Used F16's - EDA 50 ~ 100 Available

[MastanKhan]

@MastanKhan

Astronishing ruthless barrage of tirade , from Old member Mastan against every single brass of Pakistani airforce.
Well I think to great part there is certain over exageration and overly excessive in the comments.

First of all I think Pakistan Airforces and all the Military / Navy should be commended for timely upgrades in very difficult period between 80's and 2000 , itw as certainly a very dark period in Pakistani force. But they managed to to reinvent the whole force by great ambition and nurtured a force and Human Resources to develop some very technically Advance solutions in National Defence. While also being a valuable member of world community.

Example of Local Indegnious research and development:

• Al Khalid Tank
• Mushak Plane
  
• K-8
  
• JF-17 Thunder program
  
• Very complex Strategic programs for Missile Based Delivery System (Multi Tier and Multi platform solutions)
• Strategic Technology Partnership over decades Submarine Manufacturing and Frigate Development
  
• Nuclear Power plant safety and research initiatives
  
• Radars research and Indeigneous capabilities
  
• Civilian Sector PIA , engineering sector to service Large Planes

So with all due respect I do not agree 1% with your statement that the Pakistani Military and forces have been not focused on a strategic Self reliance mission to develop our National Defence on All fronts.


Now , I understand , during a period of time we inducted F-16 , which is still the most commonly used platform world wide. Like many 100 of nations the plane serves its defensive role with Paksitan Airforce

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So when you view the "FULL" context of thinking and Modernization I can say boldly Pakistani Military / Airforce and Navy have all made great strides - THANK YOU TO ALL SCIENTIST / ENGINEERS on their effort

Hi,

You missed the comments on the army and navy---read them again please---. My primary beef is with the air force---.

8 submarines is tactically a terrible order for the defense of Pakistan---it would have better to have been split with 1/2 for subs and 1/2 for surface and air fleet for the navy---to cover the weakness in a shorter time---.

You put the numbers up there for the aircraft---why don't you explain them a little more in relation to those of Iaf---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Few strategic moves by Pakistan Airforce and I am sure we will be back to scheduled modernization effort

Yes there is some unblance between the numerical numbers between PAF and India but I am sure PAF is thinking ahead for a reliable platform that can serve for 20 years - 30 years

 

[MastanKhan]

Few strategic moves by Pakistan Airforce and I am sure we will be back to scheduled modernization effort

Yes there is some unblance between the numerical numbers between PAF and India but I am sure PAF is thinking ahead for a reliable platform that can serve for 20 years - 30 years

Hi,

Really---.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Obviously we do have many choices

a) F16 EDA
b) F16 Jordanian
c) Mirage 2000/ uae / france / open market
d) J10B revival with now finished and polished better engine and new radar
e) JF17 Thunder Block 4, more rapid production line
f) Typoon
g) J31 or J20 depending on which platform is on offer or more complete
h) Own indegnious program prototype

 

[DJ_Viper]

Are you asking a question or going between your own questions and answers in your post? It didn't seem like you had a question. It was more like rambling with your own perception and ideas, rather then really projecting a real picture of the future.

 

[ghazi768]

Each time you get bored, ask yourself: "why do the Greeks, the Egyptians, the Emiratis all maintain both aircrafts" ?

It will give you so much to think about that you won't have time to get bored. AND after you are done with that think about this:

How do the use of these two types by Greeks, Egyptians, and Emiratis or any other a,b,c or x,y,z airforces makes it compulsory for PAF to do the same?

A platform plus its weapons and capabilities are inducted to do specific jobs, if an intended platform can not do that job than what is the use of inducting it?

We can discuss Greek, Egyptians strategies later but lets look at UEAF..

do they use M2K for interception/air superiority?
No, that is the job of F-16s (in respect of what UEAF can face from other side of Gulf) which have the best and better range BVRs, and in WVR combat still have no match to this day in term of BFM. M2K will largely provide a backup which is now even a better backup with MICAs.

Will they be used for SEAD/DEAD?
No, that again is job of your F-16s, except raptors/F-35, almost no other can beat them in this task. and you bought a sizeable amount of HARMs.

Will it be used for anti-shipping?
May be, but the biggest brunt still will be borne by a F-16 squadron armed with Harpoons.

M2K is your tactical strike option and a good one too..
UEAF using these two types in air defence/interdiction/tactical strike was an excellent decision and we know this because WE PLANNED IT AND KNEW OUR $HIT WELL..

For us, M2Ks could not do perform some tasks because of various reasons. For a time in our history, gravity bombs were the only serious delivery option..
SCALP is good but cannot match RAAD in terms of capability and options, also because you are not importing it but manufacturing them, no body knows how many you actually have and therefore cannot even reliably work out if they will only be for 'strategic' use or will be in enough numbers to use tactically 'gulf wars style'.. and those who think or spew on this forum that Army was not in tune with this are nothing but stupid gits...

 

[araz]

As anyone with a half a brain knows, having a sole supplier is always detrimental to your health. The JF17 is a good step, but something interim needs to come in. Possibly leasing aircrafts, or having 2 or 3 PLAAF squadrons permanently placed, would be a good idea, if no new platform is up for induction till the 5th Gen come in.

Never denied the need. The point raised was regarding tbe humility of buying from Israel. Anyways I still think for what it is worth that J10 brings nothing to the table for PAF. IF we are going down the 4.5 genration way then we either need a twin engined heavy aircraft or an interim solution which is probably the reason for PAF going for 2nd hand 16s. The risks are there for all to see however it is a perception of how long the war will last or how good is our capability to maintain our fleet. You may know this that PAF was offered 2nd hand block 32/42 which it refused. I think the problem remains one of fleet maintenance/ usage long enough for victory to become too expensive to the adversary.
My brother was in the civil engg section of UAE armed forces and over a 30 yr period helped design / construct both the M2k and the F16 facilities. There is a squash court in the M2K facility which owes its origins to an argument that he had with the French supervisor. He tells me the UAE armed forces have come a long way from being half baked to a decent air arm and fighter force. I wish our brothers all the best and hope they never have to give an ccount of their skills but if the time comes they do honour to their nation.
Regards

 

[araz]

Thank you for the -ve rating. My first one! I will really cherish it.

It was with a very heavy heart. I know you dont normally act like this and this post is unbecoming of a poster of your caliber. Please refrain from name calling and modify your post I will reverse my negative rating. I would much rather reserve it for less nicer beings. You really did act totally out of character.
Regards.
A

 

[Khafee]

It was with a very heavy heart. I know you dont normally act like this and this post is unbecoming of a poster of your caliber. Please refrain from name calling and modify your post I will reverse my negative rating. I would much rather reserve it for less nicer beings. You really did act totally out of character.
Regards.
A

Sorry, Not going to happen. I'm done debating with clueless armchair generals, and keyboard warriors. If Negative ratings, or a ban happens, so be it.

As some members will attest to, I do not comment on things, I'm not 100% sure about. On serious threads, that should be the rule. If you don't know something, leave it at that, don't speculate wildly, and go of on a tangent to prove how knowledgeable you are.

 

[araz]

Sorry, Not going to happen. I'm done debating with clueless armchair generals, and keyboard warriors. If Negative ratings, or a ban happens, so be it.

As some members will attest to, I do not comment on things, I'm not 100% sure about. On serious threads, that should be the rule. If you don't know something, leave it at that, don't speculate wildly, and go of on a tangent to prove how knowledgeable you are.

I respect that. However the rules of the forum are that you dont resort to name calling and rudeness. Iknow and appreciate the quality of your posts however on a web based forum you will have multiple diverse opinions ranging from the sublime to the ridiculous. You dont agree with it either refute it within the bounds of agreed norms or move on. Not everyone has the same level of knowledge about UAE forces as you but people cannot be stopped from venturing in their own opinions. Please do reconsider as it really annoys me having to take on good people when there are so many bad ones to deal with. This is a humble request from an old man who wants to see brothers getting along. Arguments there always will be but there should be a respect for each other none the less.
A

 

[The Eagle]

We must refrain from unethical posting as well as personal attacks by keeping in view of our title and seniority. If the same attitude continues, indeed there wouldn't be any difference among us being a serious poster or the one that has nothing to add. Kindly do practice with responsibility as well as maintain the decorum of forum by yourself though, such posting may damage the same rather than making it better. We must play our part to keep it tidy and clean as well as friendly and professional for the interest of readers and Forum quality as well.

We have to practice our power for betterment and still, by using the same, we can maintain decorum but doing so contrary to that, I think wouldn't be plausible nor productive for all of us. If a member is way out of line, rate it, report it, tag Mods as there are options for the title holders as a power to utilize for good as compare to regular members, which is granted to maintain the Forum but if we rather than doing the good, indulge into same mud throwing, there is no difference to make. We must practice with caution, being responsible and with serious attitude to make a difference otherwise, going to same level of irregular, non-serious poster etc, I don't think so there is much to say or will hold any impact/value of our posts.

In-case of disagreement, we can move on by agreeing to disagree being respectful. Also, it is the beauty of discussion that members comes with counter arguments for productivity and informative discussion so either we agree or not, make our point and move on but use of such language/words wouldn't prove anything.

Kindly maintain the decorum, be a Senior with the powers granted, practice the same to help maintain productive & qualitative environment on the Forum for all though, if we act irresponsible and non-serious then we cannot expect any better from others.

Thanks

 

[My-Analogous]

Sorry, Not going to happen. I'm done debating with clueless armchair generals, and keyboard warriors. If Negative ratings, or a ban happens, so be it.

As some members will attest to, I do not comment on things, I'm not 100% sure about. On serious threads, that should be the rule. If you don't know something, leave it at that, don't speculate wildly, and go of on a tangent to prove how knowledgeable you are.

Brother it is my request to you as well. I don't like that you have -ve. We all love you and respect you and we all know some clowns are here in PDF and they continuously do troll only, but it wouldn't change a thing. We respect and always love you no matter what. So I am requesting you please please alter changes so that -ve mark will disappear.

 

[Khafee]

Brother it is my request to you as well. I don't like that you have -ve. We all love you and respect you and we all know some clowns are here in PDF and they continuously do troll only, but it wouldn't change a thing. We respect and always love you no matter what. So I am requesting you please please alter changes so that -ve mark will disappear.

Thank you for your kind wishes, highly appreciated.

 

[My-Analogous]

paf pilots train on the jets which are deadliest threat to PAF which is SU30MKI....we train on su30mkk while indian pilots dont train on f16s ....this line is enough to explain u everything

You are wrong my friend and they did train in Singapore Air Force

Imagine this.

Su-35, built on western precision machinery.
The airf-rame, engine and avionics all redone on swiss machines.

Building a total of 200+ planes to be used by more than 5 countries !

Word born.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/u-a-e-to-build-russian-warplane-as-mideast-tensions-rise.479447/

Then why Russian, go for Swiss one if you are changing everything. Seriously what are you typing?

Wasting resources on more F-16s seems pointless. There is little chance for PAF to get F-16 Block 60, and frankly PAF needs to move on. Any few good used pieces coming PAF's way without spending too much money should be welcome. But, PAF budget should really be used to induct new fighters with at least AESA, HMD, & IRST and associated armament.

Instead of chasing F-16s, it would be far better to go pour all resources into JF-17 Block III and move the program along.

J-10, with its Delta Canard configuration should be considered seriously. Ever since Mirage induction, PAF has always had delta-winged fighters and they have certain advantages over cropped deltas like F-16 and JF-17. Though its good to have fewer types for reasons of cost and simplicity, any opposing force must not be able to presume the composition of the welcoming party so as to set up an engagement entirely to its preference (altitude, speed, configuration).

Good to see you back bro

 

[Sinnerman108]

You are wrong my friend and they did train in Singapore Air Force


Then why Russian, go for Swiss one if you are changing everything. Seriously what are you typing?

.. Me typing ..

Anyway, look around very well .. and see who may or may not sell you the line ..

Come back once you have narrowed down the list.