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You don't need to worry about Pakistan's image. You should be more concerned about how Americans are making a fool out of you guys and miking you to fill their pockets.
It isn't the Indian government paying for it but a some Indians in the US and even so the most we are talking about is 100,000s of USD not billions- it's a drop in the ocean.

And no scrutiny in this world is going to stop an F16 from dropping bombs on Indian troops during a war. So yeah. It is a failure.

Says you, other might consider it a very worthwhile ROI.
 
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It isn't the Indian government paying for it but a some Indians in the US and even so the most we are talking about is 100,000s of USD not billions- it's a drop in the ocean.



Says you, other might consider it a very worthwhile ROI.

ROI where you are not getting anything. And Pakistanis like me won't mind Indians spending money for Pakistan. Shows Indian's obsession with Pakistan.

Just proves the point that you buggers are obsessed with us.
 
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ROI where you are not getting anything. And Pakistanis like me won't mind Indians spending money for Pakistan. Shows Indian's obsession with Pakistan.
Well compare Pakistani FDI infflows to those in the region or of similar size nations or "favourability index" scores for Pakistan and I could say there is a strong case that such investment is paying off. It is not simply about these sales but maintaining a specific image of Pakistan and that seems to be working just fine.

But let's be honest, most of this is not really India's doing but self-inflicted by the state Pakistan is in, unless you want to say Indians have bribed Obama ;)

Pakistan among states that will face turmoil for decades: Obama - Newspaper - DAWN.COM
Just proves the point that you buggers are obsessed with us.

If China was dependant on US dole outs, Indians would do the same for them.
 
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you do know we need codes before every flight of F-16 ?
and Kargil is in front of us .. what if in next war , our fleet of 16's will be grounded .. what about Sanctions ? 100 F-16 our so called Front line fighters will be like Mehran ..

No code can save Indians if F16 would be used in a war. That is a guarantee.

AS for Kargil. That is another story. At least in Kargil we can't blame Americans for not using F16.

Well compare Pakistani FDI infflows to those in the region or of similar size nations or "favourability index" scores for Pakistan and I could say there is a strong case that such investment is paying off. It is not simply about these sales but maintaining a specific image of Pakistan and that seems to be working just fine.

But let's be honest, most of this is not really India's doing but self-inflicted by the state Pakistan is in, unless you want to say Indians have bribed Obama ;)

Pakistan among states that will face turmoil for decades: Obama - Newspaper - DAWN.COM

Pakistan shares a border with Afghanistan where a war is underway since past 15 years. Obviously that would have impact on Pakistan and its economy and FDI. American Indians have no role in that.

Smaller states like that of BD are not fighting a war like Pakistan. You can say it is self inflicted. You are bharati. You would come up with a bullsh!t like that. I would call it an irony of geography. Pakistan has afghanistan on one side and India on another. Now that is not self inflicted. That is unfortunate that we have such "things" on our two sides.

Obama statement is in the same context. The whole region is unstable.

If China was dependant on US dole outs, Indians would do the same for them.

Don't know. You guys are not mentally attached and obsessed with China as you are with Pakistan. Might be thrashing in 62 pushed you to be more obsessed with Pakistan. You realized China is simply out of your league.
 
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Pakistan shares a border with Afghanistan where a war is underway since past 15 years. Obviously that would have impact on Pakistan and its economy and FDI. American Indians have no role in that.

Smaller states like that of BD are not fighting a war like Pakistan. You can say it is self inflicted. You are bharati. You would come up with a bullsh!t like that. I would call it an irony of geography. Pakistan has afghanistan on one side and India on another. Now that is not self inflicted. That is unfortunate that we have such "things" on our two sides.

Obama statement is in the same context. The whole region is unstable.
I'm a "bharati" am I? Okay.

And that apparently blinds me but in your entire post you have painted Pakistan as some hapless victim of circumstance but who is directly responsible for the mess Pakistan finds itself in and the region as a whole? Is it not Pakistan? Remind me who has used terrorists as strategic assets for decades now? Remind me where OBL was found.
 
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Indian lobbies giving hard time to Pakistan. Neither they are allowing buy F-16 or sell JF-17.

Lol....

This drama always happens when weapons sales to Pakistan are being talked about. They cleared the Zulus, advanced artillery, pervious F-16's and this will happen as well.
 
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forget the F-16s, U.S should sell Pakistan advance OV-10 Broncos. they would be the perfect COIN aircraft to kill terrorists and they could also be a tank buster if India attacks Pakistan.


-advance avionics
-more powerful turboprops
-advance weapons like Hellfire/Brimestone missiles and guided 2.75" rockets

could buy 4 of these for what a F-16 would cost


 
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going by standard patterns - im sure we'll get them they're just trying to play hardball....at any rate the JF-17 Thunder program is going very well and we should put most - if not all our effort - towards that....for later 5th gen inductions should work with Russia in China in the next few decades. Lets see

Indian lobbies giving hard time to Pakistan. Neither they are allowing buy F-16 or sell JF-17.

indian lobbies in DC bleed and soil their dhotis even when the Americans provide things like night vision goggles to FC to fight TTP.

nothing new....however indian lobbies failed to stop supply of AIM120s, targeting pods and the past F-16 deals. The deal could be stalled for political reasons or leverage (I think both) but doesnt matter much. It's 8 F-16s we aren't necessarily pressed for right now; main focus is phasing out older aircrafts and inducting JF-17 in numbers


p.s. JF-17 Thunders will be sold, and customers are/will be lining up. Unlike LCA Tejas (a failure), JFT has a different destiny
 
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It is stupid to compare Pakistan with Israel , the technology Israel have access , you cant even dream about, at least not in this life time .. i do know how the world works, that is why i am Saying .. US can and probably give those F-sola for free, but what it will cost us ? our respect and Dignity which i doubt our Generals have .
or to be precise the PAF shit tanks .
US works the way they suppose to, they still dont trust their Allies like Germany and Japan and yet they have all access to US technology , Pakistan been trashed by US govt and Congress man over time for supporting Taliban , and they are playing gilli danda in Afghanistan for last 14 years .. Taliban still attack Kabul whenever they want ..
for Those F-16's we will letting more American entering our bases , keeping an eyes on our stuff and so on .. its like we are presenting our country , stripping it naked to be gang raped ..



you do know we need codes before every flight of F-16 ?
and Kargil is in front of us .. what if in next war , our fleet of 16's will be grounded .. what about Sanctions ? 100 F-16 our so called Front line fighters will be like Mehran ..

Stop believing at everything you hear. Learn to research and seek truth. Try to compare our deals with others. This is how it happens always. Which codes are you talking about? Which system requires these mystery codes you talk about? How Kargil was F-16 fault? Come on man, it's the politicians more often than anyone else who embarrass us.
 
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I'm a "bharati" am I? Okay.

And that apparently blinds me but in your entire post you have painted Pakistan as some hapless victim of circumstance but who is directly responsible for the mess Pakistan finds itself in and the region as a whole? Is it not Pakistan? Remind me who has used terrorists as strategic assets for decades now? Remind me where OBL was found.
Still waiting on you providing the dates.
So how much has it been delayed by.............?


Do you have any data or just assumptions.
 
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Still waiting on you providing the dates.
So how much has it been delayed by.............?


Do you have any data or just assumptions.
You've got me there my friend, it is all speculation/presumption on my part.
 
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The pending sale of 8 F—16 aircraft to the Government of Pakistan is deeply troubling," said Congressman George Holding.
Describing Pakistan’s activities as “immensely problematic”, a powerful Republican Senator has vowed to block the sale of eight F—16 fighter jets to the country that is acting as a “duplicitous partner” and providing safe havens to terror groups.

In a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry, Senator Bob Corker said he couldn’t allow the Obama administration to use taxpayer funds to support the sale of the jets, given that the terrorist organisations like Haqqani network that attack US troops in Afghanistan enjoy safe havens inside Pakistan, The Wall Street Journal said.

In the letter dated February 9, Mr. Corker said Pakistan’s activities are “immensely problematic” and contribute to the notion that Pakistan is a “duplicitous partner, moving sideways rather than forward in resolving regional challenges.”

Mr. Corker shot off the angry letter to Mr. Kerry after his fifth trip to Afghanistan wherein he had a first—hand experience of the ground realties and attack on US troops from the terrorist organisations based in Pakistan.

The Senator wrote the letter to Mr. Kerry, the day on which the Secretary of State in his annual budget sent to the Congress proposed a financial assistance of $859.8 million for Pakistan, including $265 million for military hardware.

“I do not want US taxpayer dollars going to support these acquisitions,” Mr. Corker was quoted as saying by the report.

“While we’re spending tremendous amounts of US dollars and certainly tremendous sacrifice in our men and women in uniform and by other agencies, they are working simultaneously to destabilise Afghanistan,” he said

Another Republican lawmaker on Wednesday opposed the sale of F—16.

“The pending sale of 8 F—16 aircraft to the Government of Pakistan is deeply troubling,” said Congressman George Holding, Co—chair of the House Caucus on India and Indian—Americans.

Mr. Holding said Pakistan has continually proven to be an unreliable and unwilling partner for the US on numerous fronts — chief among them our effort to combat the growing threat of terrorism.

“It is difficult to see how this sale strengthens our national security and more importantly, how this sale would improve stability in the region. I believe this sale requires further assessment by Congress and urge the Administration to suspend any further action on this sale,” Mr. Holding said.

The State Department refused to comment on the sale of F—16 to Pakistan.

“As a matter of policy, the Department does not comment on proposed arms sales or transfers until they have been formally notified to Congress,” David McKeeby, a Spokesperson for the US Department of State’s Bureau of Political—Military Affairs, said recently.

“We place tremendous importance on our wide—ranging US—India defence partnership which our leaders have recognised as having long—term benefit to not only each other, but the world over,” he said.

US lawmaker to block deal to sell F—16s to Pakistan - The Hindu
One day Pakistan will help US get out of the mess, secondly lesser conventional weapons Pakistan has, South Asia is more at risk for nuclear conflict. We need wisdom and vision not plain reactions from all sides including Pakistan
 
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Okay, so probably there is no delay and the good senator is just barking at the wind.

You've got me there my friend, it is all speculation/presumption on my part.

Kudos to you for admitting to your mistake. A very un-Indian behavior may I add.
 
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Also is their any increment in deal? More F16s? United States is just going to release 860 Million$ support for Military inorder to fight terrorism............

$860 million is not going to be just released. Obama Administration requested the amount to US Congress, which has to approve it all, part of it, or reject it.
These F-16s will be provided free of charge, as part of the CSF to Pakistan.
Half a squadron free Block 52+ jets, sounds like a good deal whichever way you look at it.
Congress approval can be bypassed by the U.S. president, who will likely take his advise from the Pentagon who know how these planes are used in counter-terrorism. Rather than from congressmen who are mouth-pieces for the highest bidder.

What are you talking about? President can't bypass Congress on these F-16s. If he could, would we be having this debate?

1. because .. the F-16s are coming through . the deal has been reconfirmed

What does reconfirm mean? By whom? Are you buying fighter jets or an airline ticket?
 
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Well the US daddy killed 28 of ur soldiers in Sala post and you said nor problem DADDY?
Rumsfield said we will bomb you to the stone age u said sorry DADDY?
Raymond Davis said I am going home after killing two Pakistani men and here is a tip (blood money) and you said THANK YOU DADDY.
 
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