Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China

[VALKRYIE]

Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China

Armed with land-attack cruise missiles, these two new vessels could cause major headaches for China’s naval forces.

By Franz-Stefan Gady
August 06, 2015

On August 1, the Vietnamese Navy commissioned two new Russian-madeKilo-class diesel-electric submarines, according to Thanh Nien News.

The 184-Hai Phong and 185-Khanh Hoa were both commissioned during a ceremony held at Cam Ranh Naval in Khanh Hoa province, south of Hanoi.

The commander of the Vietnam People’s Navy, Rear Admiral Hoai Nam noted that this constituted “a major step of modernizing the Navy, and the People’s Army of Vietnam in general.”

He also emphasized that the acquisition of the two new vessels should not trigger a new arms race in the region or deter other countries but merely protect Vietnam’s sovereignty and help safeguard peace in the region.

The two new vessels will join the Submarine Brigade 189, which is already home to the Vietnam People’s Navy’s first two Kilo-class SSKs – the 182-Hanoi and 183-Ho Chi Minh. Vietnam is expected to field a fleet of six Kilo-class SSKs total.

Hanoi and Moscow signed a $ 2.6 billion contract for the modernization of Vietnam’s submarine fleet back in 2009 with the last two vessels to be delivered by 2016. The website naval-technology.comnotes about the Type 636 Kilo-class:

Type 636 is designed for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface-ship warfare (ASuW) and also for general reconnaissance and patrol missions. The Type 636 submarine is considered to be to be one of the quietest diesel submarines in the world. It is said to be capable of detecting an enemy submarine at a range three to four times greater than it can be detected itself.

As I noted before (See: “Vietnam Buys Deadly New Missiles Capable of Hitting China”), once the last vessel is commissioned, Vietnam will have the most modern submarine force in all of Southeast Asia. Its principal purpose will be to act as a credible deterrent force to Chinese “adventurism” in Vietnam’s maritime domain.

What will make the new vessels particularly dangerous for the People’s Republic of China is that they will purportedly be equipped with land-attack cruise missiles.

“Vietnam is in the process of acquiring 50 anti-ship and land attack 3M-14E Klub supersonic cruise missiles for its burgeoning fleet of SSK Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines,” I noted back in April.

I also stated that “[w]hile it is unknown whether the anti-ship variant of the weapon sold to Vietnam is the 3M-54E Klub-S (range 220km) or 3M-54E1 (range 300km) – both of which can be launched from submarines – the land-attack variant is almost certainly the 3M-14E (range 300km), capable of carrying a 450kg warhead.”

The Chinese naval base at Sanya on China’s Hainan Island and military facilities that Beijing is building in the South China Sea could be potential targets for the newly acquired subs and their deadly missiles.

Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China | The Diplomat

 

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[Beast]

Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China

Armed with land-attack cruise missiles, these two new vessels could cause major headaches for China’s naval forces.

By Franz-Stefan Gady
August 06, 2015

On August 1, the Vietnamese Navy commissioned two new Russian-madeKilo-class diesel-electric submarines, according to Thanh Nien News.

The 184-Hai Phong and 185-Khanh Hoa were both commissioned during a ceremony held at Cam Ranh Naval in Khanh Hoa province, south of Hanoi.

The commander of the Vietnam People’s Navy, Rear Admiral Hoai Nam noted that this constituted “a major step of modernizing the Navy, and the People’s Army of Vietnam in general.”

He also emphasized that the acquisition of the two new vessels should not trigger a new arms race in the region or deter other countries but merely protect Vietnam’s sovereignty and help safeguard peace in the region.

The two new vessels will join the Submarine Brigade 189, which is already home to the Vietnam People’s Navy’s first two Kilo-class SSKs – the 182-Hanoi and 183-Ho Chi Minh. Vietnam is expected to field a fleet of six Kilo-class SSKs total.

Hanoi and Moscow signed a $ 2.6 billion contract for the modernization of Vietnam’s submarine fleet back in 2009 with the last two vessels to be delivered by 2016. The website naval-technology.comnotes about the Type 636 Kilo-class:

Type 636 is designed for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface-ship warfare (ASuW) and also for general reconnaissance and patrol missions. The Type 636 submarine is considered to be to be one of the quietest diesel submarines in the world. It is said to be capable of detecting an enemy submarine at a range three to four times greater than it can be detected itself.

As I noted before (See: “Vietnam Buys Deadly New Missiles Capable of Hitting China”), once the last vessel is commissioned, Vietnam will have the most modern submarine force in all of Southeast Asia. Its principal purpose will be to act as a credible deterrent force to Chinese “adventurism” in Vietnam’s maritime domain.

What will make the new vessels particularly dangerous for the People’s Republic of China is that they will purportedly be equipped with land-attack cruise missiles.

“Vietnam is in the process of acquiring 50 anti-ship and land attack 3M-14E Klub supersonic cruise missiles for its burgeoning fleet of SSK Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines,” I noted back in April.

I also stated that “[w]hile it is unknown whether the anti-ship variant of the weapon sold to Vietnam is the 3M-54E Klub-S (range 220km) or 3M-54E1 (range 300km) – both of which can be launched from submarines – the land-attack variant is almost certainly the 3M-14E (range 300km), capable of carrying a 450kg warhead.”

The Chinese naval base at Sanya on China’s Hainan Island and military facilities that Beijing is building in the South China Sea could be potential targets for the newly acquired subs and their deadly missiles.

Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China | The Diplomat

These vietnam sub are not targeted at China. If so, Vietnam will be one of the dumbest military in the world for buying the same submarine operate by PLAN. PLAN Kilo636 are different from Indian Kilo877. Vietnam one is essentially same as Chinese version only. China are slowly phasing out these sub while replacing them with domestic type041 and Song class sub. In Sino vietnam war breakout, PLAN can easily hunt out these vietnam sub as our decades of operating these sub gives us edge over the vietnamese plus Vietnam dont know a thing about our Yuan or Song sub.

 

[Azz Kikr]

Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China

Armed with land-attack cruise missiles, these two new vessels could cause major headaches for China’s naval forces.

By Franz-Stefan Gady
August 06, 2015

On August 1, the Vietnamese Navy commissioned two new Russian-madeKilo-class diesel-electric submarines, according to Thanh Nien News.

The 184-Hai Phong and 185-Khanh Hoa were both commissioned during a ceremony held at Cam Ranh Naval in Khanh Hoa province, south of Hanoi.

The commander of the Vietnam People’s Navy, Rear Admiral Hoai Nam noted that this constituted “a major step of modernizing the Navy, and the People’s Army of Vietnam in general.”

He also emphasized that the acquisition of the two new vessels should not trigger a new arms race in the region or deter other countries but merely protect Vietnam’s sovereignty and help safeguard peace in the region.

The two new vessels will join the Submarine Brigade 189, which is already home to the Vietnam People’s Navy’s first two Kilo-class SSKs – the 182-Hanoi and 183-Ho Chi Minh. Vietnam is expected to field a fleet of six Kilo-class SSKs total.

Hanoi and Moscow signed a $ 2.6 billion contract for the modernization of Vietnam’s submarine fleet back in 2009 with the last two vessels to be delivered by 2016. The website naval-technology.comnotes about the Type 636 Kilo-class:

Type 636 is designed for anti-submarine warfare (ASW) and anti-surface-ship warfare (ASuW) and also for general reconnaissance and patrol missions. The Type 636 submarine is considered to be to be one of the quietest diesel submarines in the world. It is said to be capable of detecting an enemy submarine at a range three to four times greater than it can be detected itself.

As I noted before (See: “Vietnam Buys Deadly New Missiles Capable of Hitting China”), once the last vessel is commissioned, Vietnam will have the most modern submarine force in all of Southeast Asia. Its principal purpose will be to act as a credible deterrent force to Chinese “adventurism” in Vietnam’s maritime domain.

What will make the new vessels particularly dangerous for the People’s Republic of China is that they will purportedly be equipped with land-attack cruise missiles.

“Vietnam is in the process of acquiring 50 anti-ship and land attack 3M-14E Klub supersonic cruise missiles for its burgeoning fleet of SSK Kilo-class diesel-electric submarines,” I noted back in April.

I also stated that “[w]hile it is unknown whether the anti-ship variant of the weapon sold to Vietnam is the 3M-54E Klub-S (range 220km) or 3M-54E1 (range 300km) – both of which can be launched from submarines – the land-attack variant is almost certainly the 3M-14E (range 300km), capable of carrying a 450kg warhead.”

The Chinese naval base at Sanya on China’s Hainan Island and military facilities that Beijing is building in the South China Sea could be potential targets for the newly acquired subs and their deadly missiles.

Vietnam Commissions Two New Subs Capable of Attacking China | The Diplomat

Kilos are cool but i think Viets should go for Yasen class subs.

 

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These vietnam sub are not targeted at China. If so, Vietnam will be one of the dumbest military in the world for buying the same submarine operate by PLAN. PLAN Kilo636 are different from Indian Kilo877. Vietnam one is essentially same as Chinese version only. China are slowly phasing out these sub while replacing them with domestic type041 and Song class sub. In Sino vietnam war breakout, PLAN can easily hunt out these vietnam sub as our decades of operating these sub gives us edge over the vietnamese plus Vietnam dont know a thing about our Yuan or Song sub.

Really?

 

[Place Of Space]

Really?

Compete with your buddy Philippines. You know we only compare the two nations in very aspects.

 

[vtnsx]

Compete with your buddy Philippines. You know we only compare the two nations in very aspects.

No I don't. You talk like I should know it. But I don't.

 

[Place Of Space]

No I don't. You talk like I should know it. But I don't.

What are you talking about?

 

[opruh]

It will probably sink on its own.

 

[Beast]

Really?

You mean you dont know VPN Kilo is the 636 version same as PLAN Kilo636?

Do you Vietnam know anything about Yuan and Song submarine? You will only know it when VPN submarine get sunk

 

[AndrewJin]

From the title and a lot of titles of threads posted by Viets, it is clear the whole existence of Viets and Vietnam is for China.

 

[Indus Falcon]

Kindly tell us more about this pic. Details would be appreciated.

Thanks!

 

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Yu-8 Vertical Launch Torpedo (50km+)

Vietnam ASW to get Lockheed Sea Hercules C 130 and Boeing state of the art P-8 Poseidon. The country is waiting until the US fully lifts arms embargo.

Vietnam looks to the US for warplanes to beef up its defense against China - Business Insider

These vietnam sub are not targeted at China. If so, Vietnam will be one of the dumbest military in the world for buying the same submarine operate by PLAN. PLAN Kilo636 are different from Indian Kilo877. Vietnam one is essentially same as Chinese version only. China are slowly phasing out these sub while replacing them with domestic type041 and Song class sub. In Sino vietnam war breakout, PLAN can easily hunt out these vietnam sub as our decades of operating these sub gives us edge over the vietnamese plus Vietnam dont know a thing about our Yuan or Song sub.

Vietnam Kilo 636 Submarine Technology More Advanced Than China Kilo 636.

Compared with 636-MK submarines that use by the Chinese Navy, Kilo 636-MV submarines that Russia sold to Vietnam has many differences, of which the largest is about armament.

First, Vietnam's Kilo submarines will be fitted with land attack cruise missile 3M-14E latest type, with a range of 290 km. Missiles are not Russia's Defense Ministry approved the export to China. Apart from Vietnam, two other countries are exporting Russian 3M-14E missiles is India and Algeria.

Besides that, Kilo 636-MV submarine is equipped with radar-guided complex multi-effects post GE2-01 type. This has not been removed for export to China, the biggest advantage is minimizing the noise in the environment and help diversify measures directions.

Sonar system, Kilo 636-MK China submarines is equipped with sonar systems MGK 400E basic types. Meanwhile, the Kilo 636-MV submarines are installing sonar systems MGK 400E type improvements. Two sonar system has the same sounding range, but the sonar system type MGK 400E is equipped with improved signal processing speed and performance more digitized higher level.

On the periscope, both Kilo 636-MK submarine and Kilo 636-MV submarines are equipped with sounding optical system, but the periscope used for tasks Kilo 636-MV attack submarines are installation of additional equipment measuring distance from IR ray and TV monitoring systems, Meanwhile, Kilo 636MK submarines primarily use optical aiming device and no distance measurement beam from. That means fighting capability at night and the attack accuracy of the Kilo 636-MV submarine will be higher than Kilo 636-MK submarine.

Final difference is the air conditioning system that Kilo 636-MV submarines using more appropriate to the climate, tropical terrain.

Besides these differences, Kilo submarines that Russia sold to China and the Russian Kilo submarine exports to Vietnam have some similarities, such as the missile is equipped with 3M-54E anti-ship, and used batteries 476 E type of improvement, long life and meet the requirements of the water temperature in the Pacific Ocean.

Sources said that the production time of two submarines on each other for over 5 years, the technology equipped for Kilo 636-MV submarines is granted with more advanced than Kilo 636-MK. Considering the differences above, according to the magazine, although both are Kilo 636 M submarines, but the gap in technology between the Kilo 636-MV submarine and Kilo 636-MK submarine at least 10 years.

DEFENSE STUDIES: Vietnam Kilo 636 Submarine Technology More Advanced Than China Kilo 636 ?

 

[Beast]

Vietnam ASW to get Lockheed Sea Hercules C 130 and Boeing state of the art P-8 Poseidon. The country is waiting until the US fully lifts arms embargo.

Vietnam looks to the US for warplanes to beef up its defense against China - Business Insider





Vietnam Kilo 636 Submarine Technology More Advanced Than China Kilo 636.

Compared with 636-MK submarines that use by the Chinese Navy, Kilo 636-MV submarines that Russia sold to Vietnam has many differences, of which the largest is about armament.

First, Vietnam's Kilo submarines will be fitted with land attack cruise missile 3M-14E latest type, with a range of 290 km. Missiles are not Russia's Defense Ministry approved the export to China. Apart from Vietnam, two other countries are exporting Russian 3M-14E missiles is India and Algeria.

Besides that, Kilo 636-MV submarine is equipped with radar-guided complex multi-effects post GE2-01 type. This has not been removed for export to China, the biggest advantage is minimizing the noise in the environment and help diversify measures directions.

Sonar system, Kilo 636-MK China submarines is equipped with sonar systems MGK 400E basic types. Meanwhile, the Kilo 636-MV submarines are installing sonar systems MGK 400E type improvements. Two sonar system has the same sounding range, but the sonar system type MGK 400E is equipped with improved signal processing speed and performance more digitized higher level.

On the periscope, both Kilo 636-MK submarine and Kilo 636-MV submarines are equipped with sounding optical system, but the periscope used for tasks Kilo 636-MV attack submarines are installation of additional equipment measuring distance from IR ray and TV monitoring systems, Meanwhile, Kilo 636MK submarines primarily use optical aiming device and no distance measurement beam from. That means fighting capability at night and the attack accuracy of the Kilo 636-MV submarine will be higher than Kilo 636-MK submarine.

Final difference is the air conditioning system that Kilo 636-MV submarines using more appropriate to the climate, tropical terrain.

Besides these differences, Kilo submarines that Russia sold to China and the Russian Kilo submarine exports to Vietnam have some similarities, such as the missile is equipped with 3M-54E anti-ship, and used batteries 476 E type of improvement, long life and meet the requirements of the water temperature in the Pacific Ocean.

Sources said that the production time of two submarines on each other for over 5 years, the technology equipped for Kilo 636-MV submarines is granted with more advanced than Kilo 636-MK. Considering the differences above, according to the magazine, although both are Kilo 636 M submarines, but the gap in technology between the Kilo 636-MV submarine and Kilo 636-MK submarine at least 10 years.

DEFENSE STUDIES: Vietnam Kilo 636 Submarine Technology More Advanced Than China Kilo 636 ?

Vietnam is gettng more like more India, talking about non materialise matter as matter? If China attack Vietnam few months later, do Vietnam has those ASW plane?

As for the sub, the self delusion vietnam again try to misled readers. Very obvious even the writer claim the biggest difference between PLAN kilo and VPN kilo is armaments, meaning there is not much different between both type submarine.

China did not get Klub missile is becos we do not even need it. We have CJ-10 cruise missile and even YJ-12 plus YJ-83 missile. We are building our own submarine and has not imported anymore foreign submarine. Why would we even bother it armed with Klub or not?

The thing that make Vietnamese forumer tasteless is their nationalistic behaviour of trying to spam lies and misled readers. Putin can't even wait to embrace China closer. What does vietnam stand in Russia allies? If a war broke out between China and vietnam, nationalistic fool thinking Putin will stand for vietnam against China? Please come back to reality. As if Russia cherish vietnam more by selling more advance weapon while exclude those weapon for Chinese? The problem is Chinese has developed into a military industrial powerhouse that do not need any naval import anymore , not becos Russia denial us.