Variyamkunnath Kunjahammed Haji, the Khilafat leader who declared an independent state

[letsrock]

Did you even read what I posted? I am quoting it again.




You can find here how Ambedkar back stabbed Muslims of Hyderabad.


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Hyderabad, British India, and the World: Muslim Networks and Minor Sovereignty, c.1850–1950 Paperback – March 1, 2018
by Eric Beverley (Author)

where is backstabing there ? somebody gives a land mean you convert to their religion?. YOu are really stretching this and frankly getting annoying. He is not a muslim and he will have criticims of islam just like any thinker who due to circumstance is forced to think about it. If you read mao, lenin or even attaturk it will be there. That doesnt mean you make enemies of all of them and call them RSS.

Understand what I am saying you cant have anyone more anti-rss than Ambedkar.

 

[SrNair]

Yeah yeah cool story. Which fictional book did you take it out of?

We know fully well the extent of lies heathens like you propagate. Indonesia, Bangladesh and Malaysia were converted without any forced conversions and now they're 80% Muslim. Bharat Mayya was subjected to SO much violence yet still remained 75% Hindu. So much for unspeakable violence. Indian imagination and story weaving knows no ends.

@SrNair if we don't succeed, surely the Christians will succeed in your South India.

Our main goal is taking power away from fanatical heathens like you. You guys are a mob masquerading as community. We're fine with even Christians becoming majority in South India. As long monkey elephant fanboy heathens are out of power.

Banned serves you right.

First thing .
You a Pakistani is noone to concerns about our India and also South India .
Our people dont have any kind of relation with Pakistanis
Then Hindus in South India is far more conservative ,orthodox , discplined ,secular and successful also .
Dont need to count on Christians , they are like Jews especially in Kerala .

Noone cares your planning .

Yeah yeah cool story. Which fictional book did you take it out of?

We know fully well the extent of lies heathens like you propagate. Indonesia, Bangladesh and Malaysia were converted without any forced conversions and now they're 80% Muslim. Bharat Mayya was subjected to SO much violence yet still remained 75% Hindu. So much for unspeakable violence. Indian imagination and story weaving knows no ends.

@SrNair if we don't succeed, surely the Christians will succeed in your South India.

Our main goal is taking power away from fanatical heathens like you. You guys are a mob masquerading as community. We're fine with even Christians becoming majority in South India. As long monkey elephant fanboy heathens are out of power.

This is India and particularly South India .
Here we are majority and will decides the course of history .
Better take care your nation other wise Indian intelligence succeed on lots of things

Any fight or war before partitions was our fight which we were proud of it cuz we never surrender but the majority of people which obviously was hindu get benifited from british raj more than other community.. which later leads to sepration and we are also proud of it.. india is artificial state sooner or later it has to disolve..

Thanks to the Partition .History proved that was one of the best decision.
India will remain as one and 130 crore people will ensure it

THe nair sr whose language is regularly mocked by sanghis from north and seen as black fellow to be tolerated seems to get his sources from RSS. I doutb ambedkar said that but RSS is known to give false quotes to him. Moplas were the first resistence to british rule from civilians. Many have taken a bullet from brits. True fighters. Giving them a religious color and diminish them is long time play from RSS types whose founder veer savarkar made agreements with british to get out of jail.

Our language is our pride .
And our fellow Indians respects the achievements that we Keralites earned through our hardwork .
We will mock each other insult each other .
We mocks them so bad sometimes .
But thats all.
Outsiders dont have any place here .

If you dont know history you should read .
There was only one Dr Ambedkar noone can imitate him or his talent .
Even if you read you cant grasp like one who suffered .

 

[HalfMoon]

where is backstabing there ? somebody gives a land mean you convert to their religion?. YOu are really stretching this and frankly getting annoying. He is not a muslim and he will have criticims of islam just like any thinker who due to circumstance is forced to think about it. If you read mao, lenin or even attaturk it will be there. That doesnt mean you make enemies of all of them and call them RSS.

Understand what I am saying you cant have anyone more anti-rss than Ambedkar.

Nizam of Hyderabad was offering money and other incentives for Hindu dalits to embrace Islam while Ambedkar came in with his plan to have dalits convert to Buddhism instead and wean away dalits from Islam. This weakened the growth of Islam in Deccan resulting in Hyderabad getting annexed by India.

I am not sure why you cannot get this simple fact.

Also, He had tied up with Jan Sangh which was the RSS party then.

 

[SrNair]

https://www.deccanherald.com/specials/after-97-years-forgotten-699719.html

After 97 years, a forgotten British massacre uncoveredThe British unleashed ruthless violence over Mappilas to quell the rebellion in south Malabar taluks Ajmal V, DH Web Desk, Bengaluru, OCT 25 2018, 08:46 ISTUPDATED: OCT 26 2018, 03:17 IST A mas...

Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/specials/after-97-years-forgotten-699719.html

As you sow so shall you reap.
For vote bank politics only state govt consider this as a part of freedom movement .
Central Govt from 1947 considers this as a minority genocide

Yes he said. Ambedkar was a sanghi himself. Ambedkar's party was in tie up with Jan Sangh to fight Nehru/Congress.

Dr Ambedkar suffered a lots due to uppercaste and at least he converted to Buddhism.
Only a illiterate moron says he was Sanghi

 

[HalfMoon]

Understand what I am saying you cant have anyone more anti-rss than Ambedkar.

I perfectly understand what you are saying but your inference is incorrect.

Ambedkar was anti-casteist but he was anti-Muslim too.

He ws a fanatic Indian nationalist who saw Islam as non native to India.

He joined hands with right wing Hindus with no inhibitions.

Dr Ambedkar suffered a lots due to uppercaste and at least he converted to Buddhism.
Only a illiterate moron says he was Sanghi

Savarkar, Gandhi, Nehru, Ambedkar are all the same.

They favored Hindus over Muslims. They are all sanghis to me.

Jinnah was the only secular leader of British India.

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Have you read his book anhilation of caste ?I suggest you read that instead of tidbits from here and there. It will blow your mind. He was emphatic on whats wrong with hinduism - nobody ever made a critique that devastating. Morover he was so honest in describing actual treatment of dalits. He did not chose Islam then as there were lot of caste issues in islam too - its not that prominent in pakistan but in india especially north caste was and is still a big deal.

He was no Sanghi, just islamophobic.

 

[HalfMoon]

He was no Sanghi, just islamophobic.

Thank you! I think that as the word I was trying find.

He may not be technically a sanghi but he was surely anti-Muslim.

 

[xeuss]

As you sow so shall you reap.
For vote bank politics only state govt consider this as a part of freedom movement .
Central Govt from 1947 considers this as a minority genocide

You obviously have not read the article, but your deep prejudice against Muslims knows no bounds.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Cliftonite

Bhai, @TheGreatMaratha is a good man.

Can you link me where he has been Islamophobic ?

Why do you need proof of trolling about Indian trolls? Unfortunately your friend @Naofumi Is just as bad as Hindu trolls as well.

I request you brother, please don't take up for these people who stalk our forum just to garner negative reactions from Pakistanis.

 

[letsrock]

Nizam of Hyderabad was offering money and other incentives for Hindu dalits to embrace Islam while Ambedkar came in with his plan to have dalits convert to Buddhism instead and wean away dalits from Islam. This weakened the growth of Islam in Deccan resulting in Hyderabad getting annexed by India.

I am not sure why you cannot get this simple fact.

Also, He had tied up with Jan Sangh which was the RSS party then.

If they were already muslims you can accuse him of weaning. They were not muslims to begin with. He was their leader, he gave them a voice and he adopted budhism. THey followed him because he was leader. As I said your mind works strangely - are you linking this hyd getting annexed - .? which was done with lots of killing and Delhi govt not following partition norms. dalits anyway are just 15 percent there

Our language is our pride .
And our fellow Indians respects the achievements that we Keralites earned through our hardwork .
We will mock each other insult each other .
We mocks them so bad sometimes .
But thats all.
Outsiders dont have any place here .
.

IF your language is your pride you would have asked for a parliament which speaks your language . YOu would have wondered why your PM who feeds on your taxes speaks in some other persons language. You would have asked for an army which speaks your language. You would have questioned why your taxes should go to an entity which claims to govern you but will not even speak in your language.

It's prominent in Pakistan too.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/page-5429#post-12398560

Ofcourse it is there - prominent or not is debatable. If pakistanis can truly treat each other as brothers why will it be such a poor country still. There is a reason why south asian countries are so poor. But overall pakistan still has the best chance to grow as a nation if it gets its act right. India has no chance but indian people can really rocket if they come out of the "maya" of india.

He was no Sanghi, just islamophobic.

Not islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is someone with fear and hatred . He doesnt have that. He is a scholar with different opinion. You would call even ataturk as islamaphobic (and i dont like ataturk by the way - he is actually a real islamaphobe )

I perfectly understand what you are saying but your inference is incorrect.

Ambedkar was anti-casteist but he was anti-Muslim too.

He ws a fanatic Indian nationalist who saw Islam as non native to India.

He joined hands with right wing Hindus with no inhibitions.

He never joined hand with right wing hindus. And you couldnt be more wrong in the way you approach the whole issue. And also admit not everything about south asian muslims is hunky dory. There are severe caste problems there too.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

It's prominent in Pakistan too.
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/whatever.46703/page-5429#post-12398560

Ever seen or heard news of Pak beating or killing a few over riding a horse or feeding a dog?

So called caste is only limited to rural central panjab and at max pops up during rishta searches at most..

A teeli and a jatt eat, sit and communicate at equal levels.

If they were already muslims you can accuse him of weaning. They were not muslims to begin with. He was their leader, he gave them a voice and he adopted budhism. THey followed him because he was leader. As I said your mind works strangely - are you linking this hyd getting annexed - .? which was done with lots of killing and Delhi govt not following partition norms. dalits anyway are just 15 percent there



IF your language is your pride you would have asked for a parliament which speaks your language . YOu would have wondered why your PM who feeds on your taxes speaks in some other persons language. You would have asked for an army which speaks your language. You would have questioned why your taxes should go to an entity which claims to govern you but will not even speak in your language.



Ofcourse it is there - prominent or not is debatable. If pakistanis can truly treat each other as brothers why will it be such a poor country still. There is a reason why south asian countries are so poor. But overall pakistan still has the best chance to grow as a nation if it gets its act right. India has no chance but indian people can really rocket if they come out of the "maya" of india.


Not islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is someone with fear and hatred . He doesnt have that. He is a scholar with different opinion. You would call even ataturk as islamaphobic (and i dont like ataturk by the way - he is actually a real islamaphobe )



He never joined hand with right wing hindus. And you couldnt be more wrong in the way you approach the whole issue. And also admit not everything about south asian muslims is hunky dory. There are severe caste problems there too.

Well ambedkar didnt have favourable view of hinduism either.. so what is this srnair troll goin on bout?

Also i searched the thuvvar well and other bs... not a single link pops up expect for shytty islamophobic hindutva blogs..

 

[HalfMoon]

If they were already muslims you can accuse him of weaning. They were not muslims to begin with. He was their leader, he gave them a voice and he adopted budhism. THey followed him because he was leader. As I said your mind works strangely - are you linking this hyd getting annexed - .? which was done with lots of killing and Delhi govt not following partition norms. dalits anyway are just 15 percent there

First of all you need to consider both SC & ST population. And their combined population was much higher in the princely state of Hyderabad. See the table below for the SC & ST population by district in the current Telangana state to get an idea of the lost opportunity.

Had these people embraced Islam, Hyderabad would have much larger Muslim population and annexation would have been far more difficult. Even in Kashmir most of the Pandits embraced Islam in the late 1800s which is making the claim for Kashmir to join Pakistan much easier today. Ambedkar just rocked the plan of Nizam by steering the Dalits towards Buddhism and made the job of Nehru/Patel much easier to annex Hyderabad.

He never joined hand with right wing hindus. And you couldnt be more wrong in the way you approach the whole issue. And also admit not everything about south asian muslims is hunky dory. There are severe caste problems there too.

Yes. Ambedkar's Scheduled Caste Federation party(now called Republican Party of India -RPI) was in tie up with Bharatiya Jansangh (former party of BJP).

Even today RPI is in tie up with BJP in Maharashtra and RPI's Ramdas Athawale is Minister of Social Justice and Empowerment in Modi's government.

Why RSS considers Ambedkar as one of its own icons

https://theprint.in/india/why-rss-considers-ambedkar-as-one-of-its-own-icons/400981/

Ambedkar's views fully align with RSS.

1) Do you know that Ambedkar was in Opposition to Aryan invasion theory?

Read his book "WHO WERE THE SHUDRAS ?" in which he documents that Shudras were the original Kshatriya caste with quotes from Rig Veda

2) Do you know that Ambedkar supported Uniform Civil Code?

3) Do you know that Ambedkar strongly opposed Article 370 for Jammu & Kashmir?

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Ever seen or heard news of Pak beating or killing a few over riding a horse or feeding a dog?

So called caste is only limited to rural central panjab and at max pops up during rishta searches at most..

A teeli and a jatt eat, sit and communicate at equal levels.

Just report and move on. There is nothing more to do with these obsessed trolls, who bring Pakistan into a topic having nothing to do with our country.

Not islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is someone with fear and hatred . He doesnt have that. He is a scholar with different opinion. You would call even ataturk as islamaphobic (and i dont like ataturk by the way - he is actually a real islamaphobe )

You may want to check your definition of Islamophobia, as it is a term quite similar to anti-semitism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Islamophobia

Ambedkar was definitely an Islamophobe, he had many wrong generalized ideas about Muslims and an innate bias against us.

It makes sense because we was basically from the same Hindu-based mindset as Nehru, Savarkar, Patel, and others.

Islam was viewed to him as too alien of a faith.

 

[SrNair]

You obviously have not read the article, but your deep prejudice against Muslims knows no bounds.

Dont try to teach us Ok.We are talking about this because we knows the fact from the grounds .
They said where is the descendent of those non muslims.Indias former foreign secretary Ms Nirupama Rao was one of this family .
EMS Namboothiripad and his family that had just escaped from there.
Still we have houses in there that still carries the mark of minority genocide in 1921
Means their descendents are either few or non existent .Because most of them killed or escaped or converted .
How many British officials died in that riot?2 or 3 most probably less than 20 .
More than 10000 Hindus , unlike some propogandists in here , died there .
Most of them were actually so called low caste common people ..Because except few all other landlords had the luxury to escape from there or protected by their low caste people also.

After got to know all of this we silently agrees one thing British did is suppressing this monsters.
And remember this those crazy Mappilas and other Muslims are different .
Only Mappilas did this other Muslims including in Calicut took actions against it .

Only in Malappuram this one happened but not other areas.

If they were already muslims you can accuse him of weaning. They were not muslims to begin with. He was their leader, he gave them a voice and he adopted budhism. THey followed him because he was leader. As I said your mind works strangely - are you linking this hyd getting annexed - .? which was done with lots of killing and Delhi govt not following partition norms. dalits anyway are just 15 percent there



IF your language is your pride you would have asked for a parliament which speaks your language . YOu would have wondered why your PM who feeds on your taxes speaks in some other persons language. You would have asked for an army which speaks your language. You would have questioned why your taxes should go to an entity which claims to govern you but will not even speak in your language.



Ofcourse it is there - prominent or not is debatable. If pakistanis can truly treat each other as brothers why will it be such a poor country still. There is a reason why south asian countries are so poor. But overall pakistan still has the best chance to grow as a nation if it gets its act right. India has no chance but indian people can really rocket if they come out of the "maya" of india.


Not islamaphobic. Islamaphobic is someone with fear and hatred . He doesnt have that. He is a scholar with different opinion. You would call even ataturk as islamaphobic (and i dont like ataturk by the way - he is actually a real islamaphobe )



He never joined hand with right wing hindus. And you couldnt be more wrong in the way you approach the whole issue. And also admit not everything about south asian muslims is hunky dory. There are severe caste problems there too.

We have freedom and already talked in several times in our language in Parliament .
PM Modi himself is talks other language Hindi.
His actual mother tongue is Gujarathi .
And 70 % of our language is Sanskrit

 

[AfrazulMandal]

Dont try to teach us Ok.We are talking about this because we knows the fact from the grounds .
They said where is the descendent of those non muslims.Indias former foreign secretary Ms Nirupama Rao was one of this family .
EMS Namboothiripad and his family that had just escaped from there.
Still we have houses in there that still carries the mark of minority genocide in 1921
Means their descendents are either few or non existent .Because most of them killed or escaped or converted .
How many British officials died in that riot?2 or 3 most probably less than 20 .
More than 10000 Hindus , unlike some propogandists in here , died there .
Most of them were actually so called low caste common people ..Because except few all other landlords had the luxury to escape from there or protected by their low caste people also.

After got to know all of this we silently agrees one thing British did is suppressing this monsters.
And remember this those crazy Mappilas and other Muslims are different .
Only Mappilas did this other Muslims including in Calicut took actions against it .

Only in Malappuram this one happened but not other areas.



We have freedom and already talked in several times in our language in Parliament .
PM Modi himself is talks other language Hindi.
His actual mother tongue is Gujarathi .
And 70 % of our language is Sanskrit

Only British collaborators were harmed.

Since most Hindus collaborated with the British, they bore the brunt of the resistance.

Surely, there were miscreants misusing the situation. But that does not mean the Khilafat states were to be blamed. If Hindus fought side by side with the Khilafat Andolan, things would have turned out very differently.

But then, it is safer to surrender and write mercy petitions.

Aaah music to my ears. Hahahahaha. Tell me more.

Your entire history is of subjugating Dalits. Seems like curry worshipping Brahmins were given a good ol dose of karma.




Naah Pakistani Hindus are sane people. Free from toxic bs like caste system and stupid useless superstitions. They are my people, my countrymen.

Instead we will neutralize Hindu India. Hindus derive their power from their undivided large numbers. We will balkanize India, in this century only. And hopefully make a Muslim corridor stretching from Kashmir to WB.

As long as Hinduism exists, the strain of Hindurastra will survive.

All Hindus who come to India from Pakistan openly bad mouth Pakistan. What I mean is that they don't speak their mind under the circumstances (while being in Pak). There is no difference between a Hindu from Pakistan and one from India or one from Dubai (as recent experience showed).