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US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

you say it is expensive to maintain based on what? The XM-25 is one of the most easy to use high tech weapons in the field.
I am talking about its cost factor.

The cost of XM-25 is expected to be around 25000 USD per piece. In comparison, cost of M16 is around 3000 USD per piece.

Also, computerized equipment are more sensitive than traditional equipment. So maintenance cost increases, right?
 
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I am talking about its cost factor.

The cost of XM-25 is expected to be around 25000 USD per piece. In comparison, cost of M16 is around 3000 USD per piece.

Also, computerized equipment are more sensitive than traditional equipment. So maintenance cost increases, right?


It is more expensive compared to an M-4. But how expensive is it compared to dropping a 500 pound bomb in its place?

The targeting system is ruggedized, meaning it is built to take jarring shocks.
 
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^^ in US and European countries .....human has the hisgest value and anything that save that is worth it ....
unfortunately thats not the case i the sub-continent....

:coffee:
 
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you say it is expensive to maintain based on what? The XM-25 is one of the most easy to use high tech weapons in the field.

what he meant was that this weapon cannot be easily copied or reverse engineered!
 
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U.S. troops already have that. We pretty much win every battle which is why the Taliban have sustained such heavy losses.

i know you are the military proffesional ... but in my view if that was the case ....

would US be still in Afganisthan ....9 years since 9/11 ans still with no fixed timeline when Coalition troops will evacuate....

my 2 cents...
 
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i know you are the military proffesional ... but in my view if that was the case ....

would US be still in Afganisthan ....9 years since 9/11 ans still with no fixed timeline when Coalition troops will evacuate....

my 2 cents...

Whoever said wars can only take a certian amount of time?

No doubt in my personal view mistakes were made in the beggining. Part of the problem was Rumsfelds practice of micro managing 2 war fronts with the bare minimum of troops and resources. The other problem is the widespread corruption in the Afghan Governemnt. It's easy to take territory from the Taliban. But it has to be backed up with Government services and help. This has gotten a little better but still not good enough. Then there was Taliban safe havens in Pakistan that were pretty much left alone in the beggining.

Now back to the thread topic.............
 
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Salaam.....:coffee:

ref:US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan - Telegraph
US deploys 'game-changer' weapon to Afghanistan

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It looks and acts like something best left in the hands of Sylvester Stallone's "Rambo," but this latest dream weapon is real – and the US Army sees it becoming the Taliban's worst nightmare.

The XM25 Counter Defilade Target Engagement System has now been deployed to US units on the battlefields of Afghanistan Photo: AFP/GETTY
12:02AM GMT 03 Dec 2010


The Pentagon has rolled out prototypes of its first-ever programmable "smart" grenade launcher, a shoulder-fired weapon that uses microchipped ammunition to target and kill the enemy, even when the enemy is hidden behind walls or other cover.

After years of development, the XM25 Counter Defilade Target Engagement System, about the size of a regular rifle, has now been deployed to US units on the battlefields of Afghanistan, where the Army expects it to be a "game-changer" in its counter-insurgency operations.

"For well over a week, it's been actively on patrols, and in various combat outposts in areas that are hot," said Lieutenant Colonel Chris Lehner, program manager for the XM25.

The gun fires 25mm air-bursting shells up to 2,300 feet, well past the range of most rifles used by today's soldiers, and programs them to explode at a precise distance, allowing troops to neutralise insurgents hiding behind walls, rocks or trenches or inside buildings.
"This is the first time we're putting smart technology into the hands of the individual soldier," Lt Col Lehner told AFP in a telephone interview.

"It's giving them the edge," he said, in the harsh Afghan landscape where Islamist extremists have vexed US troops using centuries-old techniques of popping up from behind cover to engage.
"You get behind something when someone is shooting at you, and that sort of cover has protected people for thousands of years," Lt Col Lehner said.

"Now we're taking that away from the enemy forever."
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More weapons to kill more innocent Afghans!!!

All Heil Karzai...
 
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I am talking about its cost factor.

The cost of XM-25 is expected to be around 25000 USD per piece. In comparison, cost of M16 is around 3000 USD per piece.

Also, computerized equipment are more sensitive than traditional equipment. So maintenance cost increases, right?

Afghanistan seems to hypontize invaders... Seriously I m telling you there is something about this land of ours... Americans are doing almost the same things the Russians were doing (The Russians were actually some steps ahead of them)... but every now and then you hear about America sending more troops, tanks, drones and now these launchers with the same fox news captions of "game changer" and "democracy and prosperity" (errr by the barrel of a gun? I dont think so)... but I really think that our land has some sort of a hypnotic quality where invaders keep getting dragged in and in and in and before they realize it they have lost thousands of their troops, millions in equipment and the Afghan resistance still continuing to harrass them!!! LOL

The words Quagmire and Quicksand come to mind!!!
 
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The culture of Afghanistan and N. Pakistan involves "tribalism" in a huge way.

Logistics thus are minor for the enemy as they are maintained and tend to fight on their own ground.

But, as in the US Civil War, where the Confederate or Southern Forces had supposed home turf advantages changes in technology, weaponry, and such wore down, depleated/killed off many Confederate troops and resulted in Lee's final surrender at Appomattox.

The question is how long can the US and allied forces grind down the terrorist enemy? Do we really understand and accept we will never, ever change a backward tribal culture?

I very much want to "win" but winning in such rugged terrain...I lived and worked there for 2 years in the USAF in the mid-1960s...is tough, tough work. Those mountains are the roughest in the entire world, bar none.

Hurray for anything that helps our boys win more skirmishes but the long haul vs. our inability to deal with constructively and effectively tribalism is a core problem I do not see an easy answer to.
 
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The culture of Afghanistan and N. Pakistan involves "tribalism" in a huge way.

Logistics thus are minor for the enemy as they are maintained and tend to fight on their own ground.

But, as in the US Civil War, where the Confederate or Southern Forces had supposed home turf advantages changes in technology, weaponry, and such wore down, depleated/killed off many Confederate troops and resulted in Lee's final surrender at Appomattox.

The question is how long can the US and allied forces grind down the terrorist enemy? Do we really understand and accept we will never, ever change a backward tribal culture?

I very much want to "win" but winning in such rugged terrain...I lived and worked there for 2 years in the USAF in the mid-1960s...is tough, tough work. Those mountains are the roughest in the entire world, bar none.

Hurray for anything that helps our boys win more skirmishes but the long haul vs. our inability to deal with constructively and effectively tribalism is a core problem I do not see an easy answer to.

the answer is very simple, give the people what they want!!! Give them the basic necessities to survive!!!

They want food, shelter, medical attention, schools, love, care and understanding, not war!!!! If you give them the basic necessities then slowly but steadily Afghans would stop supporting the taliban as the latter has nothing to offer them except drugs, guns, and bombs!!!

Like the saying goes "slow and steady wins the race"!!
 
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so finding a target then aiming and programming the grenades will take more time and during that solider will be exposed to enemy fire(who is actully looking at you cause they are ambushing you in most cases).


You forget this is the playstation generation they probably could do > > v ^ O X in their sleep.
 
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Yaar! It is not an AK-47.

These weapons are computerized and expensive to maintain.

True but we know somebody who makes things inexpensive to develop and maintain and who is the most reliable partner we ever had. :azn:
 
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Oddly enough the Allies are giving the Afghans what they both want and need. But the Taliban keep blowing up girls schools, murdering innocent fellow Muslims, all to intimidate the grassroots...which intimidation lasts until or unless you have large masses of troops and police to maintain law and order.

Problem then, again, is Afghans in the "new" Afghan Army are a mixed lot, go home unexpectedly to deliver pay or visit family. Often as not Afghans cannot on any single day muster much more than 40% of any of their unit's roster!
 
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