US friendship faces ‘St Antony’ test

[shaktiman2010]

After the cold war it seems our interests are converging.

That's not clear as of this moment. We will know soon. All depends on how comfortable Obama is with accommodating Indian interests in his policies. So far, he is less enthusiastic with his response compared to GWB. And I think he has good opportunity in closing MRCA deal if he keeps his options wider.

And also even during the cold war US was giving a lot of grants to India and US Universities helped in setting up of many premier educational institutes in the country.

No big deal. Why India is building institutions in Afghanistan even after its consulate was bombed in that country?

Secondly, India was never involved in Cold-war nor it was selling arms to Russia. Well, definitely not like F-16's to your arch-rival neighbour.

 

[shaktiman2010]

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[misterme2]

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Sad bro why would you report me to the MODS......Why?

 

[PlanetWarrior]

Is nt Barack Hussain Obama half muslim

Half Muslim ?????? And what's the other half pray tell ????

 

[dbc]

It seems that even girls aren't immune from viewing everything from a lens of self-importance. The ceasefire came into effective on the 21st, it was declared a cease-fire on the day before Nehru asked for help and help was approved. So the whole idea that China withdrew because it was scared of a USN carrier group (weeks away) is a bit daft.

According to declassified CIA documents Chinese unilateral ceasefire was announced on 21 November, if you know different please do share. I did not imply China was ‘scared’ of US intervention you inferred it.

I do think China was weary of US involvement and had no desire to see a regional conflict widen.

However, they apparently did not anticipate that the Indians would fold so quickly. Further ,they apparently had not estimated that the Indians would turn to the US and UK for military aid ;they were obviously taken aback by the sharpness of this turn ,"only the US imperialists would benefit from it the clash" (People's Daily editorial , 8 November). Their concern that the US might decide to intervene
and enlarge" the fighting during the second assault in mid-November was reflected in Chou En-lai's letter to Sekou Toure of 13 November.Further, the US supply mission in India may have
been seen by the Chinese as the first US move to "poke in its hand and develop the present unfortunate border conflict into a war..." (Chinese government statement, 21 November). This consideration
was probably decisive in shaping the Chinese decision
to announce a unilateral PLA withdrawal.

But the PLA had inflicted such a degrading defeat
on Indian forces that Nehru was more than ever before unable to consider negotiations as a real course because such a course would have been viewed as surrender after the battle. Nehru later
told Senator Mansfield that apart from his own convictions, he could not stay in office one week if he negotiated with the Chinese.
His prestige was not restored by Peiping's 21 November announcement of a unilateral Chinese withdrawal.

http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-09.pdf

 

[angeldemon_007]

^^^^
Look man most of the Indians are pro-US. The only thing that bugs them is US attempt to dictate our policies. We would even take a bullet for a friend but you have to act as a friend.

 

[CardSharp]

I did not imply China was ‘scared’ of US intervention you inferred it.

I'll defer to you on the dates, because I've returned the books I've read a long time ago. But here my point the PLA 1962 offensive was envisaged as a short campaign with limited objectives, that being retake the land occupied during Nehru's forward policy phase and to force India back to the negotiating table. Of the two, the first was successful and I'll agree that there is also little doubt that China didn't want to widen the war or to involve the United States in another war so soon after the Korean war.

I apologize if I mistook your meaning but understand I've been dealing with a whole bunch of nutty Indian explanations about why China declared a ceasefire.

 

[misterme2]

What I don't understand is that if China was successful at regaining territory then why would want to force INdia back to the Negotiation table?

 

[Hulk]

What I don't understand is that if China was successful at regaining territory then why would want to force INdia back to the Negotiation table?

They are not interested in AP, neither they make any attempt to get it. The only reason they keep the issue open is to keep India under check.

 

[CardSharp]

What I don't understand is that if China was successful at regaining territory then why would want to force INdia back to the Negotiation table?

Honestly I forgot, I had read some original documents about the reasoning but I can't remember exactly right now and I don't want to give you a BS answer. I was going to check out some of the books from my university library anyways, so I'll get back to you with an answer.

 

[CardSharp]

The only reason they keep the issue open is to keep India under check.

The sources I can find on the topic say, that China was largely willing to settle the border permanently right up until the 90's, but there was insufficient political will on the Indian side to come to the negotiations. A politician would get crucified if they were seen to be giving away land, at least that is my understanding.

 

[CardSharp]

What I don't understand is that if China was successful at regaining territory then why would want to force INdia back to the Negotiation table?

Meanwhile here is a fairly serious discussion from about 6 month ago on the 1962 war.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-...cious-action-pla-lessons-sino-indian-war.html

 

[CardSharp]

According to declassified CIA documents Chinese unilateral ceasefire was announced on 21 November, if you know different please do share. I did not imply China was ‘scared’ of US intervention you inferred it.

I do think China was weary of US involvement and had no desire to see a regional conflict widen.

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http://www.foia.cia.gov/CPE/POLO/polo-09.pdf

Ahhh here is where I found the Nov. 19th date for the cease fire.

Under the circumstances, China had full capacity to realize the boundary it claimed, but Beijing exercised restraint. Zhou Enlai called the Indian charge d’affaires in Beijing to his residence on November 19 and informed him that, effective November 21, Chinese forces would cease fire; on December 1, Zhou said, Chinese forces would withdraw 20 kilometers from the line of actual control all along the disputed border.For some reason, as reported by Maxwell based on his review of Indian archives, the charge d’affaires seems to have delayed a full day reporting this matter to New Delhi. As a consequence, India first learned of the Chinese cease-fire from an announcement made in Beijing before midnight on November 20.

By Larry Wortzel in the book

The Lessons of History: The Chinese people's Liberation Army at 75 published by Strategic Studies Institute (SSI) | US Army War College


This should also answer your question misterme2.