US spells out terms of engagement with Pakistan

[T-Rex]

We don't live in the law of jungle. There are rules.

At the moment the law of jungles is being imposed upon the weak by the permanent members of the SC, this the reality. This is why the UN needs meaningful reforms and if that becomes impossible another organization without the participation of the big powers should be formed to challenge this dubious organization. This is the only way to bring justice to this wicked world.

 

[Thorough Pro]

US is in no position to spell out anything. They are stuck in the quicksand of Afghanistan and there is no honourable way out for them except for Pakistans help. They have tried everything they could in the last decade and a half and they are still standing at square one.

You don't dictate your terms for someone to throw you a lifeline. We have not gained anything from our relationship with America ever. These back-stabber ditched us in 1971 war despite us being part of CETO and CENTO. They ditched us after withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan and they have already abandoned us despite our huge sacrifices and continuous support to this day. They have lied about the reimbursement of CSF as aid and have stopped that altogether.

They stopped deliveries of fully paid F-16's once, then again a few years back and now the Zulu's. They have proved themselves to be very dependable liars and back-stabbers. They can't keep their commitments and promises. They only need us to get out of Afghanistan. Once they are out of this mess they will definitely ditch us once again.

It is in the world's interest to keep them occupied in Afghanistan, otherwise, they will start a new war somewhere else within one year of getting out of Afghanistan.

They shove their terms of engagement up where their brains have descended. We will work for our interest.

I agree. Although I am big supporter of China but I think time has come to review every relationship. Nothing is holy and above review. This review must be informed by cold, hard analysis and guided by only Pakistan's self interest.

I am not sure anymore that the Sino/Pak friendship is fair. It appears to be tilted in China's favour. Pakistan has made terrible mistake of making itself to be taken as granted and thus reduced it's value. It's time Pakistan revisited the relationship with China. Pakistan probably lost the 1965 war partly thanks to China. That was in the past. But we can't let Pakistan suffer because of the China factor today. Beijing today has massive resources and it is time it supported Pakistan beyond the peanuts we get at the present time. Naya Pakistan must play USA and China against each other to get a "Naya Deal" that is substantive and makes real differance to this country of 200 million people.

 

[T-Rex]

Maybe. Even the UNSC is messed up.

You say maybe! I'm amazed!

 

[pzfz]

This is BS from Dawn because the objection was never withdrawn. This became more clearer after PM IK's Q & A will senior journalists, where the PM again said that he sticks with his version and that it never happened.

We have morons in the english media claiming that the state dept released the transcripts? like seriously? If IK is all about Pak's interests he needs to take action against fake news peddlers and psyop agents in the "free" and "pillar of the state" media in Pak. It's compromised. We know the generals are either too dumb, incompetent, or lazy to do it.

 

[IceCold]

We have morons in the english media claiming that the state dept released the transcripts? like seriously? If IK is all about Pak's interests he needs to take action against fake news peddlers and psyop agents in the "free" and "pillar of the state" media in Pak. It's compromised. We know the generals are either too dumb, incompetent, or lazy to do it.

In due time this will be done. The black sheeps within the media needs to be exposed and than dealth with.

 

[pzfz]

US is in no position to spell out anything. They are stuck in the quicksand of Afghanistan and there is no honourable way out for them except for Pakistans help. They have tried everything they could in the last decade and a half and they are still standing at square one.

You don't dictate your terms for someone to throw you a lifeline. We have not gained anything from our relationship with America ever. These back-stabber ditched us in 1971 war despite us being part of CETO and CENTO. They ditched us after withdrawal of Soviet troops from Afghanistan and they have already abandoned us despite our huge sacrifices and continuous support to this day. They have lied about the reimbursement of CSF as aid and have stopped that altogether.

They stopped deliveries of fully paid F-16's once, then again a few years back and now the Zulu's. They have proved themselves to be very dependable liars and back-stabbers. They can't keep their commitments and promises. They only need us to get out of Afghanistan. Once they are out of this mess they will definitely ditch us once again.

It is in the world's interest to keep them occupied in Afghanistan, otherwise, they will start a new war somewhere else within one year of getting out of Afghanistan.

They shove their terms of engagement up where their brains have descended. We will work for our interest.

That's all fine and stuff, but why couldn't the new government signal it's own terms of engagement or narrative? We know the u.s. is playing to their domestic gallery of sounding all tough and trying to set a tone, but why can't the FO/FM do the same? It's high time there is a strategic communications manager in the Pak govt that can at the very least not make all govts look out to be either fools or appeasers - therein by inviting all the emotional threats, false bravado and populist overreactions that Pakistanis love to trot out.

These can't be termed as talks there will be orders and accusation from one side and rebuttals and defence from the other.

Always on the defensive with rebuttals. That's the fault of Pakistan and no one else.

 

[Verve]

withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan

This has never been the intention of the US Deep State. Chaos is required in the region to stop China's trade route. All wars are over trade routes and natural resources, Afghan war is no different.

Washington has serious concerns about Pakistan’s growing economic ties with China

That's the crux of it. US official & declared policy is to contain China and Pakistan is a thorn in the implementation of that policy.

 

[Storm Force]

USA has never wanted your alliance .
They always wanted India as their main south Asian ally and pivot.

There desire was India

You people are not needed now .
Thanks to USA Israel they have India in their camp .

India is even moving away from Russia in favour of USA . This will continue to evolve post trump and was started by Clinton .

You Pakistanis wil have to rely on China now .

USA will dictate terms you will not change ththis

 

[Verve]

USA will dictate terms you will not change ththis

When there is zero leverage, one can't dictate terms.

Leverage is with Pakistan that can block air space for USA, and give Chinese navy a base near Gwadar to protect their trade route. Then a stalemate. Bombing us to stone ages is no more, just like we will do no more.

India will attack Pakistan, that's the only inevitable solution left for USA is to push India towards this stupidity.

 

[IceCold]

USA will dictate terms you will not change ththis

Says an Indian!

 

[Asian.Century]

Deal with US separately for terrorism and economy: as

Mr Schriver was asked question about the Pakistani economy, Mr Schriver said: “I don’t have a good answer on the economic difficulties and challenges that Pakistan finds itself in. What I can say is, if you look at other examples where countries went all-in or largely-in with China, the results have not been particularly good. There has been an erosion of sovereignty and an erosion of control. There are many examples of that.”

The US, he said, was willing to help Pakistan.

“So, if our friends in Pakistan want to talk about a way out of that or want to talk about ways to strengthen their economy and deal with that, I am sure we would be open to that in trying to work with Pakistan — bilaterally or through international institutions — to try to get them on a better path,” he said.

 

[Storm Force]

When there is zero leverage, one can't dictate terms.

Leverage is with Pakistan that can block air space for USA, and give Chinese navy a base near Gwadar to protect their trade route. Then a stalemate. Bombing us to stone ages is no more, just like we will do no more.

India will attack Pakistan, that's the only inevitable solution left for USA is to push India towards this stupidity.

India will attack if it is needed too do so to. Safeguard national security IE kargil or Bangladesh 1971 being good examples.

India will not be hired gun for USA no matter how much USA hardware we buy from them.

Your break down with USA is your culture and national needs do not align with USA

That's no ones fault

 

[mingle]

India will attack if it is needed too do so to. Safeguard national security IE kargil or Bangladesh 1971 being good examples.

India will not be hired gun for USA no matter how much USA hardware we buy from them.

Your break down with USA is your culture and national needs do not align with USA

That's no ones fault

Bas kerday Bahi tujh say nahi hoga Yeh.Go fix ur toilets stop trolling.

 

[Verve]

India will attack if it is needed too do so to. Safeguard national security IE kargil or Bangladesh 1971 being good examples.

India will not be hired gun for USA no matter how much USA hardware we buy from them.

Your break down with USA is your culture and national needs do not align with USA

That's no ones fault

PALTU KUTTA is more appropriate for India, not 'hired gun'.

 

[Leviza]

USA has never wanted your alliance .
They always wanted India as their main south Asian ally and pivot.

There desire was India

You people are not needed now .
Thanks to USA Israel they have India in their camp .

India is even moving away from Russia in favour of USA . This will continue to evolve post trump and was started by Clinton .

You Pakistanis wil have to rely on China now .

USA will dictate terms you will not change ththis

Are you mad or high on drugs ?
USA is trying its best to get Pakistan in their camp out of china and Russia..

We have a new gov in place... USA just trying its luck to see how this new gov react etc.
USA is big time stuck in Afghanistan... they are not asking indian help to get out of it, they are asking Pakistan's help... eventually they will pay what Pakistan demands as Pakistan is in the higher bargain position now....

just keep watching the history is being made again by Pakistan...