Vietnam Defence Forum

[yugocrosrb95]

maybe other viet members can answer, as far as in the news, the Z113 factory produces 7.62 mm NATO standard bullet. why your question? do you think the VPA intends to join the NATO?

Would't be cheaper to produce 5.56 in the long run? And for soldiers to carry more rounds to allow more agressive infrantry combat with less ammo restrictions such as suppression of the enemy.

 

[tbquestion]

Israel is currently showcasing their military hard-wares at an exhibit in Singapore.

Globes English - Israel's defense exports fall but not steeply

Some of the toys such as such "Iron Dome interceptors" for ships should invite VPA 's interest.

Since Vietnam is proficient at producing ammunition, one wonder if it could compete with the like of IMI on a global scale and export small caliber ammo such 5.56 mm.

Globes English - IMI wins Spanish ammunition deal

 

[dichoi]

training with M41 Walker Bulldog.

 

[Aqsuperman]

For NATO standard rounds we do use some like TAR-21 AR , Negev LMG and Galatz SR in the Naval Infantry department , also we do have M60 on our M113 that use 7.62mm NATO and M16 , AR-15 from Civil Defense units . Still , the rest of our army use 7.62 x 39mm round .The reason why we put our faith in our 7.62mm M43 are its readily available and range training . Even our new Galil use it . Changing primary ammunition types is very troublesome , Take Geogria fro example ,, changing the entire system to Nato standard and arsenal just to change them back when war with Russia broke out . It penetration is very good for a country like our and its not like we can jump on and produce the newest type of 5.56mm and it work as planned

 

[Viet]

Israel is currently showcasing their military hard-wares at an exhibit in Singapore.

Globes English - Israel's defense exports fall but not steeply

Some of the toys such as such "Iron Dome interceptors" for ships should invite VPA 's interest.

Since Vietnam is proficient at producing ammunition, one wonder if it could compete with the like of IMI on a global scale and export small caliber ammo such 5.56 mm.

Globes English - IMI wins Spanish ammunition deal

theoretically I think we can deliver ammunitions and small arms for the NATO. but as Spain is a NATO member, so practically unlikely right now, unless the US ends their hatred and lifts arms embargo on Vietnam. pictures of some VN ammunitions and arms factories. there are a lot progresses made in recent years.

 

[Viet]

Would't be cheaper to produce 5.56 in the long run? And for soldiers to carry more rounds to allow more agressive infrantry combat with less ammo restrictions such as suppression of the enemy.

different things: 7.62 mm ammunition for machine gun, calibre 5.56 mm for rifle such as Galil.

 

[Viet]

President Obama to visit Vietnam in May, United States News & Top Stories - The Straits Times

US President Barack Obama welcoming Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung at Sunnylands, California, on Feb 15. PHOTO: REUTERS


RANCHO MIRAGE, California (REUTERS) - US President Barack Obama will visit Vietnam in May during a trip to Asia, a White House official said on Monday (Feb 15).

Mr Obama accepted the invitation by Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung during a meeting at a summit of South-east Asian nations in California.

"The president and Prime Minister Dung discussed the continued strengthening of US-Vietnam relations in 2015, which marked the 20th anniversary of the restoration of diplomatic relations," the official said.

"The leaders noted the importance of the Trans-Pacific Partnership, maritime security, and human rights to advancing bilateral relations," he said.

 

[yugocrosrb95]

different things: 7.62 mm ammunition for machine gun, calibre 5.56 mm for rifle such as Galil.

Aren't Vietnam producing Galil ACE chambering 7.62x39 round?

 

[Viet]

Shipbuilding


I believe, this is the first time ever, the Triyards shipyard in Saigon has received a contract to build an oceanographic research vessel for Taiwan. a major step forward for VN shipbuilding industry. Designed by a dutch company, powered by diesel-electric generators, 67 m, 43 crew, equipped with modern toys, scheduled for delivery in August 2017.

The Motorship | Taiwan commissions oceanographic research vessel

 

[Mokaman]

Aren't Vietnam producing Galil ACE chambering 7.62x39 round?

Why VPA would change for 5.56 when they already have +millions weapons using 7.62, huge ammo stocks and production facilities? It a huge army of 450 000 here, not some small army of 10-20 000 troop. As myself a user of 5.56mm, yes it's very precise and light to carry but it still lack the punch of 7.62 in close quarter combat. I want to see a guy falling down after taking a shot of 7.62 rather than see a guy still walking after a couple 5.56. People fall in love with the firepower and destruction of 7.62. And a few extra kilos weight of 7.62 ammo is not something the infantrymen would complaint much.The replacement Galil Ace 31 and Ace 32 are all 7.62mm. VPA still use the AR15 with the 5.56 mm.

 

[Carlosa]

Why VPA would change for 5.56 when they already have +millions weapons using 7.62, huge ammo stocks and production facilities? It a huge army of 450 000 here, not some small army of 10-20 000 troop. As myself a user of 5.56mm, yes it's very precise and light to carry but it still lack the punch of 7.62 in close quarter combat. I want to see a guy falling down after taking a shot of 7.62 rather than see a guy still walking after a couple 5.56. People fall in love with the firepower and destruction of 7.62. And a few extra kilos weight of 7.62 ammo is not something the infantrymen would complaint much.The replacement Galil Ace 31 and Ace 32 are all 7.62mm. VPA still use the AR15 with the 5.56 mm.

You are right. Some insights about the differences:

First off the NATO round is 7.62 x 51 mm, the 7.62 x 54 is Russian.

The supposed advantage of carrying twice as much 5.56 ammunition seems to be outweighed by the tendency to spray on full auto, instead of well placed shots. I know there are times when that is what is called for, especially when surprised at closer ranges, street fighting, ambushes etc. But overall, the tendency to adopt such small calibers seems like a poor substitute for good training and marksmanship if you have the time to develop it.

Having a rifle light and fast shooting for the semi-trained masses, may not be the best choice for a smaller cadre of professional soldiers. As an historical example, the peacetime British Army before WWI had as basic rifle qualification, the ability to hit a target ten to fifteen times in a minute at 900 yards, with iron sights, and 10 rounds on target in 30 seconds at 600 yards. The Germans thought they were coming under long range machine gun fire when they first encountered the Lee Enfield at Mons. Not everyone aspires to that performance, but myself I would rather not be caught dead armed with a 5.56mm rifle in some tactical situations.

1. greater range - I would put my money on a good shooter with a FAL at >600 yards, over two guys armed with AR-15s.

2. windage - in a modest cross-wind, load up some tracer and see what happens to your 5.56mm bullets on full auto vs 7.62.

3. bush light cover - even at the shorter ranges, lighter faster bullets will be deflected by twigs, whereas the 7.62 can go through the bole of 4-6" diameter softwood trees.

4. hitting power - Supposedly the tendency of the 5.56 to tumble on impact equalizes this somewhat, but I would not count on wounding enemy soldiers to tie down adversaries in battle conditions. Numerous stories of assailants with six 5.56 wounds still standing. One hit from a 7.62 in the center of mass or even a limb, and that man is down. They don't even allow .22 caliber arms for hunting for that reason, its considered 'inhumane'.

5. Flak vests, light composite armors - substantially reduce the impacts from light bullets at ranges that would not stop a 7.62.

Complaints were also registered from the combat troops forced to used the M16, who averred that presuming they could get the rifle to work at all, two and three hits were required to drop one enemy soldier, whereas a single hit from a 7.62 NATO round dropped an enemy every time. The dispute continues today.

Regardless of the M14 having disadvantages in jungle warfare, 7.62×51mm NATO rifles stayed in military service around the world due to several factors. The 7.62×51mm NATO has proved much more effective than 5.56×45mm at long ranges, and has since found popularity as a sniping round.

 

[Viet]

Russian Helicopters plans first repairs of military helicopters in Vietnam

2016/02/16
Russian Helicopters Press Release

Russia Mi-8 / Mi-17 Helicopter



Russian Helicopters, part of State Corporation Rostec, continues to develop cooperation with Vietnam in the field of helicopter maintenance and repairs. The company is reviewing options to conduct the Mi-8/17 military helicopters repairs at the joint Russo-Vietnamese venture HELITECHO.

Plans to develop an after-sales system for Russian-made military helicopters in Vietnam were addressed during the 17th conference of the Vietnam-Russia Intergovernmental Committee for Military Technical Cooperation, which was held late in 2015.

Now, Russian Helicopters will perform a scheduled technical audit of the joint Russo-Vietnamese repair venture HELITECHO to check its compliance with requirements to perform maintenance and repairs of the Mi-8/17 helicopters.

“In case of a positive result, the repairs of Russian-made civil helicopters in Vietnam will be continued,” said Igor Chechikov, Russian Helicopter’s deputy CEO for aftersales service. “In addition, as part of our partnership, we will consider the possibility to organize repairs of the Mi-8/17 military helicopters operated by the Ministry of Defense of Vietnam at HELITECHCO. It would involve reequipping the enterprise and additional training of specialists.”

Russo-Vietnamese helicopter repairing company HELITECHCO was founded in 1994. Since then the company has repaired more than 80 civil helicopters belonging to government and commercial operators in Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, India, Australia and New Zealand. Today, HELITECHCO is the only aviation repairing company in Southeast Asia supervised by the builder of the legendary Mi- series, Mil Moscow Helicopter Plant, a subsidiary of Russian Helicopters.

In addition to cooperation in repairs of military helicopters, the Ministry of Defense of Vietnam showed interest in Ansat helicopters for training purposes. As part of the bilateral dialogue, HELITECHCO is planning to participate in the Singapore Airshow 2016, February 16 to 21.

HELITECHCO will be featured at the Russian Helicopters pavilion and will perform joint cobranding actions as part of the expo.




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Southern Vietnam border defense force receives modern patrol boat


Tuoi Tre News
Updated : 02/17/2016 10:22 GMT + 7

BP 20 19-01 returning to shore after a test run at sea



A modern blue-water patrol and rescue boat was handed over on Tuesday by the Ministry of Defense to the Border Command of Kien Giang, a province in the Mekong Delta region of southern Vietnam.

The ceremony took place at Phao Dai Border Post in the town of Ha Tien, Kien Giang, the westernmost region of southern Vietnam bordering Cambodia to the west and the Gulf of Thailand to the southwest.

The boat, code-named BP 20 19-01, is said to be the most modern of its kind to be given to the Border Command of Kien Giang and carries a high-velocity water canon designed for firefighting operations or the protection of Vietnamese waters against foreign trespassers.

The boat started to be built in 2012 in the northern province of Hai Phong along with a batch of similar patrol boats.

The boat, which is 30m long and 6.7m wide, has a surface height of 3.6m, a waterline of 2m and maximum displacement of 160 tons, is made of hardened steel and boasts a total power of 3,822HP.

The vessel is equipped with an electronic-hydraulic maneuvering system with the option of manual or automatic maneuvering, together with state-of-the-art technology including depth sounders, tachometers, a satellite positioning system, a weather map receiver, and an automatic fire alarm.

A firefighting system using carbon dioxide as well as an emergency room are also integrated into the boat’s design. BP 20 19-01 can operate in big waves reaching level 8 and can simultaneously carry out rescue missions for multiple ships in distress.

Alongside maritime rescue operations, the advanced vessel can also cooperate with other forces in protecting Vietnam’s national sovereignty at sea.

 

[cnleio]

training with M41 Walker Bulldog.

So many M41 light tanks .... still serving in VPA ???

 

[yugocrosrb95]

Why VPA would change for 5.56 when they already have +millions weapons using 7.62, huge ammo stocks and production facilities? It a huge army of 450 000 here, not some small army of 10-20 000 troop. As myself a user of 5.56mm, yes it's very precise and light to carry but it still lack the punch of 7.62 in close quarter combat. I want to see a guy falling down after taking a shot of 7.62 rather than see a guy still walking after a couple 5.56. People fall in love with the firepower and destruction of 7.62. And a few extra kilos weight of 7.62 ammo is not something the infantrymen would complaint much.The replacement Galil Ace 31 and Ace 32 are all 7.62mm. VPA still use the AR15 with the 5.56 mm.

Oh... Excuses... Blame 5.56 for your incompetence and ignore latest 5.56 variant which has equal penetrating and killing power of 7.62x39, go get yourself killed when your 7.62x39 fails to penetrate body armor of chinese soldier while m855A1 would go through due to more focused impact energy.

So many M41 light tanks .... still serving in VPA ???

You are still using your own variants of T-54/T-55, anyway...

M41 is still useful, at least against infrantry and any armor that isn't a tank.

In Yugoslav wars, T-34's were used for infrantry support and even in Syrian civil war it is used for that.

 

[cnleio]

You are still using your own variants of T-54/T-55, anyway...

M41 is still useful, at least against infrantry and any armor that isn't a tank.

In Yugoslav wars, T-34's were used for infrantry support and even in Syrian civil war it is used for that.

1. M41's 25mm steel armor weaker than Type59's 100~120mm armor design
2. Today PLA doesn't have many Type59 tanks, most r ZTZ96/99/99A MBT ... few type59 saving for normal training.
3. Today most 12.7mm machine-gun with armour-piercing rounds can shoot through the 25mm steel armor, not alone ATGM etc ... not useful to against modern infrantry, or u just think U.S/Russia/China soldiers also using as poor as weapons made 40 years ago like other ?