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Manchus are not foreigners, we/they are Chinese.

Beijing is the hometown for most Manchus, is Beijing a foreign land? The word Mandarin comes from Manchu.

Mandarin is a mixt of ancient Han language and Manchu language.
https://yuyencia.org/2017/02/13/北京土话中的满语对照表/

Yeah sure sure that suited you lot, Nurhaci himself proclaimed himself as the sure khundule Khan in 1603 speak a lot about his foreign Mongolian /Tungusic style of historical roots when conquering the Ming.

Sri Vijaya from Palembang speaking a different language conquered you guys.

Sri Vijaya is Malay kingdom and they are the roots of Javanese Mataram Kingdom and they speak the same language with the Mataram. Sure sure you know nothing about our history.
 
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Yeah sure sure that suited you lot, Nurhaci himself proclaimed himself as the sure khundule Khan in 1603 speak a lot about his foreign Mongolian /Tungusic style of historical roots when conquering the Ming.
In 1603 there were no Russia, no US, can you deny their today's legitimacy just based on some event happened in 1603?
 
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You need to learn history more.

What you call manchuria land already use Chinese languange and writing system since Liao Dynasty era. A thousands year ago

Qing Dynasty itself also promoting Chinese Languange and writing system (known as Mandarin) to all over China

LOL thousands of years. Dont spread lies here. Manchu started to rule China in 1600. They adopted Chinese language to make it easy for them to control China.

Manchu is seen as foreigners even until 1912, the end of their rule

Anti-Qing sentiment
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"Anti-Manchu sentiment" redirects here. For specific hatred against Manchu people, see Anti-Manchuism.

Sun Yat-sen, one of the leaders of the Xinhai Revolution which overthrew the Qing dynasty in 1912. Photo taken in 1907

Anti-Qing sentiment (Chinese: 反清; pinyin: fǎn Qīng) refers to a sentiment principally held in China against Manchu rule during the Qing dynasty (1636–1912), which was criticized by opponents as being barbaric. The Qing was accused of destroying traditional Han culture by forcing Han to wear their hair in a queue in the Manchu style. It was blamed for suppressing Chinese science, causing China to be transformed from the world's premiere power to a poor, backwards nation. The people of the Eight Banners lived off government pensions unlike the general Han civilian population.

The rallying slogan of anti-Qing activists was "Fǎn Qīng fù Míng" (simplified Chinese: 反清复明; traditional Chinese: 反清復明; literally: "Oppose Qing and restore Ming"), related to the Boxer Rebellion slogan "Revive the Qing and destroy the foreigners" ("扶清滅洋 fú Qīng miè yáng").

In the broadest sense, an anti-Qing activist was anyone who engaged in anti-Manchu direct action. This included people from many mainstream political movements and uprisings, such as Taiping Rebellion, the Xinhai Revolution, the Revolt of the Three Feudatories, the Revive China Society, the Tongmenghui, the Panthay Rebellion, White Lotus Rebellion, and others.

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Anti-Manchuism (Chinese: 排滿) refers to sentiment which is held against the Manchus, or sentiment which was held against the Qing Dynasty's rule over Chinese civilization which was often resented for supposedly being a barbaric regime which ruled over Chinese civilization despite a high degree of cultural integration by the Manchus. This ethnic-based[citation needed] sentiment tended to be a subset of the greater anti-Qing sentiment. Some of the anti-Manchuists in the Qing dynasty stated "Fan qing fu ming" (simplified Chinese: 反清复明; traditional Chinese: 反清復明) to say they want to rebuild the Ming dynasty and overthrow the Qing dynasty.

Sun Yat Sen, who overthrew the Qing Dynasty and founded the Chinese Republic, proclaimed this when he launched his rebellion against the Qing Dynasty which was led by Manchus and ruled all of China from 1644 to 1911:

In order to restore our national independence, we must first restore the Chinese nation. In order to restore the Chinese nation, we must drive the barbarian Manchus back to the Changbai Mountains. In order to get rid of the barbarians, we must first overthrow the present tyrannical, dictatorial, ugly, and corrupt Qing government. Fellow countrymen, a revolution is the only means to overthrow the Qing government!

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Taiping Rebellion
Main articles: Taiping Rebellion and Taiping Heavenly Kingdom

A drawing of Hong Xiuquan as the "Heavenly King" (ca. 1860)

Hong Xiuquan (洪秀全, Hóng Xiùquán) was a Hakka Chinese who was the leader of the Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864) against the Qing dynasty. He proclaimed himself to be the Heavenly King, established the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and called Jesus Christ his brother.[citation needed]

Genocide and extermination of Manchus
Driven by their fierce hatred of Manchus, the Taiping launched a massive genocide campaign against the Manchus to exterminate their entire race.

The genocide of Manchus was incredible, in every area they captured, the Taiping immediately rushed into the Manchu fort in order to kill all the Manchus. One Qing loyalist observed in the province of Hunan of the genocidal massacres committed by Taiping forces against the Manchus and wrote of the "pitiful Manchus", the Manchu men, women and children who were exterminated by the Taiping with their swords. Once Hefei capitulated, the Taiping forces rushed into the Manchu quarter shouting "Kill the demons (Manchus)!" while exterminating all the Manchus living there. Ningbo's entire Manchu population was also annihilated.[12]

After conquering Nanjing, Taiping forces stormed the Manchu fort, killing some 40,000 Manchus, which was the city's entire population of Manchus.[13] On 27 October 1853 they crossed the Yellow River in T'sang-chou and butchered about 10,000 Manchus.[14] In Shaoxing 2,000 Manchus were also killed.[15]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Qing_sentiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Manchuism
 
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LOL thousands of years. Dont spread lies here. Manchu started to rule China in 1600. They adopted Chinese language to make it easy for them to control China.

Manchu is seen as foreigners even until 1912, the end of their rule
By some revolutionaries, but not all the people, most people still believed they were China even back then. and that was over a century ago. Today Manchus and Hans are no different.
 
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Indonesian surrender to Dutch and British without fighting.

LOL thousands of years. Dont spread lies here. Manchu started to rule China in 1600. They adopted Chinese language to make it easy for them to control China.

Manchu is seen as foreigners even until 1912, the end of their rule

Anti-Qing sentiment
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to navigation Jump to search
"Anti-Manchu sentiment" redirects here. For specific hatred against Manchu people, see Anti-Manchuism.

Sun Yat-sen, one of the leaders of the Xinhai Revolution which overthrew the Qing dynasty in 1912. Photo taken in 1907

Anti-Qing sentiment (Chinese: 反清; pinyin: fǎn Qīng) refers to a sentiment principally held in China against Manchu rule during the Qing dynasty (1636–1912), which was criticized by opponents as being barbaric. The Qing was accused of destroying traditional Han culture by forcing Han to wear their hair in a queue in the Manchu style. It was blamed for suppressing Chinese science, causing China to be transformed from the world's premiere power to a poor, backwards nation. The people of the Eight Banners lived off government pensions unlike the general Han civilian population.

The rallying slogan of anti-Qing activists was "Fǎn Qīng fù Míng" (simplified Chinese: 反清复明; traditional Chinese: 反清復明; literally: "Oppose Qing and restore Ming"), related to the Boxer Rebellion slogan "Revive the Qing and destroy the foreigners" ("扶清滅洋 fú Qīng miè yáng").

In the broadest sense, an anti-Qing activist was anyone who engaged in anti-Manchu direct action. This included people from many mainstream political movements and uprisings, such as Taiping Rebellion, the Xinhai Revolution, the Revolt of the Three Feudatories, the Revive China Society, the Tongmenghui, the Panthay Rebellion, White Lotus Rebellion, and others.

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Anti-Manchuism (Chinese: 排滿) refers to sentiment which is held against the Manchus, or sentiment which was held against the Qing Dynasty's rule over Chinese civilization which was often resented for supposedly being a barbaric regime which ruled over Chinese civilization despite a high degree of cultural integration by the Manchus. This ethnic-based[citation needed] sentiment tended to be a subset of the greater anti-Qing sentiment. Some of the anti-Manchuists in the Qing dynasty stated "Fan qing fu ming" (simplified Chinese: 反清复明; traditional Chinese: 反清復明) to say they want to rebuild the Ming dynasty and overthrow the Qing dynasty.

Sun Yat Sen, who overthrew the Qing Dynasty and founded the Chinese Republic, proclaimed this when he launched his rebellion against the Qing Dynasty which was led by Manchus and ruled all of China from 1644 to 1911:

In order to restore our national independence, we must first restore the Chinese nation. In order to restore the Chinese nation, we must drive the barbarian Manchus back to the Changbai Mountains. In order to get rid of the barbarians, we must first overthrow the present tyrannical, dictatorial, ugly, and corrupt Qing government. Fellow countrymen, a revolution is the only means to overthrow the Qing government!

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Taiping Rebellion
Main articles: Taiping Rebellion and Taiping Heavenly Kingdom

A drawing of Hong Xiuquan as the "Heavenly King" (ca. 1860)

Hong Xiuquan (洪秀全, Hóng Xiùquán) was a Hakka Chinese who was the leader of the Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864) against the Qing dynasty. He proclaimed himself to be the Heavenly King, established the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom and called Jesus Christ his brother.[citation needed]

Genocide and extermination of Manchus
Driven by their fierce hatred of Manchus, the Taiping launched a massive genocide campaign against the Manchus to exterminate their entire race.

The genocide of Manchus was incredible, in every area they captured, the Taiping immediately rushed into the Manchu fort in order to kill all the Manchus. One Qing loyalist observed in the province of Hunan of the genocidal massacres committed by Taiping forces against the Manchus and wrote of the "pitiful Manchus", the Manchu men, women and children who were exterminated by the Taiping with their swords. Once Hefei capitulated, the Taiping forces rushed into the Manchu quarter shouting "Kill the demons (Manchus)!" while exterminating all the Manchus living there. Ningbo's entire Manchu population was also annihilated.[12]

After conquering Nanjing, Taiping forces stormed the Manchu fort, killing some 40,000 Manchus, which was the city's entire population of Manchus.[13] On 27 October 1853 they crossed the Yellow River in T'sang-chou and butchered about 10,000 Manchus.[14] In Shaoxing 2,000 Manchus were also killed.[15]

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Qing_sentiment

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Manchuism
 
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In 1603 there were no Russia, no US, can you deny their today's legitimacy just based on some happened in 1603?

Sure sure, Manchu is not foreigner to the Han Ming population when Dorgon defeat the Li Zicheng rebel forces after accepting Wu Sangui invitation

Indonesian surrender to Dutch and British without fighting.

Meanwhile Han Chinese inviting foreign forces to conquering them
 
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Now we only see her as a 北京妞, (Beijing local for generations with heavy Beijing accent), not a Manchu girl. Beijing is the biggest hometown for Manchu people.

 
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They all became part of China during the past 5 hundred years and this trend continues..

Ming army invaded into Manchurian was temprally. Its considering the time of conflicts between two country.

At the end of conflicts Manchurian had dominated on you Han Chinese.
 
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Sure sure, Manchu is not foreigner to the Han Ming population when Dorgon defeat the Li Zicheng rebel forces after accepting Wu Sangui invitation
We are talking about now, not Ming dynasty, Manchus are not foreigners now, we are the same now. what else do you want to know?
 
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Indonesian surrender to Dutch and British without fighting.

LOL of course we fought, but separately as we have different kingdom at that time. The colonization were done step by step and even Aceh is still independent until 1904.

Aceh War
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For the 1976–2005 insurgency, see Insurgency in Aceh.
Aceh War


The Aceh War (Indonesian: Perang Aceh), also known as the Dutch War or the Infidel War (1873–1904), was an armed military conflict between the Sultanate of Aceh and the Kingdom of the Netherlands which was triggered by discussions between representatives of Aceh and the United States in Singapore during early 1873.[8] The war was part of a series of conflicts in the late 19th century that consolidated Dutch rule over modern-day Indonesia.

The campaign drew controversy in the Netherlands as photographs and accounts of the death toll were reported. Isolated bloody insurgencies continued as late as 1914[1] and less violent forms of Acehnese resistance continued to persist until World War II and the Japanese occupation.
 
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Sure sure, Manchu is not foreigner to the Han Ming population when Dorgon defeat the Li Zicheng rebel forces after accepting Wu Sangui invitation
If you trace back further more, you can claim that I m from State of Yan 燕国(Beijing), even people from Hebei, Beijing's only neighboring province with one hour drive from Beijing, are foreigners to us.
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Manchu conquering the Han Ming dynasty under Nurhaci and his son Hong Taiji (their name is not Han at all), they are not democratically elected by people of the Ming to come and lead them as you suggest comparison of Balinese become Indonesian presiden. The Manchu came with forces and led the destruction of Ming.

You got it wrong.

China is not only about Han. China itself consists of multiple ethnic group.
And war in the past between those ethnic doesn't mean they are not part of China

In the past there is a bitter war between Javanese Majapahit and Sundanese Padjajaran, but that doesn't mean Sundanese Padjajaran is not part of Indonesia, right?
 
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Not all of it, Guangdong and Guangxi used to be part of ancient Vietnam, but now they are firmly, undisputedly part of China.

You are right. we have liberated only on the southern part of Nan Yue Guo, where the Kinh People is dominated, so why Ho Chi Minh has named the country with Vietnam.

The rest part of Nan Yue Guo's liberation affair is the responsibility of Qungxi and Cantonese people.
 
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Go back to SCS.

Basically there is nothing US can do militarily in SCS. China already gained supremacy. That is why USA is retreating to Guam.
 
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Sure sure, Manchu is not foreigner to the Han Ming population when Dorgon defeat the Li Zicheng rebel forces after accepting Wu Sangui invitation
Do you know why China has 31 provinces? They were not arbitrarily drawn by the government, they were based on the history when all those provinces were independent countries thousands of years ago, that's why each Chinese province still has their own unique culture, languae, cuisines...

You are right. we have liberated only on the southern part of Nan Yue Guo, where the Kinh People is dominated, so why Ho Chi Minh has named the country with Vietnam.

The rest part of Nan Yue Guo's liberation affair is the responsibility of Qungxi and Cantonese people.he rest part of Nan Yue Guo's liberation affair is the responsibility of Qungxi and Cantonese people.
You believe Guangdong and Guangxi people want to join Vietnam?
 
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