14 Malyutka

Armor transporter ATC-59G

The two new Gepard frigates will carry 2x2 torpedo tubes against enemy submarines.

Test firing new domestic made RPG

Molynia corvettes with antiship missiles with range increased from 130 km to 200 km.

 

[terranMarine]

You present here nothing except wiki that can be manipulated by everyone and a paper by unknown author. Even that paper says nothing about the status of Japan whether it had ever signed a treaty with China, participating tribute system. Oh yes in addition what you are especially good at: you spew insult and nonsense if running out of argument. As usual.

Unless you can post here original a Japanese source, or a paper of Chinese imperial court, my statement stands.

It is your language that reveals your primitivism.

I despise people like you.

Your statement stands nothing other than a a piece of garbage opinion. Original source from Japanese or Chinese Imperial Court? is this a f*cking joke? Is there original documentation from Chinese court that Korea, Vietnam and other countries who paid tribute? Yet you accept that fact.

I used published books as source not just wikipedia and you? You've got nothing but a stinky big mouth nobody takes you serious over the proofs i have presented here childish Viet.

Here's another one

Disgusting Overseas Viet like you holds no respect by others.

 

[Viet]

Your statement stands nothing other than a a piece of garbage opinion. Original source from Japanese or Chinese Imperial Court? is this a f*cking joke? Is there original documentation from Chinese court that Korea, Vietnam and other countries who paid tribute? Yet you accept that fact.

I used published books as source not just wikipedia and you? You've got nothing but a stinky big mouth nobody takes you serious over the proofs i have presented here childish Viet.

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Disgusting Overseas Viet like you holds no respect by others.

you should know I am immune again little clown like you who runs amok. It is you who has little respect for others. It is you who likens our people to certain animal in jungle. Mind your language. It bores me a lot when you again and again argue where I live to nullify my arguments. Have I ever tried to do the same to you? No. I don't lower myself, not copying your bad behavior.

Of course there are records of Chinese imperial courts over the contacts to other nations. When the Nguyen ascended to power, it sent envoy to China, negotiating of everything, from paying tribute in what form how many times in which period, yes, even in the country name of Vietnam. When the French took control over Vietnam, and China lost the war against France, it had accepted French supremacy over Vietnam, releasing Vietnam out of tribute system in the treaty of Hue.

I am pretty sure, similar records at Chinese and Japanese imperial courts must exist should Japan have ever become an official part of tributary system. What's wrong if I asked for?

 

[Viet]

a man with two roles: Hwang Kyo-ahn, as Prime Minister of the South Korea and since Park Geun-hye was removed from power, he serves as President, too. Interesting combination. Hwang may hope, because Vietnam maintains a good relationship to North Korea, Vietnam diplomats can talk and bring North Korea back to negotiation table. But I´m afraid it is too late.

because the demand is high, I post more pictures of the historic visit of Japanese emperor and empress to Vietnam. if there is anyone, who feels uncomfortable by some reasons, please feel free and close the eyes.

 

[Carlosa]

Vietnam, Myanmar enhance defence collaboration

Senior defence officials of Vietnam and Myanmar have agreed to continue bolstering defence cooperation between the two countries and making it deeper, more effective and practical in the future.

Defence Minister Ngo Xuan Lich (R) and Commander-in-Chief of the Myanmar Armed Forces Min Aung Hlaign

The agreement was reached during talks in Hanoi on March 6 between Defence Minister Ngo Xuan Lich and Commander-in-Chief of the Myanmar Armed Forces Min Aung Hlaign, who is on a four-day visit to Vietnam from March 5 at the invitation of the Vietnamese Defence Minister.

At the talks, the two sides briefed each other on political, socio-economic and defence-security situation in each country, and shared experience in building the armed forces.

Noting that defence cooperation between the two countries over the past years has become one of key pillars in partnership between Vietnam and Myanmar, the officials discussed the orientations and contents for cooperation in 2017 and beyond.

On the foundation of the defence collaboration agreement signed in 2011, the two armies have implemented various cooperation activities such as exchanging of delegations at all levels, holding exchanges for young officers, organising Vietnamese and Myanmar language training, and partnering in the fight against illegal migration and smuggling.

They have also actively consulting and supporting each other at multilateral forums, contributing to strengthening the Vietnam-Myanmar ties in an effective and practical manner, thus bolstering the traditional friendship between the armies and peoples of both countries, making the ties more effective, benefiting people of both sides.

The same day, the military-run Viettel Global Investment JSC and Myanmar’s Telecommunication Joint Venture MYTEL signed a contract on technology and management assistance.

VNA

 

[Viet]

Some military pictures

Amphibious tanks

Rifles and machine guns manufactured by z111 factory

Galil rifles 31/32

12.7mm sniper rifle

 

[Viet]

US Navy Begins High-End Exercise With Japan, HADR Drill With Vietnam, Sri Lanka, Malaysia
By: Megan Eckstein
March 6, 2017 2:01 PM

The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyers USS Mustin (DDG 89), USS McCampbell (DDG 85), and USS Barry (DDG 52) maneuver near the USS Stethem (DDG 63) during a surface exercise in waters south of Japan on Feb. 27, 2017. The destroyers eventually sailed to Guam to participate in the Multisail 2017 exercise with Japanese forces. US Navy photo.


The U.S. Navy and Japan Maritime Self-Defense Force began their annual bilateral training Multisail exercise today, which will this year include at-sea training hosted by the Naval Surface and Mine Warfighting Development Center.

Multisail 2017, taking place in and around Guam, includes six U.S. Navy ships, two JMSDF ships and other subsurface and other special units, according to a Navy news release. Among the U.S. forces participating are the Arleigh Burke-class destroyers USS Stethem (DDG-63), USS Barry(DDG-52), USS Mustin (DDG-89), USS Fitzgerald (DDG-62) and USS McCampbell (DDG-85).

The training exercise focuses on “detecting, locating, tracking, and engaging units at sea, in the air, on land, and underwater in response to a range of mission areas.” Those mission areas range from maritime security operations to anti-submarine and air defense exercises, according to the news release.

Lessons learned from this exercise will help the Navy and JMSDF develop regional capabilities to defend their interests and those of their allies, the Navy stated.

Elsewhere in the Pacific, the Navy is conducting its 12th Pacific Partnership mission, which began March 1. This operation selects a couple countries – this year Sri Lanka, Malaysia and Vietnam – to train for humanitarian assistance and disaster response missions.

Medical, dental, civil-engineering and veterinary teams – from the U.S., United Kingdom, Australia, Japan and South Korea, embarked aboard expeditionary fast transport USNS Fall River (T-EPF-4) – will partner with the host nations to conduct civic-action projects, community health exchanges, medical symposiums and humanitarian and disaster relief (HADR) drills.

“Pacific Partnership is helping improve disaster response readiness for more than a decade in dozens of nations,” Rear Adm. Don Gabrielson, commander of Task Force 73 and executive agent for Pacific Partnership 17, said in a Navy news release. “

“Disasters threaten us all – they ignore borders, and they disregard national sovereignty. The Indo-Asia-Pacific region averages two large disasters each year, and Pacific Partnership has been a key enabler behind many countries being more prepared today. When the distress call comes, the life-savers know who to call and what to do next because Pacific Partnership helps prepare us to manage the unthinkable.”

The news release notes that about two major HADR events occur in the Pacific each year and that exercises like Pacific Partnership help create a smoother response by creating relationships and experience in coordinating response efforts.

Of note, this will be the first time in the exercise’s 12-year history that the Navy will visit Sri Lanka or any other South Asian nation. Fall River will also be in Vietnam on the 22nd anniversary of the normalization of diplomatic relations between the United States and Vietnam and is meant to highlight the deepening relationship between the two nations.

 

[Viet]

Opinion

How Playboy Explains Vietnam


Dan Mouer in Vietnam in 1966. The magazine was sent by his wife, along with a batch of chocolate chip cookies.

FEBRUARY 28, 2017
Vietnam '67
By AMBER BATURA

There’s a famous scene about halfway through “Apocalypse Now” in which Martin Sheen’s river boat pulls into a supply base, deep in the jungle. While the crew members are buying diesel fuel, the supply clerk gives them free tickets to a show — “You know,” he says, “the bunnies.” Soon they’re sitting in an improvised amphitheater around a landing pad, watching as three Playboy models hop out of a helicopter and dance to “Suzie Q.”

The scene is entirely fictional; Playboy models almost never toured Vietnam, and certainly not in groups. But if the women were never there themselves in force, the magazine itself certainly was. In fact, it’s hard to overstate how profound a role Playboy played among the millions of American soldiers and civilians stationed in Vietnam throughout the war: as entertainment, yes, but more important as news and, through its extensive letters section, as a sounding board and confessional.

Playboy’s value extended beyond the individual soldier to the military at large; the publication became a coveted and useful morale booster, at times rivaling even the longed-for letter from home. Playboy branded the war because of its unique combination of women, gadgets, and social and political commentary, making it a surprising legacy of our involvement in Vietnam. By 1967, Ward Just of The Washington Post claimed, “If World War II was a war of Stars and Stripes and Betty Grable, the war in Vietnam is Playboy magazine’s war.”

The most famous feature of the magazine was the centerfold Playmate. The magazine’s creator and editor, Hugh Hefner, had a specific image in mind for the women he portrayed. The Playmate, originally introduced as the Sweetheart of the Month, represented the ultimate companion to the Playboy. She enjoyed art, politics and music. She was sophisticated, fun and intelligent. Even more important, this ideal woman enjoyed sex as much as the ideal man described in the publication. She wasn’t after men for marriage, but for mutual pleasure and companionship.

Though following in their legacy, the Playmate models differed from the pinups of World War II. Hefner wanted images of real women their readers might see in their everyday life — a classmate, secretary or neighbor — instead of the highly stylized and often famous women of an older generation. The sexualized, yet familiar, “girl next door” was the perfect accompaniment for soldiers stationed in Vietnam. This conception of wholesome, all-American beauty and sexuality acted out by largely unknown models reminded young soldiers of the women they left behind, and for whom they were fighting — and could, if they survived, imagine returning to.

The centerfold and other visual features in the magazine served another, unintentional purpose for American troops in Vietnam. Playboy’s pictures and often-ribald cartoons conveyed changing social and sexual norms back home. The introduction of women of color in 1964 with China Lee and in 1965 with Jennifer Jackson reflected shifting attitudes regarding race. Many soldiers wrote to both the magazine and the Playmates thanking them for their inclusion in Playboy. Black soldiers, in particular, felt that the inclusion of Ms. Jackson extended the promise of Mr. Hefner’s good life to them. Viewing these images forced all Americans to rethink their definitions of beauty.

Over time, the centerfolds pushed the boundaries of social norms and legal definitions as they featured more nudity, with the inclusion of pubic hair in 1969 and full-frontal nudity in 1972. The Washington Post reported that American prisoners of war were “taken aback” by the nudity in a smuggled Playboy found on their flight home in 1973. The nudity, sexuality and diversity portrayed in the pictorials represented more permissive attitudes about sex and beauty that the soldiers had missed during their years in captivity.

Playboy’s appeal to the G.I. in Vietnam extended beyond the centerfold. The men really did read it for the articles. The magazine provided regular features, editorials, columns and ads that focused on men’s lifestyle and entertainment, including high fashion, foreign travel, modern architecture, the latest technology and luxury cars. The publication set itself up as a how-to guide for those men hoping to achieve Mr. Hefner’s vision of the good life, regardless of whether they were in San Diego or Saigon.

For young men serving in Southeast Asia, whose average age was 19, military service often provided them their first access to disposable income. Soldiers turned to the magazine for advice on what gadgets to buy, the best vehicles and the latest fashions — products they could often then buy at one of Vietnam’s enormous on-base exchanges, sprawling shopping centers to rival anything back home.

The magazine’s advice feature, “The Playboy Advisor,” encouraged men to ask questions on all manner of topics, from the best liquor to stock at home to bedroom advice to adjusting to civilian life. Troops found Playboy a useful tool in figuring out their roles in the consumer-oriented landscape they were now able to join because of the mobility and income their military service provided them.



The “Playboy Club” in Chu Lai, Vietnam, in 1969.

THE VIETNAM CENTER AND ARCHIVE, TEXAS TECH UNIVERSITY

The content moved beyond lifestyle and entertainment as the editorial mission of the magazine evolved. By the 1960s, Playboy included hard-hitting features on important social, cultural and political issues confronting the United States, often written by Pulitzer Prize-winning journalists, government and military leaders and top literary figures. The magazine took on topics like feminism, abortion, gay rights, race, economic issues, the counterculture movement and mass incarceration — something soldiers couldn’t get from Stars and Stripes. It offered exhaustive interviews with everyone from Malcolm X to the American Nazi leader George Lincoln Rockwell, exposing young G.I.s to arguments and ideas about race and African-American equality they might not have been introduced to in their hometowns. Service in Vietnam put many soldiers in direct contact with diverse races and cultures, and Playboy presented them new ideas and arguments regarding those social and cultural issues.

As early as 1965, Playboy began running articles about the Vietnam War, with an editorial position that expressed reservations about the escalating conflict. The editors were smart about it, of course: Their stance may have been critical of the president, the administration, the military leaders and the strategy, but they made sure the contributors made every effort to stay supportive of the soldiers. In 1967, troops read the liberal economist John Kenneth Galbraith arguing that “no part of the original justification” for the war “remains intact,” as he dismantled the idea of monolithic Communism and other Cold War justifications for war. But that was different from attacking the troops themselves. In 1971, the journalist David Halberstam wrote in an article for Playboy that “we admired their bravery and their idealism, their courage and dedication in the face of endless problems. We believed that they represented the best of American society.” Troops in Vietnam could turn to Playboy for coverage of their own war without fearing criticism of themselves.

Playboy was also useful as a forum for the men engaged in the fighting. The publication was unique in its number of interactive features. Soldiers wrote into sections like “Dear Playboy” for advice and with reactions to articles. But those correspondents also freely described their wartime experiences and concerns. They often described what they saw as unfair treatment by the military, discussed their difficulty in transitioning back to civilian society or thanked the magazine for helping them through their time in-country. In 1973, one soldier, R. K. Redini of Chicago, wrote to Playboy about his return home. “One of the things that made my Vietnam tour endurable was seeing Playboy every month,” he said. “It sure helped all of us forget our problems — for a little while, anyway. I thank you not only for myself but also for the thousands of other guys who find a lot of pleasure in your magazine.”

In “The Playboy Forum,” another reader-response section, many wrote in addressing specific aspects of Hefner’s lengthy editorial series “The Playboy Philosophy,” including drugs, race and homosexuality in the military. The forum format allowed those who served in Vietnam to reach out not just to other soldiers, but also to the public, providing them a safe space to voice their opinions and criticisms of their service.

“Traditionally, a soldier with a gripe is advised by friends to tell it to the chaplain, take it to the inspector general or write to his congressman,” a soldier wrote. “Now, probably because of letters about military injustice in The Playboy Forum, another court of last resort has been added to the list.”

Playboy magazine’s significance to the soldiers in Vietnam spread far beyond the foldout Playmate. Troops appropriated the magazine’s bunny mascot and the company’s logo, painting it on planes, helicopters and tanks. They incorporated the logo into patches and “playboy” into call signs and unit nicknames. Adopting the symbol of Playboy was a small rebellion to the conformity of military life and a testament to the impact of the magazine on soldiers’ lives and morale.

And the magazine returned the favor. Long after the war ended, it funded documentaries on the war, Agent Orange research and post-traumatic stress disorder studies. It is a commitment that testifies to this enduring relationship between the publication and the soldier, and reveals how the magazine is a surprising legacy of one of America’s longest wars.

 

[Viet]

President of Vietnam to Visit Russia in June
07:56 21.02.2017

© SPUTNIK/ RAMIL SITDIKOV
Russian Upper House Speaker to Visit Vietnam on February 20-22


HANOI (Sputnik) — Vietnamese President Tran Dai Quang will pay official visit to Russia in June, Russian Upper House Speaker Valentina Matvienko said on Tuesday.

"An official visit of the Vietnamese president to Russia will take place in June," Matvienko said.

Matvienko is currently on a two-day visit to Vietnam.