US Navy proposing major show of force to warn China

[Feng Leng]

The interceptor in that image (which I shared) is SM-6, and it have not failed in any test.

In fact, SM-6 have defeated DF-21D type targets in two seperate (lesser-known) tests.

An aircraft carrier won't be a stationary target in the ocean, like that stationary target in the Gobi desert (China's test). Another thing is how many TEL for DF-21D and where each is positioned. USAF have extremely sophisticated satellites to check where each is positioned and long-range standoff munition (~2500 KM range) to take them out from safe distance. And they have stealth-unmasking technologies to counter Chinese J-20 Jets (top-secret).

War with US is not a joke, my Chinese friend. It is not as simple as pressing a button, launching some DF-21D, and then you win. You risk loosing everything instead.

Sometimes I wonder whether Chinese are smart or over-confident.

I am giving you guys a favor by letting you know certain realities. I give you guys the benefit of doubt. Americans will not.

We don't need your favors. The last time we spanked the Americans so hard the survivors went home crying to their mommies. The Americans know they have nothing to counter our ASBM. That's why they retreated with tail between legs instead of escalating the conflict. All they are good at is media propaganda -- making naive suckers think reality is like their Hollywood movies.

 

[gambit]

We don't need your favors. The last time we spanked the Americans so hard the survivors went home crying to their mommies. The Americans know they have nothing to counter our ASBM. That's why they retreated with tail between legs instead of escalating the conflict. All they are good at is media propaganda -- making naive suckers think reality is like their Hollywood movies.

VN was not a regional power and the Viets spanked you in 1979. And here you are talking about taking on US.

 

[haidian]

VN was not a regional power and the Viets spanked you in 1979. And here you are talking about taking on US.

I think they spanked you and that war changed your nation, You lost two wars to small nations in East Asia in 20 years, stop dreaming about taking someone much bigger.

 

[Feng Leng]

VN was not a regional power and the Viets spanked you in 1979. And here you are talking about taking on US.

LOL Vietnam was spanked by China so hard even today their leader is pro-China Nguyen Phu Truong. Their leadership remembers the spanking vividly. Overseas Vietnamese are just loud mouthed jokers. No offense, gambit

 

[Feng Leng]

http://zeenews.india.com/world/phil...e-embroiled-in-us-china-sea-spat-2075198.html

Philippines tells USA to beat it!

 

[hoangsa74]

The U.S sail and fly up and down the SCS into the Paracels and Spratly with impunity; that's the difference between the U.S Navy and chinese navy. The U.S navy can bring an armada to the Chinese coast while the Chinese navy is not capable of doing so to the U.S.

Like I have said, the Chinese navy needs to prove its capability by first defeating the Vietnamese navy and capture the Spratly island, second, defeat the Taiwan navy to capture Taiwan, third, defeat the Japanese navy to capture senkaku, fourth, defeat the indian navy in the indian ocean...…………..then dream about taking on the U.S navy …..you third worlder

 

[Feng Leng]

The U.S sail and fly up and down the SCS into the Paracels and Spratly with impunity; that's the difference between the U.S Navy and chinese navy. The U.S navy can bring an armada to the Chinese coast while the Chinese navy is not capable of doing so to the U.S.

Like I have said, the Chinese navy needs to prove its capability by first defeating the Vietnamese navy and capture the Spratly island, second, defeat the Taiwan navy to capture Taiwan, third, defeat the Japanese navy to capture senkaku, fourth, defeat the indian navy in the indian ocean...…………..then dream about taking on the U.S navy …..you third worlder

Try to overthrow your pro-China Nguyen Phu Truong first

 

[Realtalk108]

There is no aggression. You asked for a spanking and you got one. We gave you exactly what you wanted when you boasted about your sub-Mekong shupa powa. You should appreciate China's lesson taught.

I am curious. Why did China attack Vietnam? China helped Vietnam against US. What was the key reason? What changed?

There are two winning points in a given argument. One is winning by proving superior morality. The other is proving superior might so even if the opponent is morally correct, it doesn't matter when presenting a view of "might makes right". When it comes to the argument of "might makes right" and only making the argument for the sake of winning a contest in the eyes of others to prove to be stronger rather then having a discussion to discover who is stronger regardless of the interest of the parties, then the actual strength in reality does not matter.

You, my friend, have realized the true essence of "Arguing on the Internet".

the rape was identified as not constructive to Japanese efforts

You don't say!!!

 

[LeGenD]

I know you are good at selective report. DF-21D is designed to hit moving target. Given carrier is such a big target, its difficult to miss.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/here...er-killer-missiles.450083/page-2#post-8737725

Go read my post and its tested on a decommission Jiangwei frigate.

If somebody claim ASBM is some fake stuff. check it out Iran tested exercise. Mind you, this is Iran. China DF-21D will be much sophisticated and accurate against moving ships.

I try to be objective in my comments. I might have missed something in my assessment but my intent is not to be selective.

The DF-21D test I am aware of is the one which took place in the Gobi desert on a large stationary platform in 2013 (representing a stationary aircraft carrier).

There is another and it is similar in execution and similar target set.

I did not come across evidence of a test in which a moving naval ship was involved, and struck successfully.

A ballistic missile have limited capacity for potential maneuvers, and it does not match a cruise missile in accuracy factor either. A cruise missile is the best choice to strike a moving target.

DF-21D is more of a propaganda weapon then being a practical weapon for its intended role. Americans have developed and tested similar stuff, so they know. They understand the game and potential stakes.

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Iran have sufficient knowhow to develop both passive radar-guided and active radar-guided ASBM such as Khalij Fars and Hormuz 2 respectively.

Test of Khalij Fars ASBM:-

It struck a stationary target in the sea.

Iran tested two Hormuz 2 ASBM in 2017. 1st ASBM missed its target. 2nd ASBM struck a floating barge. Confirmation here: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...aunched-ballistic-missiles-us-officials-claim

You were saying?

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Iranian ASBM tests are more realistic than Chinese but both have yet to test an ASBM on a truly realistic target which would be moving much faster and well-guarded on top.

We don't need your favors. The last time we spanked the Americans so hard the survivors went home crying to their mommies. The Americans know they have nothing to counter our ASBM. That's why they retreated with tail between legs instead of escalating the conflict. All they are good at is media propaganda -- making naive suckers think reality is like their Hollywood movies.

Korean War (1950 - 1953)?

China dispatched a huge force to save North Korea from dissolution at the hands of US - certainly an achievement. However, US had much of its forces stationed in Europe and Japan at the time and was not expecting Chinese intervention in the Korean War.

US will take China seriously this time, and only misinformed individuals would underestimate its military prowess in current times.

Regarding the highlighted part in your comments:

"The SM-6 was successfully tested by the U.S. Navy in December 2016 against a target representative of the DF-21D."

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/chinas-newest-weapons-of-war/3/

Two intercepts actually - independent assessment. However, these tests are classified to large extent.

 

[gambit]

I think they spanked you and that war changed your nation, You lost two wars to small nations in East Asia in 20 years, stop dreaming about taking someone much bigger.

What YOU think is worth zero. Outside of China, no military academy teaches that the PLA was tactically successful in that 1979 border war. But then again, since you never served the PLA, not even as a lowly conscript, what would you know other than what the Party spoon feeds you.

We are looking at an open water battlefield here. Each combatant -- the ship -- is essentially without support in the sense that each captain must accomplish his assigned mission with what he has on hands without relying on others.

US Vice Admiral Tom Rowden put it this way: “Sea control does not mean command of all the seas, all the time. Rather, it is the capability and capacity to impose localized control of the sea when and where it is required to enable other objectives and to hold it as long as necessary to accomplish those objectives,”

The USN have over 200 yrs of that experience. Your PLAN have next to zero.

Technologies enabled new tactics and the USN have a continuous evolution of both. Your PLAN have practically no foundation upon which to use the shiny new toys it has. China is a land power, despite access to the seas and even that access are interfered by other countries. Whereas, the US have unrestrained access to the Atlantic and Pacific oceans that shaped naval strategies and tactics in ways China have difficulties envision. The US is a true sea power on the planet that is %70 water covered.

So who is really dreaming here? YOU.

 

[艹艹艹]

Sometimes I wonder whether Chinese are smart or over-confident.

It's called determination and will.
Please recall the " Korean War"，Sino - Soviet ，Sino - Vietnam ，Sino -Indian

 

[Viva_Viet]

It's called determination and will.
Please recall the " Korean War"，Sino - Soviet ，Sino - Vietnam ，Sino -Indian

how abt latest conflict in 2014 ? when Vnese spank Cnese-Twese so hard ( more than 20 Cnese dead, thousand Cnese-Twese beaten up, zero Vnese casulaty) coward and uselessCneee navy and coast guard lost againt Vnese small coast guard forces and had to withdraw the big oil rig

btw, When reading abt 1979 conflict ppl only see that even Deng lick US's azz so hard and begged for Intel from US spy bird in 1979, PLa still defeated humiliatelly by VN militia and border guards and fled back before VN regular amry came back from Camb and Laos

Even if u guys think that 1979 is a victory on your side, then who deserve a reward ? useless PLA or US spy bird ???

 

[艹艹艹]

how abt latest conflict in 2014 ? when Vnese spank Cnese-Twese so hard ( more than 20 Cnese dead, thousand Cnese-Twese beaten up, zero Vnese casulaty) coward and uselessCneee navy and coast guard lost againt Vnese small coast guard forces and had to withdraw the big oil rig

btw, When reading abt 1979 conflict ppl only see that even Deng lick US's azz so hard and begged for Intel from US spy bird in 1979, PLa still defeated humiliatelly by VN militia and border guards and fled back before VN regular amry came back from Camb and Laos

Even if u guys think that 1979 is a victory on your side, then who deserve a reward ? useless PLA or US spy bird ???

Poor Vietnamese

 

[zectech]

Why doesn't China or Russia stage a major show of force in the Gulf of Mexico on the same day, if they pull out, you pull out.

China should seek to have a naval base in Cuba in exchange for billions of euro in Cuban good being sold in China.

 

[Beast]

I try to be objective in my comments. I might have missed something in my assessment but my intent is not to be selective.

The DF-21D test I am aware of is the one which took place in the Gobi desert on a large stationary platform in 2013 (representing a stationary aircraft carrier).

There is another and it is similar in execution and similar target set.

I did not come across evidence of a test in which a moving naval ship was involved, and struck successfully.

A ballistic missile have limited capacity for potential maneuvers, and it does not match a cruise missile in accuracy factor either. A cruise missile is the best choice to strike a moving target.

DF-21D is more of a propaganda weapon then being a practical weapon for its intended role. Americans have developed and tested similar stuff, so they know. They understand the game and potential stakes.

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Iran have sufficient knowhow to develop both passive radar-guided and active radar-guided ASBM such as Khalij Fars and Hormuz 2 respectively.

Test of Khalij Fars ASBM:-

It struck a stationary target in the sea.

Iran tested two Hormuz 2 ASBM in 2017. 1st ASBM missed its target. 2nd ASBM struck a floating barge. Confirmation here: https://www.usnews.com/news/world/a...aunched-ballistic-missiles-us-officials-claim

You were saying?

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Iranian ASBM tests are more realistic than Chinese but both have yet to test an ASBM on a truly realistic target which would be moving much faster and well-guarded on top.


Korean War (1950 - 1953)?

China dispatched a huge force to save North Korea from dissolution at the hands of US - certainly an achievement. However, US had much of its forces stationed in Europe and Japan at the time and was not expecting Chinese intervention in the Korean War.

US will take China seriously this time, and only misinformed individuals would underestimate its military prowess in current times.

Regarding the highlighted part in your comments:

"The SM-6 was successfully tested by the U.S. Navy in December 2016 against a target representative of the DF-21D."

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/chinas-newest-weapons-of-war/3/

Two intercepts actually - independent assessment. However, these tests are classified to large extent.

Obviously, you are very selective in reading the post/link I give...

The test was carry out few years ago in 2013 when sea restriction is carried out and HK one of the most vivid China news watcher caught the news. After a few days a retired Chinese frigate toil back to port was camera by somebody and uploaded it.

The whole bridge collapsed on top by some massive impact. From Chinese internet discussion, it was definitely hit by something hit speed. Very likely a DF-21D warhead without explosive. Definitely the whole experiment was captured by US intel. As for why they never release the news, I guess it becos it will cause the kind of helpless panic/fear which US dont want. Since countermeasure against such weapon if fired in salvo with multi warjead and ECM is near impossible to counter.