Vietnam Defence Forum

[Viet]

But there is Nothing wrong with communist ideal. the Communist Society – was a free association of completely free men, where no separation between ‘private and common interest’ existed: a society where ‘everyone could give himself a complete education in whatever domain he fancied’

U guys dont like tobe a free man living in freedom ?? u wanna be slave of China-US or ur corrupted leader ??

communism sucks, don´t talk trash.

 

[NiceGuy]

communism sucks, don´t talk trash.

Communism is the idea of a society where people enjoy freedom , peace and fair treament. Thats the truth, u cant demonize it to serve ur own selfish thought

 

[nufix]

But there is Nothing wrong with communist ideal. the Communist Society – was a free association of completely free men, where no separation between ‘private and common interest’ existed: a society where ‘everyone could give himself a complete education in whatever domain he fancied’

U guys dont like tobe a free man living in freedom ?? u wanna be slave of China-US or ur corrupted leader ??

In theory, yes, in reality? no.

Seriously, we have been through communism and totalitarian dictator, we know more than you the difference between living under one-party system and multi-parties system. I am now residing in Germany, in former east Germany state to be precise, an authoritarian communist DDR government controlled almost everything from media to voting right, manipulating vote result, centralized economy, you name it, and you can see the difference between BDR and DDR. That also happened in Indonesia during its communism period 1950s-1966 and also ultra nationalist dictatorial government 1966-1998.

"There´s no separation between private and common interest"

In fact, that system is often misinterpreted to be a ground for a sistematical removal of personal freedom. Under the name of common interest, your basic personal freedom is systematically reduced. But don't worry, you will never realize it until you have a complete democracy.

"a society where ‘everyone could give himself a complete education in whatever domain he fancied’"

Oh, so in the non-Communist utopia lands the people couldn't get a complete education in whatever domain he fancied? Funny yet groundless statement.


U guys dont like tobe a free man living in freedom ?? u wanna be slave of China-US or ur corrupted leader ??

Uhm... let's see, I can choose whatever party I want, I can protest and mock a leader openly, the media is not controlled by government, tell me one communist land that is allowing people to do that.

Well, we have never been in any block during the cold war, we founded the non block organization, we balanced the U.S and Soviet influence in the country, we made our own ideology.

It is true that our leaders are corrupt as ****, but the country is running well, better than Vietnam I can say, as you can see, the top economies in ASEAN (Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Brunei) are all non -Communist country. How can you guarantee that communism will bring the region into a better condition while communists in ASEAN like those in Laos are among the poorest countries in the region?

 

[NiceGuy]

In theory, yes, in reality? no.

Seriously, we have been through communism and totalitarian dictator, we know more than you the difference between living under one-party system and multi-parties system. I am now residing in Germany, in former east Germany state to be precise, an authoritarian communist DDR government controlled almost everything from media to voting right, manipulating vote result, centralized economy, you name it, and you can see the difference between BDR and DDR. That also happened in Indonesia during its communism period 1950s-1966 and also ultra nationalist dictatorial government 1966-1998.

communism could be built only in highly industrialized countries. East Germany after WW 2 was ruled by Soviet union-a country that its industry was not high enough to meet the requirement. So, its not a real communist nations.

Well, we have never been in any block during the cold war, we founded the non block organization, we balanced the U.S and Soviet influence in the country, we made our own ideology.

Because ur country dont have an important location like us or huge oil field like Middle east, thats why No big bad boy wanna invade u. if US wanna did it, ur country would fall within 1 month like Iraq or Lybia coz ur country dont have any kind of powerful weapon to fight back

It is true that our leaders are corrupt as ****, but the country is running well, better than Vietnam I can say, as you can see, the top economies in ASEAN (Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Brunei) are all non -Communist country. How can you guarantee that communism will bring the region into a better condition while communists in ASEAN like those in Laos are among the poorest countries in the region?

Better than VietNam ?? oki time will tell .that'sthe time u must by this plane from us

 

[Minjitta]

Time to expand our power in Asia like in 1979, not time to keep balance, China is too weak and coward, she is not deserve as our worthy opponent

you funny )

 

[nufix]

communism could be built only in highly industrialized countries. East Germany after WW 2 was ruled by Soviet union-a country that its industry was not high enough to meet the requirement. So, its not a real communist nations.

Then speak to me about Vietnam being a true communist nations when Vietnam is more industrialized than the former DDR.

Because ur country dont have an important location, thats why No big bad boy wanna invade u. if US wanna did it, ur country would fall within 1 month like Iraq or Lybia coz ur country dont have any kind of powerful weapon to fight back

I would never again fall into this idiotic debate with you.

Better than VietNam ?? oki time will tell . If we can produce Su-30 then, that'sthe time u must by this plane from us

Then why do you speak so loud far before it happens? Big mouth will not make you or your country look better. We have been producing aircraft far before any country in ASEAN do that, am I making that as an excuse to despise poorer countries in the region? No. Now see the difference between me and you.

As a person of a neighboring country, I hope Vietnam develope its country faster, and then ASEAN will have more voice than it ever had before, as more and more countries in the region become economically strong, not only weapon. I am sure your countrymen understand that the togetherness and fair cooperation between countries in the region will stabilize the region, not through a total domination like in your dream.

 

[NiceGuy]

Then speak to me about Vietnam being a true communist nations when Vietnam is more industrialized than the former DDR.

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We need more time dude, war just have been over in VN for more than 20years. With the help of Russia we will become industrialized nation soon

Then why do you speak so loud far before it happens? Big mouth will not make you or your country look better. We have been producing aircraft far before any country in ASEAN do that, am I making that as an excuse to despise poorer countries in the region? No. Now see the difference between me and you.
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Only Russia and US jet fighter are credible now, ur aircraft is just like China J-20 junk, pls dont talk as if a real good jet fighter.

Lets wait and see if we r allowed to produce Su-30 or not, dont just be so sure that ur country will always be better than mine

As a person of a neighboring country, I hope Vietnam develope its country faster, and then ASEAN will have more voice than it ever had before, as more and more countries in the region become economically strong, not only weapon. I am sure your countrymen understand that the togetherness and fair cooperation between countries in the region will stabilize the region, not through a total domination like in your dream

No, I've never think abt dominating Indonesia

 

[AViet]

It is true that our leaders are corrupt as ****, but the country is running well, better than Vietnam I can say, as you can see, the top economies in ASEAN (Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, and Brunei) are all non -Communist country. How can you guarantee that communism will bring the region into a better condition while communists in ASEAN like those in Laos are among the poorest countries in the region?[/quote]

Communism in Soviet-style was dead, but are democracies in India, the Phillipines, Liberia, Mali, Bangladesh,... any better? They are all mature democracies (Liberia have had US-style government for over 200 years). At least in Soviet-style communism, people was nearly universally educated, well-fed and living in civilized manner.

Every type of governing have its pro- and cons. No type will be absolutely dominating, or inherently good or bad. That the Oriental philosophy. The success depends much on people who control and govern the system.

 

[Minjitta]

Communism is the idea of a society where people enjoy freedom , peace and fair treament. Thats the truth, u cant demonize it to serve ur own selfish thought

The number 1 enemy of communism are materials, and power. When all human on earth get ride of materialism and power hunger then we can talk about communism. so come back around 500 years from now. heee

 

[Soryu]

HQ - 182 Hanoi in deck of Rolldock Sea, prepare to sail to Vietnam.

 

[AViet]

I still remember the pictures of Kabul in 1980s in a Soviet magazine available in Vietnam. The city looked modern, women dressed in Western style with no veil. At that era of communist leader Najibullah in Afghanistan, women were educated, sectarian or tribal conflicts were suppressed. The same can be said for former Muslim Soviet republics in Central Asia and Caucasus.

Now after over 20 years of democracy, in all these countries, religious extremism are rising, barbaric traditions are being restored, women rights are oppressed. What a bleak future for those countries who do not have a huge natural resources like Kazakhstan or Turkmenistan to splurge, like Tadjikistan, Kirgizstan, Uzbekistan and Afghanistan as well.

Sometimes I feel that Soviet-style communism, with all its evils (whether true or exaggerated by Western media) should be the only way for some backward countries to escape from their perpetual religious, sectarian or tribal conflicts to move into modern words.

 

[Soryu]

New recruit soldiers and their smile:

And their "buffet" meal:

 

[visom]

Communism is the idea of a society where people enjoy freedom , peace and fair treament. Thats the truth, u cant demonize it to serve ur own selfish thought

In theory, communism sounds good.

Communism does give equality... as in everyone living in equally poor condition. No country has ever achieved the good side of communism.

 

[vostok]

In theory, communism sounds good.

Communism does give equality... as in everyone living in equally poor condition. No country has ever achieved the good side of communism.

No need to exaggerate . In the Soviet Union , people lived with dignity. Ordinary workers could have a motorboat, country houses . Public schools in the USSR given education at the level of elite private schools of the West. The medicine was all-available and free of charge. Pensioners pensions were not just enough to live , but also to help the children and for grandchildren's gifts .
There was no homeless and unemployed. Apartments were given for free.
Everybody subscribed many magazines - scientific, technical, humorous , it was worth some cents only. People were educated , proud , fun , singing songs at work. Crime was almost not there.
It is difficult to imagine that life. Everything was absolutely , totally different.

 

[Minjitta]

No need to exaggerate . In the Soviet Union , people lived with dignity. Ordinary workers could have a motorboat, country houses . Public schools in the USSR given education at the level of elite private schools of the West. The medicine was all-available and free of charge. Pensioners pensions were not just enough to live , but also to help the children and for grandchildren's gifts .
There was no homeless and unemployed. Apartments were given for free.
Everybody subscribed many magazines - scientific, technical, humorous , it was worth some cents only. People were educated , proud , fun , singing songs at work. Crime was almost not there.
It is difficult to imagine that life. Everything was absolutely , totally different.

Then why Soviet Union fall apart, is it of the West interfer? or people just not motivate to better them self?