US, World powers arming India with top-notch weapons against Pakistan :: Asif

[T-72M1]

And just why not after all we learned it from our great neighbour.

that's just how the great game is, if it makes you feel better, India will never match up to the sheer numbers the Chinese can and will field either, man or machine.

bigger picture, the truth is that India does not want Pakistani land, keep KPK and AK, little to no political or military will for conquest here, we should just sign a border agreement and convert the LOC to and IB and everything will be fine, or, keep watching the enemy expand at a rate you are not going to be able to keep up with,

Pak should learn from China, who are so pragmatic, flexible and non-aggressionist with stuff like contested borders etc,


so diplomacy, not jihad, right ?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

We are buying these weapons -- every country can buy them

There is NO question of Western powers Arming India

 

[Super Falcon]

that is just a talking point, just optics, sprinklings, if you will.. the real issue with the F-16s is US taxpayer money subsidizing them. The Indian lobby just did what lobbyists do, this was well played by them.

For the rest, India is viewed largely as a benevolent regional power by the US, with Pakistan, its much more complicated, and you know the reasons for it being so..

Overall though, get used to it, India is the new flavor of the month/year/decade... globally. The good news for Pakistan is that India has no territorial ambition or plans for religious conquest of either the whole or parts of Pakistan.

India has to expand it's military to protect the economic engine, we have no choice, so this is not very different from the Chinese build up in that sense. Pakistan will, as a response also ramp up it's minimum deterrent capability, and that's all that is needed, no point bitching about us having bigger, better, greater in number toys.

Sorry to say who ever was become American favourite boy in region in few years usa kicked him in back

History Iran Iraq Libya Afghanistan and Pakistan are best examples india time to get some beating

Problem is usa giving favour over Pakistan to India just to put india in front against China as they did in 1st gulf war

They cannot match China in economy and in 2 years militarily also China has weapons which single handedly destroy US battle groups

South China Sea is slipping away from usa in future usa naval reconicense will be limited and no war ship can pass throw south China Sea and soon in Arabian Sea China will build its power with new aircraft carrier and type 055 destroyer better bigger powerful than usa zumerwelt destroyer

So it's end for us in few years along its allies

No one has ruled the world forever history tells it usa time is over

We are buying these weapons -- every country can buy them

There is NO question of Western powers Arming India

Question is why west never sold u in 90s era

 

[zeeshan Saadiq Khan]

Pakistan should immediately concentrate on jf17 block three and advance the deal for the purchase of 36 j10b to strengthen its defence.

 

[Djinn]

India is willing to pay full amount for its purchases. Money talks my friend.

If Pakistan decides to pay full amount of the F-16 Jet Fighters, it will get them.

Not true at all, it's not about money perhaps these primitive F-16's. But US has never been in favor of Pakistan acquiring high tech equipment, even if it was from other states e.g Gripen, Vera radar, Turkish gunships are the few examples i remember. Not to mention US even refused to give us defensive weapons like Patriots.

 

[zeeshan Saadiq Khan]

Pakistan army has done what was nearly impossible in Waziristan. Is Indian army really capable of doing that.

 

[ZAC1]

j-10B/C in PAF was my dream US is helping si that my dream comes true Hats off for Uncle SAm

 

[MilSpec]

Your contention in this case does not matter sire, the contention of India as a state is what really matters and even if the F-16s were to be completely paid by Pakistan, India would have moan, bitch the same. Not every thing that Pakistan buys is a direct result of so called subsidizing but the reaction from across the border remains the same. Remember how India tried to block the sale of RD-93 engines for JF-17? None of them were coming subsidized or anything of that sort.

That will remain my diplomatic due diligence. Knowing that Pakistan's defense doctrine unilaterally based on India, We will use our diplomatic clout or economic leverage to developments that are aimed towards the India. That is purely our due diligence, just like what you have been bitching and moaning about NSG waivers, it's your due diligence.

In short,
if Countries friendly to India Sell Military hardware to Pakistan, We will talk to the that country based on Bilateral ties we have with that country to cause hurdles. You can do the same
If countries friendly to India, Arm Pakistan, we will protest arming Pakistan against India, we will protest the action.
If countries like Russia, France and Israel with whom we have extensive business regarding defense articles sell to Pakistan, we will try our best to leverage our business dealing to block such activities, we might succeed in some we might fail in others.

That's how it is, 8 f16's blocked is 8 less f16's our armed forces have to plan against and contend with, it's just good work by the diplomats, which unfortunately you don't have.

 

[C130]

I wonder how Pakistan would react if U.S were to sell India 100+ F-35 Lightning IIs

 

[IndoUS]

I wonder how Pakistan would react if U.S were to sell India 100+ F-35 Lightning IIs

Mate it doesn't really matter, the issue at hand is that they can get the same things India is getting. They are making it sound like that US or west is suddenly against them. Which is not the case, US is willing to arm Pakistan also, the only difference being that they would like Pakistan to start offering more for the weapons, which I don't see a issue in. If you wish to compete then please by means buy what India is buying but don't blame other countries for your own lack of effort.

Sorry to say who ever was become American favourite boy in region in few years usa kicked him in back

History Iran Iraq Libya Afghanistan and Pakistan are best examples india time to get some beating

Problem is usa giving favour over Pakistan to India just to put india in front against China as they did in 1st gulf war

They cannot match China in economy and in 2 years militarily also China has weapons which single handedly destroy US battle groups

South China Sea is slipping away from usa in future usa naval reconicense will be limited and no war ship can pass throw south China Sea and soon in Arabian Sea China will build its power with new aircraft carrier and type 055 destroyer better bigger powerful than usa zumerwelt destroyer

So it's end for us in few years along its allies

No one has ruled the world forever history tells it usa time is over


Question is why west never sold u in 90s era

Why the answer is simple we had no money we were barely emerging from the economic crash and we were still considered by the west as a Pro Russian/Soviet Country.

As for the earlier, No country can force you to do something that you don't want to, Pakistan willingly accepted US offer. US basically looked after its interest of beating the Soviets and they did that. You were/are a nuclear power yet you gave other nation and organization full access to your land which in the end caused disaster in your country. Neither US nor the West can be blamed for that.

 

[BRAVO_]

I wonder how Pakistan would react if U.S were to sell India 100+ F-35 Lightning IIs

hopefully pakistan will come up with an answer like this

Since there is no immediate threat and india need time to procure the aircrafts therefore, Pakistan can easily execute the R&D with the help of china .. and its not about Pakistan frankly if some one is considering it a move against pakistan its totally wrong ... it is to countering china to enhancing its reach to middle east and beyond, chines have already started the construction of their first over seas bass in Djibouti.

and by the way plenty of Joint strike is on order but yet program is under evaluation and testing stages. if some one will order it now ... when delivery will be made no one know. but in china case trust me procurement will be very fast. and its all about making a war more expensive, not about wining or losing if pakistan will be crushed so doe the adversary as well. we should not emotional rather than be logical

 

[C130]

hopefully pakistan will come up with an answer of this

Since there is no immediate threat and india need time to procure the aircrafts therefore, Pakistan can easily execute the R&D with the help of china .. and its not about Pakistan frankly if some one is considering it a move against pakistan its totally wrong ... it is to countering china to enhancing its reach to middle east and beyond, chines have already started the construction of their first over seas bass in Djibouti.

China isn't buying the J-31 doesn't that make you suspicious as to why?

Is Pakistan going to buy it in large numbers?? and will China subsidize the cost.

 

[BRAVO_]

obviously this is the point i discussed earlier they are developing two aircrafts simultaneously, it is a scaled down copy of J-20, which offer more much integration room than other aicrafts coz they are developing it keeping in view the export market. and what else pakistan need? a sanction free 4.5/5th generation maintenance of which will be very less working horse similar to JF-17 and most of all a home grown product procurement of which could be control according to situations. after all this aircraft is also based upon the stolen technology of JSF

cost of one JSF is starting from 148 Million $ to 337 Million $ depending upon the specs compare to J-31

 

[HAIDER]

Defence Minister Khawaja Asif on Saturday said all the world powers including United States (US) were making India potent against Pakistan by supplying arms, ARY News reported.

“Our foreign policy has not failed because we do not solely rely on America,” he said while addressing a ceremony regarding Youm-e-Takbeer in Sialkot.

The minister lamented that US and other world powers were providing arms to India, while F-16 jets and military aid to Pakistan was being blocked despite its uncountable sacrifices in the war on terror.

Commenting on US drone strike in Noshki, Balochistan, Asif said the attack sabotaged Afghan peace process. “Afghanistan is still unstable as it was before 9/11,” he said.

He slammed that Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) chief Mullah Fazlullah, sitting back in Afghanistan, orchestrates massacre of innocent children in Pakistan, but the US takes no action against him.

This should be noted here that F-16 deal is said to have expired amid Pakistan-US row over finances. U.S. had said it would not be financing the sale of F-16 fighter jets to Pakistan after the U.S. Congress went against deal. In return, Pakistan said it will acquire jets from elsewhere if the US did not fund the purchase.

The relations between the two countries have got tensed since the US apparently violated Pakistan’s air space and killed Taliban chief Mullah Mansour Akhtar in Noshki, near Pakistan-Afghanistan border.

The defence minister said had Pakistan not been an atomic power, the world would not have let Pakistanis live.

India will ever catch China in technology . Chinese facing Western tech embargo , since 80s.

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Pak was the first country in South Asia to have 4th Gen fighter, Submarine, Maritime Reconnaissance aircraft, Artillery locating Radar etc etc.

All of these were/are US. So .......

even Pak had all this Pak never attack on India.. On the other had either its 48,65,71 or border attack india always on attacking mode..
we have to have first use policy intact other wise india is like scorpian riding on turtle in river.