US Veteran: We murdered 170 Vietnamese

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

All the sadder for Vietnam.

America is far away and China is a stone throws away. Short sightedness had Vietnam side with the Soviets. Will short sightedness have them side with the west?

I dont have much faith in Vietnam but Im sure they aren't THAT stupid.

Chinese and Vietnamese relationship is actually quite solid. Culture and blood.

People fight in the family all the time. Vietnam is a wayward child but will eventually come around as they always do.

 

[Song Hong]

Unfortunately, government propaganda on the 1000 years Bắc thuộc period has poisoned Vietnamese. No one see classical and medieval history on such distorted lens. There is no documentation of grave atrocities during Chinese dominant.

Using the standard of Vietnamese POV on Chinese dominant, every single major race in the world are responsible for genocide, especially anglo saxon (USA).

The USA WASP started off as bastards of savage Germans, who murdered the celts. Then bastard further with genocidal vikings, who went on killing spree on Britanica.

US conduct in Vietnam is despicable and atrocious, at today standard. No one is doing that.

Why is it 'sad'?

The dead remains dead and all we can do is remember them. However, the living have dual responsibilities: They are stewards of the present and must prepare the present for the future generation.

In terms of history, if we are to look at the scale of 'goods' vs 'benefits', then China is the worse. For France and the US, France was colonial master of Indochina for about 100 yrs, and the US military involvement in Viet Nam was about 25 yrs. Combined, theirs was a mere blip when compared against China's one thousand yrs of repeated invasion and subjugation of Viet Nam.

So if you do not like to look at it in terms of history, then looking at Viet Nam in the present still not make China the better choice. Remember, China just claimed the entirety of the South China Sea as territorial waters, effectively imprison most of Southeast Asia. So how is that better for Viet Nam, Laos, Cambodia, and Thailand?

 

[Song Hong]

I am from the North of Vietnam. Hoa and Kinhs were friendly with one another until one day, GoV decided to kick every Hoa out.

Vietnamese respect Confucius, and borrowed 70% of Chinese lexicon, celebrate Chinese New Year, Mid Autumn Festival, Ghost Festive....etc

The reason of Vietnamese hatred against China is government propaganda. It could be easily resolved as the two race are really close culturally.

Chinese and Vietnamese relationship is actually quite solid. Culture and blood.

People fight in the family all the time. Vietnam is a wayward child but will eventually come around as they always do.

 

[Viet]

Chinese and Vietnamese relationship is actually quite solid. Culture and blood.

People fight in the family all the time. Vietnam is a wayward child but will eventually come around as they always do.

We are not your wayward child.
if you don’t stop I make nasty comments on chinese.

 

[+4vsgorillas-Apebane]

We are not your wayward child.
if you don’t stop I make nasty comments on chinese.

What? like you don't make nasty comments on Chinese all the time?

One time you threatened to stab me in the face.

Chinese DNA and culture runs deep in Vietnam. Put a southern Chinese from Yunan next to a Viet and its hard to tell who came from where.

If Vietnam wants to join with outsiders to fight China so be it. China is right across the border and when a child behaves badly, the parents take out a stick. The stick will determine if the child goes to university to prosper or join a gang and monkey around.

 

[Viet]

What? like you don't make nasty comments on Chinese all the time?

One time you threatened to stab me in the face.

Chinese DNA and culture runs deep in Vietnam. Put a southern Chinese from Yunan next to a Viet and its hard to tell who came from where.

If Vietnam wants to join with outsiders to fight China so be it. China is right across the border and when a child behaves badly, the parents take out a stick.

Take care of your language
You insult us as kamikaze monkey.
Now as runaway child.

 

[Song Hong]

B52 carpet bombing west of Saigon. Reason why millions of Vietnamese died. Most civilian did not died as collateral of combat.

They died because US actions that is tantamount to genocide -- the indiscriminate bombing that kill no enemies but rather civilians.

 

[gambit]

So he signed a deal with the devil?

Tough times and limited choices. France would not let Vietnam go agreement or not. Western exploitation and atrocities knows no bounds.

Ho perceived that China was the worse option. Still, China managed to get into Viet Nam under the guise of Marxist brotherhood. Once in-country, Chinese troops proceeded to abuse the Viets just like their ancestors did. So please, spare us the soft pedaling about 'issues'.

 

[Song Hong]

Ho perceived that China was the worse option. Still, China managed to get into Viet Nam under the guise of Marxist brotherhood. Once in-country, Chinese troops proceeded to abuse the Viets just like their ancestors did. So please, spare us the soft pedaling about 'issues'.

Ho Chi Minh spoke about this in special context that Vietnam was supposed to be placed under charge of KMT after Japan surrender.

Viet Minh opposed it because else Vietnam could be annex by China.

Its easier to shake free from France than China.

 

[Viet]

B52 carpet bombing west of Saigon. Reason why millions of Vietnamese died. Most civilian did not died as collateral of combat.

They died because US actions that is tantamount to genocide -- the indiscriminate bombing that kill no enemies but rather civilians.

You can continue posting millions of war pics. That changes nothing. We are more interested of today and tomorrow than a war that ends 45 years ago. If the US offers prosperity and security to us why should we deny?

 

[Viet]

Saigon today

 

[Song Hong]

Saigon today


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There are lots of hot monies in HCMC, especially in real estate. And also finance, and oil. Other than that Mekong delta is very productive in agriculture.

Vietnam silicon valley is Song Hong plains, centered in Hanoi.

 

[Viet]

There are lots of hot monies in HCMC, especially in real estate. And also finance, and oil. Other than that Mekong delta is very productive in agriculture.

Vietnam silicon valley is Song Hong plains, centered in Hanoi.

Hot money bad?
I wish we can receive more hot money.
Saigon is Vietnam’s center of commerce.
Saigon’s Gdp per capita income will reach $10,000 this year.
Hanoi is years behind.

 

[bolo]

Chinese government doesn’t publish the PLA deaths and injuries either.

Most chinese don’t even know that the war between Vietnam and China exists.

As part of peace settlement both sides agreed not to mention anything.

Obviously you and most Vietnamese don't have a full understanding of the China Vietnam war. The PLA released its casualty figures. That's why professor Zhang Xiaoming was able to comprehensively wrote the Sino Vietnamese war . His biggest complaint was Vietnamese government still hiding the figures.

 

[Viet]

Obviously you and most Vietnamese don't have a full understanding of the China Vietnam war. The PLA released its casualty figures. That's why professor Zhang Xiaoming was able to comprehensively wrote the Sino Vietnamese war . His biggest complaint was Vietnamese government still hiding the figures.

Ok tell how many Pla men were killed says chinese government?

According to russian source, 62,500 PLA soldiers were killed during the first two week.

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