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Interesting: Ba Son Shipyard capacity will be enlarged and expanded. I bet the next generations of capital warships such as sigma class and others will be built here.
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I think you are right, that makes a lot of sense.

I know there is one ship under development and I imagine they will start construction right after they finished with the Molniyas.
 
I think you are right, that makes a lot of sense.

I know there is one ship under development and I imagine they will start construction right after they finished with the Molniyas.
do you know of what type of ship is under development?
 
do you know of what type of ship is under development?

Not really, I only know that is bigger than Molniya class, probably a larger corvette, maybe with a helo deck, but smaller than a light frigate like Gepard / Sigma. I very much would like to know the details bro.

By the way, we never heard again of @Alvin Edward He does know.

Are you there Alvin? Please trow some info to us mate, we'd love to hear from you.
 
Yea, refurb and weapons ( mainly Taiwan domestic system) all included. It was $175 million without the refurb and upgrade.



Those new ships are expensive. For the price of two OHP class, you can't even buy one Sigma or Ichaeon Class corvette.

Plus, these OHP class are already in stock, ready for refurb and transfer.

Hmm, in my mind, it's like this:

If we need long range and great endurance patrol ship: DN-2000 series or even en-large version DN-4000
If we need good speed and medium-short range: TT400 series.
If we need powerful arsenal, so FAC like Molnya or new series with more "stealth" elements.

And we need light-medium class frigate with stealth shape, good radar, good CMS, good data-link for command and control role, detect enemy ship and manage, control team - formation, and guide missiles to enemy's ship.

So we have SIGMA 9814, and I hope we eye for Project 11356M or Project 22356 , they're good armed and good radar, but maybe more long time to wait since those two project are still not commission and not mature enough.

So best hope we (I) can go: Korean or (and) Dutch.
Both have cooperate with Vietnamese shipyards and great ship-building industry, and likely easy to transfer tech to their partner.
They have good method and processes to manage system has more efficient (project KDX-III cost only ~ $900m), plus our cheap-labor cost, that will save much money for us, but still has more technologies and modern vessels.
 
Hmm, in my mind, it's like this:

If we need long range and great endurance patrol ship: DN-2000 series or even en-large version DN-4000
If we need good speed and medium-short range: TT400 series.
If we need powerful arsenal, so FAC like Molnya or new series with more "stealth" elements.

And we need light-medium class frigate with stealth shape, good radar, good CMS, good data-link for command and control role, detect enemy ship and manage, control team - formation, and guide missiles to enemy's ship.

So we have SIGMA 9814, and I hope we eye for Project 11356M or Project 22356 , they're good armed and good radar, but maybe more long time to wait since those two project are still not commission and not mature enough.

So best hope we (I) can go: Korean or (and) Dutch.
Both have cooperate with Vietnamese shipyards and great ship-building industry, and likely easy to transfer tech to their partner.
They have good method and processes to manage system has more efficient (project KDX-III cost only ~ $900m), plus our cheap-labor cost, that will save much money for us, but still has more technologies and modern vessels.

As heavy frigates go, I also like the Project 11356, that thing is a beast, but I would get it with Israeli or French radar and Barak 8 missiles which are much better than Shtil. The Russians are now offering their frigates with Thales radars and CMS for export which I think its a great option. The other alternative would be an Indian design.

I think VN also needs 2 corvettes, 1 light 600 tons like the Molniya but with full stealth features and also fast and low profile, basically an up to date Molniya type of design.

Another bigger one for littoral ASW with helo deck and about 70-80 meters long. This might be the one under development in VN I think.

And of course the 2200 ton light frigates like Sigma.

If VN can get into that, that would be a good spread of ships.
 
USA released a paper a few days ago stating their position on the 9 dash line and refuting the chinese arguments for it. Here is the link for it:

[url]http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/234936.pdf[/URL]

Its interesting to see how all the relevant powers in the area are releasing papers ahead of the December 15th deadline. Even those that are not part of the litigation (USA) and those that already said that will not participate in the arbitration process and will not accept the results of the tribunal (China), still want to take the moral high ground and try to influence the tribunal by making their position clear with those papers.

Here is a link that explains the chinese and American positions in those papers just released:

[url="http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/china-americas-dueling-south-china-sea-papers-11830"]China and America's Dueling South China Sea Papers | The National Interest Blog[/URL]

Here is a link that explains the document released by Vietnam:

Vietnam Launches Legal Challenge Against China’s South China Sea Claims | The Diplomat
 
one of the best articles about our fight in 1979. I want to save it before it gets deleted by some reasons.
a reminder for a certain country that constantly looks for war.

Vietnam still proud of Chinese skulls in the jungle

pravda.ru 05.03.2009
Sergei Balmasov

Vietnam heroically repulsed China’s attack 30 years ago. The enmity between the two states continued for over 2,000 years. Vietnam’s territory was spreading to the Yangtze River 2,500 years ago. The Vietnamese proved 30 years ago that they could still wage war.

The war broke out in 1979 because of the tense relations between the USSR and China. The two communist regimes were fighting for the influence on the countries of the socialist camp. Beijing could not boast of any success: the sphere of its influence included only Albania and Kampuchea.

Paul Pot attacked Vietnam’s border territories in 1978. Hanoi responded with deploying its troops in Kampuchea in December 1978. China obtained a reason to interfere on Pol Pot’s side and occupy Vietnam in order to weaken the Soviet influence in the world.

The United States stood behind the conflict: the country was struggling against communism. The USA was setting China against the USSR’s allies promising its support to Beijing.

The 600,000-strong Chinese army attacked Vietnam along its entire 1,460-kilometer border. Vietnam had only two divisions to oppose China’s 44. About 85 percent of Vietnam’s troops were stationed in Cambodia, thousands of kilometers away. However, China failed to have a blitzkrieg: Vietnam did very well without the basic part of its regular forces.

Border guards and local militia men showed fierce resistance to the aggressor. The Chinese troops moved only 15 kilometers inside Vietnam during the first three days of the war. Only several thousands of Vietnamese border guards deterred a whole army.

The Vietnamese militia joined the war on the third day only. The Chinese troops were moving along narrow paths in the jungle - the surroundings were very convenient for entrapments. The Vietnamese soldiers eventually dismembered the enemy’s army into several parts.

A group of Soviet counselors arrived in Vietnam on February 19. Moscow set its Eastern troops on high alert and threatened to invade China. The USSR’s Pacific Fleet was approaching China’s coast. Soviet warplanes transported a group of the Vietnamese army from Kampuchea, which made it possible to organize a 100,000-strong group of Vietnamese military men.


China began to pull back its troops on March 5. The country declared its victory but never explained why it had failed to defend Pol Pot, its bloody ally. Vietnam pulled back from Kampuchea only ten years afterwards, having defeated the Khmer Rouge.

The Vietnamese troops were following China’s retreat for two weeks and killed 62,500 Chinese soldiers. They also destroyed over 50 percent of China’s military hardware that was involved in the aggression.

The vestiges of that war still echo today. Not so long ago, each Vietnamese student studying at local medical schools was supposed to fetch a couple of Chinese skulls from the jungle for practical classes.

The incursion of 1979 proved that Vietnam has one of the best soldiers in the world, who definitely know how to defend their native land.


Vietnam still proud of Chinese skulls in the jungle - English pravda.ru
 
there are news speculating the US begins to provide spare parts for their leftover military hardware after the Vietnam war. If so, we can save some money by reactivating some of the huge stock pile.

M113 tanks
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Vietnamese EW officers trainees in Russia
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soldier´s life
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encounter with a chinese warship
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loading weapons onto a warship
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anti submarine heli on patrol
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in cockpit
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Fishery coast guard
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Live fire exercise (military region 3): airborne landing of an enemy force

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Coastal defence: launching a shore based antiship missile P-15 Termit
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December 16th: Lieutenant General Vo Van Tuan received the visiting Harry Harris, Commander of the US Pacific Fleet. Harris says the US navy wants more port access to Vietnam.

Well, it is not a secret that America increases monitoring the activities of chinese southsea fleet, especially the nuclear powered subs. Let see how VN military leadership considers this suggestion. I guess we can close a deal that benefits both sides.

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Also, Harry Harris visits the city of danang and promotes a close tie between two navies.
the city once hosted one of the major US naval installations during the Vietnam war. I bet they want to return to there. we have given the russians privileged access to cam ranh bay, why not the americans to danang naval base?
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