US friendship faces ‘St Antony’ test

[angeldemon_007]

I think it will be good to see the response of US-India meeting after the winner is selected and that too not US. They call us friends, lets see how friends react on rejection. This is not the first time AK Antony has done something like this. He is not a fan of US and neither is IAF, so it will be good to see what US offers that would turn the direction of MMRCA into their side.

 

[misterme2]

I think it will be good to see the response of US-India meeting after the winner is selected and that too not US. They call us friends, lets see how friends react on rejection. This is not the first time AK Antony has done something like this. He is not a fan of US and neither is IAF, so it will be good to see what US offers that would turn the direction of MMRCA into their side.

Yeah but at the same time the U S A has been there at times when India needed her the most.......China 1964

 

[shaktiman2010]

US foreign policy is not about emotions. Its about self-interests.

Secondly, Obama wouldn't be elected if he was a muslim. Most of white american voters will never elect a muslim president. It will be shame for their white country.

Just look around how Muslims and arabs are hated in American society, just because they are muslims.

 

[shaktiman2010]

misterme2,

USA didn't help India in 1964. It ran away. Their only purpose was to send India weapons so they fight with Chinese neighbours and kill each other, serving millions casualties on both sides. Nehru did right thing by refusing to take such help.

Friends don't send weapons, they send army to stand beside you and fight together.

And, if your USA cared so much about India, why it created NSG against India, in 1970's?

Also, why USA blocked cryogenic technology to India?

Friends don't do such things.

 

[angeldemon_007]

Yeah but at the same time the U S A has been there at times when India needed her the most.......China 1964

Look we never considered US as enemy. As my personnel opinion, US-India friendship is very important. But if we look back in the history, thee are many reasons why Indian forces does not trust US policies. Help was sought from US in 1965 but we didn't get it.

Also in 1971 war, US and China were about to fight against India. If USSR wouldnot have fielded their warships in Bay of Bengal your misadventure would have led to the WW3.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Yeah but at the same time the U S A has been there at times when India needed her the most.......China 1964

we would not mind american weapons if you are ready to share more TOT and if there is no euma, cismoa, etc.another thing is that sanctions and tech denial even when relations go smoothly..like in the case of LCA.

 

[dbc]

USA didn't help India in 1964. It ran away.

Interesting, what exactly did the USA ran away from? In 1963 a United States Naval fleet was in the Bay of Bengal protecting India from the Chinese. India's urgent plea for US assistance was sent by Nehru on November 20, 1962, it was approved the same day and a carrier group was dispatched. China declared a unilateral cease fire a day later on November 21, 1962. From 1963 until May 1965 when both India and Pakistan were sanctioned India was the recipient of generous US military assistance this included training for IAF personnel at Nellis AFB Nevada.

Their only purpose was to send India weapons so they fight with Chinese neighbours and kill each other, serving millions casualties on both sides. Nehru did right thing by refusing to take such help.

Nehru was in no position to refuse anything, he sent an open desperate plea for US help. The Soviets Union, India's all weather friends since 1950 on the other hand were the once selling military hardware to both China and India while helping China in exchange for Chinese support during the Cuban missile crisis. And they didn't stop at China, they tried to do the same with Pakistan.Here is another interesting revelation for you and this is from a report that is published on the Indian Navy website.

After the Rann of Kutch incident in May 1965, the US had suspended all military and economic aid both to India and to Pakistan. In July 1965, the Soviet Union offered economic and other assistance to Pakistan, in an endeavour to entice Pakistan away from its dependence on the US and on China.

In November 1965, in preparation for the Pakistan Foreign Ministers delegation to Moscow to prepare for the later discussions at Tashkent, Pak NHQ put in a requirement for six submarines, eight missile boats, twelve motor torpedo boats, maritime reconnaissance aircraft, mines and torpedoes.

In June 1966, a Pakistan naval delegation visited the Soviet naval bases in Odessa and Sevastopol in the Black Sea. They were shown a submarine, an anti submarine vessel, a missile boat, a Landing Ship Tank (LST) and a motor torpedo boat. Neither mines nor maritime reconnaissance aircraft were offered or shown.

In May 1968, a two ship Soviet naval squadron visited Karachi. It was the first ever visit of Soviet warships to Pakistan. Discussions centred on the Soviet side being able to help modernise the ships of the Pakistan fleet. The Pakistan Government also formally requested for a feasibly study of fitting Soviet surface to surface missile on the Pakistan Navy's destroyers.

http://indiannavy.nic.in/t2t2e/Trans2Trimph/chapters/7_events prior to 1971 war-1.htm

Friends don't send weapons, they send army to stand beside you and fight together.
Friends don't do such things.

You're right friends don't do such things but then I doubt India has any friends, I doubt any nation has 'friends'.

 

[CardSharp]

Interesting, what exactly did the USA ran away from? In 1963 a United States Naval fleet was in the Bay of Bengal protecting India from the Chinese. India's urgent plea for US assistance was sent by Nehru on November 20, 1962, it was approved the same day and a carrier group was dispatched. China declared a unilateral cease fire a day later on November 21, 1962. From 1963 until May 1965 when both India and Pakistan were sanctioned India was the recipient of generous US military assistance this included training for IAF personnel at Nellis AFB Nevada.

It seems that even girls aren't immune from viewing everything from a lens of self-importance. The ceasefire came into effective on the 21st, it was declared a cease-fire on the day before Nehru asked for help and help was approved. So the whole idea that China withdrew because it was scared of a USN carrier group (weeks away) is a bit daft.

 

[zombieland]

You're right friends don't do such things but then I doubt India has any friends, I doubt any nation has 'friends'.

You are right .... bang on !!!

So are the Chinese to us ... They are no friends to us .... just another country serving its interest to keep a check on India ... As they say "Enemy of an enemy is always a friend"

 

[shaktiman2010]

Death.By.Chocolate,

US was a silent spectator and was confused whether to jump in war or not. By the time US made up its mind and replied to Nehru's call, ceasefire was declared. It was too late.

Secondly, US committed 2nd blunder by supporting Pakistan during 1971. It was Russia who kept US and China away from interfering into the sub-continent war.

And lastly, Russia's offer of help to Pakistan was done with India's consent. It was an attempt to nullify negative western influence in Pakistan. And, subsequent years proved whose side Russia always has been. And that also proved the suspicion that USA would be siding with Pakistan once again.

 

[december]

He was chief minister of our state. Then why bother his religion. He is more atheist than christian.

I wish karunakaran was there and was our defense minister.The face of defense ministery might have changed even though half the money ends up in his pocket..,,,,,,,,,but i think antony is doing better job in center compared to state.

 

[MST]

misterme2,

USA didn't help India in 1964. It ran away. Their only purpose was to send India weapons so they fight with Chinese neighbours and kill each other, serving millions casualties on both sides. Nehru did right thing by refusing to take such help.

Friends don't send weapons, they send army to stand beside you and fight together.

And, if your USA cared so much about India, why it created NSG against India, in 1970's?

Also, why USA blocked cryogenic technology to India?

Friends don't do such things.

No point being stuck in the history. There are no permanent enemies and friends in diplomacy. National Interest are Paramount. And this applies generally to all countries including US and India. What USA did during the cold war was based on her national interest. And our interest didn't align with them. After the cold war it seems our interests are converging. And there is no harm in taking help/support from them and vice versa if it serves our National Interest.

And remember if they created the NSG against us, they were also the ones who got us into the NSG.
And also even during the cold war US was giving a lot of grants to India and US Universities helped in setting up of many premier educational institutes in the country.

 

[shaktiman2010]

You're right friends don't do such things but then I doubt India has any friends, I doubt any nation has 'friends'.

India has many. Speak for yourself.

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

India has many. Speak for yourself.

Who?

I recall of all is Bhutan ,the only nation that came to our aid in 1962.

 

[Alphatech]

Who?

I recall of all is Bhutan ,the only nation that came to our aid in 1962.

If that is true, then India has shown how it's friends will be rewarded by ensuring that Bhutan's economic and security needs will always be taken care of by India.