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US declares 'total war' on Islam

For everyone who enjoys a good read, here is something of utmost interest on the subject at hand.

islamophobia in america

Islamophobia: The Challenge of Pluralism in the 21st Century - John L. Esposito, 0brahim Kal1n - Google Books



And here is an essay on the same subject

"Christian kids have enough problems with drugs, alcohol and pornography and should not have to worry about Islam too. "I don't want it in my backyard," says one. Anothersays, "I just think it's not America." "

http://culturalidentity.qwriting.org/files/2011/08/10.18-Mosque-Controversy_-Does-America-Have-a-Muslim-Problem.pdf

Read what ? that you have people who have seen civilians, women , children and everyone in between blown up terrorists - whom ( terrorist) themselves say that they are doing this in the name of Islam , are paranoid about Islam?

I'm not saying they need to be, far from it_ I have enough of debates around my neighborhood and have seen 99% of Americans stand with the notion that it is NOT Islam, but yeah we have 1% that are freaked out and either too naïve or ignorant to push this on Islam.

I would imagine you could agree that these terrorists, the mad mullah bridges are all giving Islam a bad name. This attitude among the minority is a by product of it unfortunately. Today terrorists killed 100 Muslims in Yemen in the name of Islam. I would love to see you guys actually condemning those acts almost daily across the world vs. a minority of ill informed populace

15 years ago and up until that time- Islam was just 'some religion people follow', on the people's mind. Nobody even talked about it, there was no real issue to associate anything negative with it.

And let's also be adept in facing realties... what does the world see? You see terrorist supported by certain govt's. That the " we are going to blow everyone up in the name of Islam" is a protected asset in certain regions. That the nuclear bomb is not called a nuclear bomb but an ISLAMIC BOMB. what do you think would be the result of this on people's psyche?
 
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islamophobia in america

Esposito the leftie has written a lot of stuff attacking America including this one.

While Americans may not be the most fair and perfect, they still allow its citizens a lot of opportunities regardless of their religion.

If you can get the job done in a corporation, you are hired regardless of your accent, skin color, or religion.

However it will help us Pakistanis if you share your experience as a Muslim in Canada.

Because in general Canadians and Americans have similar attitutdes towards religions (give and take some points).

Once you are done, contrast your analysis with how different Muslim sects are treated in Pakistan and places ruled by Mullahs of Saudi and Ayatullahs of Iran.

thank you.
 
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Esposito the leftie has written a lot of stuff attacking America including this one.

While Americans may not be the most fair and perfect, they still allow its citizens a lot of opportunities regardless of their religion.

If you can get the job done in a corporation, you are hired regardless of your accent, skin color, or religion.

However it will help us Pakistanis if you share your experience as a Muslim in Canada.

Because in general Canadians and Americans have similar attitutdes towards religions (give and take some points).

Once you are done, contrast your analysis with how different Muslim sects are treated in Pakistan and places ruled by Mullahs of Saudi and Ayatullahs of Iran.

thank you.

Great post but it will fall on deaf ears because if they answer it honestly , they will loose to the ability of play their evil america -card .
 
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Esposito the leftie has written a lot of stuff attacking America including this one.

While Americans may not be the most fair and perfect, they still allow its citizens a lot of opportunities regardless of their religion.

If you can get the job done in a corporation, you are hired regardless of your accent, skin color, or religion.

However it will help us Pakistanis if you share your experience as a Muslim in Canada.

Because in general Canadians and Americans have similar attitutdes towards religions (give and take some points).

Once you are done, contrast your analysis with how different Muslim sects are treated in Pakistan and places ruled by Mullahs of Saudi and Ayatullahs of Iran.

thank you.

This is no way mitigates the facts in the OP.
 
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This is no way mitigates the facts in the OP.

OP talks and blabbers on using Ayatullahs favorite whipping boyz aka Amerikans, and Zionists. And you Sir go gaga lady gaga on it.

Think from your own head and you will see better, perhaps far better.

#1- Some Americans have Islamophbia. who can deny that?

#2 But then iranaian Ayatullahs have Saudi-phobia should we call it Islamophobia?

#3 Saudi-Mullahs have Irani-phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

#4 Pakistani Shias have (for the right reason) Sunni phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

#5 Pakistani Sunnis have (for the wrong reasons) Shia phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

#6 both Pakistan Shias and Sunnis have Ahmadi-phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?


Then see if #1 has created 100s of Muslim deaths in America. NOT!

#2-#6 have resulted in 10000 of Muslim deaths in Pakistan and throughout the Middle East.


so which phobia is closer to my home? Is it #1 the phobias in America? Heck no.

For me the Islamophobias carried by Shias and Sunnis and other sundry groups like Salafis, and Ahmadis and Ahl hades and Brelvis are much closer to home and have done much more damage to my beautiful country Pakistan.

And this my dear dear friend will not be printed in the farcical fars news agency that you just lap it up daily 5 times.

Peace.
 
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OP talks and blabbers on using Ayatullahs favorite whipping boyz aka Amerikans, and Zionists. And you Sir go gaga lady gaga on it.

Think from your own head and you will see better, perhaps far better.

#1- Some Americans have Islamophbia. who can deny that?

#2 But then iranaian Ayatullahs have Saudi-phobia should we call it Islamophobia?

#3 Saudi-Mullahs have Irani-phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

#4 Pakistani Shias have (for the right reason) Sunni phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

#5 Pakistani Sunnis have (for the wrong reasons) Shia phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

#6 both Pakistan Shias and Sunnis have Ahmadi-phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?


Then see if #1 has created 100s of Muslim deaths in America. NOT!

#2-#6 have resulted in 10000 of Muslim deaths in Pakistan and throughout the Middle East.


so which phobia is closer to my home? Is it #1 the phobias in America? Heck no.

For me the Islamophobias carried by Shias and Sunnis and other sundry groups like Salafis, and Ahmadis and Ahl hades and Brelvis are much closer to home and have done much more damage to my beautiful country Pakistan.

And this my dear dear friend will not be printed in the farcical fars news agency that you just lap it up daily 5 times.

Peace.

All good logic, specially if you look at just Pakistan, except for the fact that you have overlooked GWOT and also 10 year sanction regime against Iraq before that which has killed millions. Do you think Islamophobia of the West has some connection to this or not?
 
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Esposito the leftie has written a lot of stuff attacking America including this one.

While Americans may not be the most fair and perfect, they still allow its citizens a lot of opportunities regardless of their religion.

If you can get the job done in a corporation, you are hired regardless of your accent, skin color, or religion.

However it will help us Pakistanis if you share your experience as a Muslim in Canada.

Because in general Canadians and Americans have similar attitutdes towards religions (give and take some points).

Once you are done, contrast your analysis with how different Muslim sects are treated in Pakistan and places ruled by Mullahs of Saudi and Ayatullahs of Iran.

thank you.


He speaks the truth and his is a scholarly read , can you refute it?

For my - long - experience in North America
First you have to get the job and than prove you can handle it.

With so much arrogance in north American whites, even if you do a job a hundred times more efficiently than them and you are Muslim (or should I say a non Judeo Christian) they will still look down on you or sabotage your innocent and genuine efforts, this is how they see competitiveness, for them it has to be aggressive , and short from physical aggression they will use any and every dirty trick to lower you in the eyes of their superiors to feel good about themselves by all means, like some rotten kids even if they are in advanced age. It is the North American corporate culture that is based on aggressive behaviour applied to competitiveness to hide their true nature which is nothing short than violent in the deeper sense you can imagine.
Even when they seem to befriend you, you can be sure it is for a reason and a purpose if not a whole agenda, always to their advantage.(obviously there are some rare wonderful people).
So, in one word, they are extremely egoistic, jealous and covertly violent.
They are almost all instructed in school but very few are really educated.

You have to learn how to play the game in North America or Europe (I lived and worked in northern Europe for a few years),
And mostly to understand that by being a Muslim being labelled or not changes nothing to your faith, if it is strong, you can withstand anything they might throw at you and still win your cause.
There is no place for the weak faithed, nor the paranoid chaps on these lands, these latters are the causes of the labels.

Islam in general has brought some very positive social behaviours and results in the darkest side of America; many American Muslim converts were converted while in jail, and were very hardened criminals, which American system failed to incorporate to main stream populace, only Islam was able to make good citizens of the most hardened "criminals".
- Imagine what Islam can do for normal people! -
And for this it is perceived as a threat for Christianity or secularism(a scapegoat in this case). Does anyone see any logic in this threat perception?

To answer you about Muslim religious people you call Mullahs, my answer is that there are some very educated Ayotollahs or Ulama or Faqihs, apart from being scholars in Islamic religion, the best of them, and whom I appreciate the most, hold higher degrees in scientific fields also.
To talk bad about mullahs in Pakistan and Afghanistan who held to their faith with all their strength, and who has shown in dire times that they were the first to sacrifice themselves to stop foreign military and cultural invasions of their lands while they were open to foreign investments instead, or to compare them to wannabe false flag mullahs Drug lords will be a sin.
So to keep every thing in perspective, these guys in North America with all their fuss and fancy stuff are the worst Mullahs you can Imagine ; Judeo Christian Mullahs.
And they are behind what is going on there in south Asia because of their threat perception, and their defensive theory of bringing wars to the enemies territories is a well known scheme.
 
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USA and west strongest weapon isn't their nuke or air force , their strongest weapon is their MEDIA ....

and they begin a propaganda war against Isalm by lying about Isalam and defining AL Qaeda and some useless Salafi as true Muslims , they are calling all Muslims are potentially terrorist !! they lying about Islam and they trying to crush Islam with their propaganda and lies ....

wise people can see USA already begin an war against muslims but naive people only would believe it by seeing explosion !!!

( well , in fact west never stop their war against Islam .... )
 
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OP talks and blabbers on using Ayatullahs favorite whipping boyz aka Amerikans, and Zionists. And you Sir go gaga lady gaga on it.

Think from your own head and you will see better, perhaps far better.

#1- Some Americans have Islamophbia. who can deny that?


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So you accept this statement in the OP. more to the point the state and the American regimes official agencies have been running courses on genocide of Muslims for several years
 
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OP talks and blabbers on using Ayatullahs favorite whipping boyz aka Amerikans, and Zionists. And you Sir go gaga lady gaga on it.

Think from your own head and you will see better, perhaps far better.


#2 But then iranaian Ayatullahs have Saudi-phobia should we call it Islamophobia?

#3 Saudi-Mullahs have Irani-phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

This is absolute rubbish in my opinion. The truth is rather more simpler than that. In the time of Shah of Iran there was no problem between Sauds and Iran. No issues between Shias and Sunnis. The thing that lead to the current animosity was thee fact that in one of the Muslim countries namely Iran the people overthrew a dictator & despot who was supported by the Americans namely the Shah. Some of the Arab countries like Saudi who have the cheek to name the country after their family name are worried that the Arabs under their rule will revolt and depose them. So they have propagated for some years now by funding Madrassa and Mosques around the world and have insisted that they supply the teachers who use Mr Wahheb's text books and they lead to some adherents or readers of these books to have a very harsh interpretation of Islam to the point often of judging other Muslims. But the most important thing like the middle ages in Europe religion was used to propagate the rule of the monarchies.

So open your eyes its not the historical rivalry between Iran and Arab nor is it the differences between Shias and Sunnis.

I mean take the example of France and UK they have had lots of wars one war was for a hundred years. One is and has been aligned to Catholicism the other are Protestants. They manage to move on. So can Iran and Saudi
 
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He speaks the truth and his is a scholarly read , can you refute it?

For my - long - experience in North America
First you have to get the job and than prove you can handle it.

With so much arrogance in north American whites, even if you do a job a hundred times more efficiently than them and you are Muslim (or should I say a non Judeo Christian) they will still look down on you or sabotage your innocent and genuine efforts, this is how they see competitiveness, for them it has to be aggressive , and short from physical aggression they will use any and every dirty trick to lower you in the eyes of their superiors to feel good about themselves by all means, like some rotten kids even if they are in advanced age. It is the North American corporate culture that is based on aggressive behaviour applied to competitiveness to hide their true nature which is nothing short than violent in the deeper sense you can imagine.
Even when they seem to befriend you, you can be sure it is for a reason and a purpose if not a whole agenda, always to their advantage.(obviously there are some rare wonderful people).
So, in one word, they are extremely egoistic, jealous and covertly violent.
They are almost all instructed in school but very few are really educated.

You have to learn how to play the game in North America or Europe (I lived and worked in northern Europe for a few years),
And mostly to understand that by being a Muslim being labelled or not changes nothing to your faith, if it is strong, you can withstand anything they might throw at you and still win your cause.
There is no place for the weak faithed, nor the paranoid chaps on these lands, these latters are the causes of the labels.

Islam in general has brought some very positive social behaviours and results in the darkest side of America; many American Muslim converts were converted while in jail, and were very hardened criminals, which American system failed to incorporate to main stream populace, only Islam was able to make good citizens of the most hardened "criminals".
- Imagine what Islam can do for normal people! -
And for this it is perceived as a threat for Christianity or secularism(a scapegoat in this case). Does anyone see any logic in this threat perception?

To answer you about Muslim religious people you call Mullahs, my answer is that there are some very educated Ayotollahs or Ulama or Faqihs, apart from being scholars in Islamic religion, the best of them, and whom I appreciate the most hold higher degrees in scientific fields also.
To talk bad about mullahs in Pakistan and Afghanistan who held to their faith with all their strength, and who has shown in dire times that they were the first to sacrifice themselves to stop foreign military and cultural invasions of their lands while they were open to foreign investments instead, or to compare them to wannabe false flag mullahs Drug lords will be a sin.
So to keep every thing in perspective, these guys in North America with all their fuss and fancy stuff are the worst Mullahs you can Imagine ; Judeo Christian Mullahs.
And they are behind what is going on there in south Asia because of their threat perception, and their defensive theory of bringing wars to the enemies territories is a well known scheme.
Yes!!! Exactly! The true picture of the White mans/women discriminatory behavior against the innocent Asians, black and Muslims within the USA, Canada and Europe....The best post I came across.....:)
 
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OP talks and blabbers on using Ayatullahs favorite whipping boyz aka Amerikans, and Zionists. And you Sir go gaga lady gaga on it.

Think from your own head and you will see better, perhaps far better.


#4 Pakistani Shias have (for the right reason) Sunni phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

#5 Pakistani Sunnis have (for the wrong reasons) Shia phobia. should we call it Islamophobia?

This has never been an issue in Pakistan. You fly the flag of Pakistan yet you forget our history. The founder of Paikistan (my avatar) who is admired by all Pakistanis was a Shia. Yet the majority of Pakistanis like me who are Sunnis adore him.

Most importantly at partition when tens of thousands of Muslims were having their throats cut by Hindus who did not distinguish between Shias or Sunnis. Do you think when a train pulled up to Lahore in what was then Pakistan with a train full of dead Muslims murdered by Hindus did you think Sunnis and Shias were checking whether they were Sunnis or Shias??

so which phobia is closer to my home? Is it #1 the phobias in America? Heck no.

For me the Islamophobias carried by Shias and Sunnis and other sundry groups like Salafis, and Ahmadis and Ahl hades and Brelvis are much closer to home and have done much more damage to my beautiful country Pakistan.

And this my dear dear friend will not be printed in the farcical fars news agency that you just lap it up daily 5 times.

Peace.

Now I do not doubt that we have fanatics in all countries. These are criminal elements whether they be Sunni or Shias who participate in these acts.
Firstly no Muslim country I know hold courses on genocide of any sect or any religion.

Second in any event one person or nations misdemeanour's do not excuse the misdemeanour's of another.

lastly I would like to ask you how much of these supposed hatred or rivalries are a result of American interference and encouraging these divisions and using the trusted divide and rule philosophy the west has played on us.
 
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If USA has declared a war on Islam, it is an exercise in futility. Islam is not a political Philosophy, it is the religion of 25% of Humanity and their ranks are growing. The only loser in this battle will be the US and not the 50+ Islamic Nations. For a country that is going bankrupt, it would be suicidal to take on 50+ nations because Al Islam thrives on opposition and gets stronger when under threat.

ISLAM ZINDA HOTA HAI HIR KARBALA KAY BAAD.....

US has very good relations with many muslim countries in middle-east like Saudis(the center of Islam) and Turkey which is perhaps the strongest muslim country.So how come it's a war against Islam?

It's a war against extremism but again you like to give color of religion on everything.

btw don't be so emotional on catch phrases like the above, it looks good in books.
 
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US has very good relations with many middle east countries like Saudi(the center of Islam) and Turkey which is perhaps the strongest muslim country.So how come it's a war against Islam?

It's a war against extremism but again you like to give color of religion on everything.

btw don't be so emotional on catch phrases like the above, it looks good in books.

When a state institution has on its official training manual an option of genocide of any religion you have to sit up and question it. Even the American's once it became public suspended it and accept that this is wrong.
 
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Let there be nuclear proliferation in the Muslim world.... :sniper: :usflag:
Sure, and put WWIII on fast track.The UNSC members might not use nukes against any muslim countries unless attacked but there are more chances of some muslim countries nuking each other(you know which countries I am talking about:azn:)


help me to find any other belief system that thinks that beliefs other than itself are good, correct, complete and make perfect sense.
the entire premise to be believer of a certain faith or an atheist for that matter is that whatever someone else believes and follows is full of shiite absolute nonsense, evil and stupid.

an Evangelical blow-hard will tell you that Jesus is with America and whatever America does is approved by Jesus
go to a Jew and he would blame Jesus for destroying and causing the most damage to Judaism
and the story goes on.

your claim about Islam seems to make sense and if you will quote 5 examples to back it up then I will even support your claim with 100s more but lets not loose the picture here shall we? a Jewish state is instituted with Tora in one hand and a gun in the other and the Palestinians are ousted from their homes and to date this state continues to expand but that seems perfectly ok for us all if we are not Muslims.

same goes with the Christian Crusades that were meant to cleanse the Holyland from the Muslims and Jews and indeed their blood was spilled like water because for the European Kings and their most fanatic warriors (the Al Qaeda of their time) the Knight Templars spilled the blood of the people of Middle East without any discrimination of men, women and children.

that this topic is about is nothing new, what some people here are doing is directly or indirectly, intentionally or unintentionally giving reasons and excuse for such mindset that is/ was being taught to the present and future American warriors and spies.

time and again, people would mention terrorist incidents to justify this thought and I wonder... what are these apologists trying to do here?
are they taking inspiration from the terrorists? they want to be as bad or worse than the terrorists? dont they loose their claim to be on the right and better than the terrorists?

I have seen vile comments and even tribute videos about that American criminal that killed members of Afghan families and then burnt their corpses.

if internet existed back in the second world war, I think we would have seen similar comments praising and justifying the ethnic cleansing of the Jews. thats why I am a firm believer that this Nazi philosophy has never died this evil has only found a new powerful host, the American war doctrine.

Show me where "Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs,Jains,Parsi, Chinese/Japanese religions" call followers of other religions as Kafirs which needs to be killed or converted forcefully or that other religions are incorrect and should not be followed.
 
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