Used F16's - EDA 50 ~ 100 Available

[volatile]

Hi,

I any major weapons purchase or any other deal---" time is the enemy ".

After 9/11---when Paf had the funds---

woh pagal ho gai thi paisay jaib mein dekh kar---it went carzy with all that money

usay samajh nahin aa raha thaa keh kia karay---it could not understand what to do

true indeed a cash deprived organization or person once receive money always go for things which are emotional ,brands rather than rational. By the way 2 Billion $ purchase of J10 would have been the real knock out from the remaining 5.1 Bil $ and numbers could have been made up thru EDA (my hope is this covers the same topic which we are discussing ) It will be interesting to know what levels of maintenance as well as how much parts are imported in case of F16 as IMO with F16 its just like BMW/AUDI you always go to company distributor

 

[Mentee]

Meaning if you replace 100 .303 rifles with 100 AK47 rifles---you bring nothing to the table---.

Meaning---Napoleone's flank---if it had moved in a timely manner to cut off the british---would have brought nothing to the table---.

What kind to fcking table is this---that you replace Bread and Lentils with roast beef roast poultry and roast game and fine wines and drinks and deserts and it says "brings nothing to the table "---.

@SherDil
@war&peace @Doordie @The Sandman I couldn't control my laughter

 

[volatile]

Buying earlier block f16 and attempting to opgrade them.does not mean or becomes a block 52

F16 mlu is a inferior plane to block 52
The latter has the apg69 msa radar and the mlu the apg 63' .

Please go thru this link ,I think your information is little incorrect
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/paf-f-16-mlu-specifications-and-36-blk-52-prospects.60896/

Actually, a unique feature of PAF is that almost everything it gets is customized. Even when we got the blk 15 F-16s in the 80s, they were customized and were slightly different from the standard blk 15 that were sold to other countries.

Even now, the MLU PAF F-16s are getting are customized rather than standard MLU-3 or MLU-4.

Let me try to explain

MLU-3 in made up of the following.

Automatic Target Hand-off System (ATHS)
Integration of anti radiation missile capability
Integration of target designator system
Further implementation of the Digital Terrain System
Integration of the Link-16 system
Integration of capability for GPS controlled weapons (GBU30/32)
Introduction of Helmet Mounted/Cueing Sight
Introduction of NVG compatible helmets

Where as the MLU 4 Tape has the following features which PAF is not aquiring because of financial crunch,

M4 tape contains in addition to above:

Introduction of advanced short-range missile, as a replacement for the current Sidewinder (AIM-9X, IRIS-T)
Integration of advanced Link-16 functions
Integration of SNIPER targeting pods


Here's what PAF is getting:
The Government of Pakistan has requested a possible sale of 60 F-16A/B Mid-Life Update (MLU)modification and Falcon Star Structural Service Life Enhancement kits consisting of:

APG-68(V)9 with Synthetic Aperture Radar or APG-66(V)2 radar;
Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems;
AN/APX-113 Advanced Identification Friend or Foe Systems;
AN/ALE-47 Advanced Countermeasures Dispenser Systems;
Have Quick I/II Radios;
Link-16 Multifunctional Information Distribution System-Low Volume Terminals;

SNIPER (formerly known as AN/AAQ-33 PANTERA) targeting pod capability;
Reconnaissance pod capability;

Advanced Air Combat Maneuvering Instrumentation Units;
MDE included in the MLU modification and structural upgrade kits
21 ALQ-131 Block II Electronic Countermeasures Pods without the Digital Radio Frequency
Memory (DRFM) or ALQ-184 Electronic Countermeasures Pods without DRFM;
60 ALQ-213 Electronic Warfare Management Systems;
1 Unit Level Trainer; and
10 APG-68(V)9 spare radar sets.


So you can see that everything there is just a customized upgrade rather then a MLU-3 or MLU-4. The only thing missing is integration of AIM-9X sidewinders(5th gen) because we are getting the AIM-9M sidewinders (the latest ones before the 5th gen).

Hope that explains it...so it is blk 50 standard

Once again paf is left with inferior planes relative to what they need especially as they are outnumbered 3 to 1 in fourth gen fighters

Not inferior to that time but too complex fighter in terms of foreign relationship as what i understand US doesn't just sell weapon they sell there strategic agenda`s with these

 

[messiach]

Nothing offensive, just a reminder this debate has now lost its color and flavor.

Hi,

Goddangit---- " time and tide has left you " .

 

[MastanKhan]

Nothing offensive, just a reminder this debate has now lost its color and flavor.

Hi,

Thank you---you made that veru clear---.

So---what are we left with then!!!!!

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi,

Thank you---you made that veru clear---.

So---what are we left with then!!!!!

JF-17 Block-III without HMD/S

Seriously though, the only plane ACM Sohail Aman identified other than the JF-17 was new F-16s from the U.S. (see March 23 2017 interview).

 

[Falcon26]

@SherDil
@war&peace @Doordie @The Sandman I couldn't control my laughter

This had me chuckling as well.

 

[ghazi768]

JF-17 Block-III without HMD/S

Not necessarily.. wait for it..

Seriously though, the only plane ACM Sohail Aman identified other than the JF-17 was new F-16s from the U.S. (see March 23 2017 interview).

He identified and I think first time for a chief so openly that:
a) more JF-17s
b) A fifth gen fighter
c) Work had started on NGF
d) yes, negotiations for 8 or more F-16s are not permanently closed.

 

[ali_raza]

Hi,

Thank you---you made that veru clear---.

So---what are we left with then!!!!!

jf17

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Not necessarily.. wait for it..



He identified and I think first time for a chief so openly that:
a) more JF-17s
b) A fifth gen fighter
c) Work had started on NGF
d) yes, negotiations for 8 or more F-16s are not permanently closed.

The 5th-gen fighter was confusing. For a while I had thought that the 5th-gen fighter and next-gen fighter (NGF) were the same thing. But now, it is as though the ACM is looking to buy some 5th-gen fighter off-the-shelf and have PAC and Kamra Aviation City develop the NGF separately.

 

[Blue Marlin]

The 5th-gen fighter was confusing. For a while I had thought that the 5th-gen fighter and next-gen fighter (NGF) were the same thing. But now, it is as though the ACM is looking to buy some 5th-gen fighter off-the-shelf and have PAC and Kamra Aviation City develop the NGF separately.

thats weird, i read your piece on you site andi too thought there 2 fighters and it seems to be correct. i find it quiet strange to think pakistan is developing an ngf. i would imagine this would be a long term project post 2030s whilst the of the shelf fighter would be most likely be chinese with some form of tot to help aid the ngf.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

thats weird, i read your piece on you site andi too thought there 2 fighters and it seems to be correct. i find it quiet strange to think pakistan is developing an ngf. i would imagine this would be a long term project post 2030s whilst the of the shelf fighter would be most likely be chinese with some form of tot to help aid the ngf.

This is likely the case. I can't see them shuttering the JF-17 line anytime in the foreseeable future, so it's likely the Pakistani NGF will come in to basically replace the JF-17 way down the line. But the 5th-gen fighters on the table today are likely being sought to replace the F-16A/Bs. In regards to the off-the-shelf 5th-gen fighter, he said "talks with 2-3 countries" ... in any case, I think we'll find out more in a follow-up interview from Alan Warnes et. al.

In terms of new off-the-shelf fighters, why limit to 5th-gen designs? That's a very small pool of available jets. I wonder if what was meant was late 4.5-gen fighters such as the Typhoon Tranche 3, F-16 Block-70, Gripen NG, etc.

 

[MastanKhan]

This is likely the case. I can't see them shuttering the JF-17 line anytime in the foreseeable future, so it's likely the Pakistani NGF will come in to basically replace the JF-17 way down the line. But the 5th-gen fighters on the table today are likely being sought to replace the F-16A/Bs. In regards to the off-the-shelf 5th-gen fighter, he said "talks with 2-3 countries" ... in any case, I think we'll find out more in a follow-up interview from Alan Warnes et. al.

In terms of new off-the-shelf fighters, why limit to 5th-gen designs? That's a very small pool of available jets. I wonder if what was meant was late 4.5-gen fighters such as the Typhoon Tranche 3, F-16 Block-70, Gripen NG, etc.

Hi Bilal,

My man---when I listen to these comments from the ACM---this does not sound like a cash starved organization---.

Does it sound like that to you---?

 

[Blue Marlin]

This is likely the case. I can't see them shuttering the JF-17 line anytime in the foreseeable future, so it's likely the Pakistani NGF will come in to basically replace the JF-17 way down the line. But the 5th-gen fighters on the table today are likely being sought to replace the F-16A/Bs. In regards to the off-the-shelf 5th-gen fighter, he said "talks with 2-3 countries" ... in any case, I think we'll find out more in a follow-up interview from Alan Warnes et. al.

In terms of new off-the-shelf fighters, why limit to 5th-gen designs? That's a very small pool of available jets. I wonder if what was meant was late 4.5-gen fighters such as the Typhoon Tranche 3, F-16 Block-70, Gripen NG, etc.

it clearly mentions an of the self 5th gen fighter.
i will wait for mr warnes for the follow up.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

Hi Bilal,

My man---when I listen to these comments from the ACM---this does not sound like a cash starved organization---.

Does it sound like that to you---?

I wouldn't say they are abundantly flush in cash, but there's money available at the moment, it's mainly an issue of priorities. If they've paid off most or all of their prior payments (i.e. Erieye and F-16C/D) and see a drawing down in COIN ops in FATA (resulting in peace dividends from freed ops money), they might be reaching the decent early-to-mid 2000s phase. Looks like the part-2 of your epic is about to begin ... $3bn on Typhoon T3s ... or ... $3bn on 18 F-16V *with an option or 18 more*