US declares 'total war' on Islam

[Peregrine]

How about this...its Islam against the world. Islamic attacks against India, Russia, China, US, Indonesia, Philippines, Europe, etc. Is the U.S. the only one being attacked by Muslims?

It's almost applausable to see how you people are desperately pitching in fiction to make your way in an argument. So, are you trying to say that SU never attacked Afghanistan, USA and Europe never attacked Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. I wont comment on India, because doing so will utterly derail the topic, but i must commend your TROLL attempt . China & Philippines? no idea how they are related and Indonesia? Seriously? You do know that it's a Muslim state?

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Muslims are generally friendly people. We should stop lumping people of one religion into one bucket base on an action of a group of individuals.

I will say the same about the American people
they are generally friendly, polite, considerate , honorable and intelligent and thats based on my personal one to one experiences over many years.

this is why I always make a distinction between the American people and the American policymakers

 

[Peregrine]

oh ya, now you'll also claim that that US senate has officially declared war on ISLAM.
you need some COMPLAN to grow and about the dream of umaah, please keep on dreaming because even if the idea gets wide spread support youll not become a united front as some sect will say their version of ISLAM is correct and every one should follow their ideas and not to forget every one wants to be the Caliphat and the end a blood bath with in the brother to find every one returning to the place where they came from with empty hands

Only you keep on coming up with these silly assertions, If America is to attack Muslim world, which is increasingly becoming evident with new establishments then the logical way for Muslim world, is to unite and counter this threat by standing shoulder to shoulder. Don't understand why you keep on ranting about ''Muslim Ummah'' ? If it happens by default, so be it.

 

[King Solomon]

It's almost applausable to see how you people are desperately pitching in fiction to make your way in an argument. So, are you trying to say that SU never attacked Afghanistan, USA and Europe never attacked Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan. I wont comment on India, because doing so will utterly derail the topic, but i must commend your TROLL attempt . China & Philippines? no idea how they are related and Indonesia? Seriously? You do know that it's a Muslim state?

You do know Indonesia is a secular state which is equidistant from all religions, don't you?

ALL of the countries he stated + many other has been victims of extremist fanaticism and terrorism by radical Islamist terrorists.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

How about this...its Islam against the world. Islamic attacks against India, Russia, China, US, Indonesia, Philippines, Europe, etc. Is the U.S. the only one being attacked by Muslims?

valid point my dear respected fellow member and I wont justify such unprovoked attacks whether perpetrated by fringe elements or carried out under the approval of some Islamic regimes.

but hear me out when I say this, I wont apologize for them because I already reject them and disassociate them and NO, I am not quiet about them I and other fellow Muslims have already made enough noise about them and rejected them politically and through giving our lives while fighting them.

therefore please dont use their actions as a justification for condemnation of a sizable chunk of the world population.

 

[lem34]

you must be blind to see that everyone has refuted the articles claim of US declaring war on Islam. YOU would have known that had it not been your ( encouraged here) insistence of trying to make such intellectually defunct claims. It's people like you that make it difficult for the vast vast vast majority of Muslims worldwide from trying to regain the reputation for the religion .

Yea we need an anti Pakistani anti Muslim troll who looks on the web for any article to knock us to tell Muslims what to do. I mean the assertion that Muslims are being prevented from regaining their reputation speaks volumes about this anti Muslim troll. Since when has Islam lost its reputation. Islam's reputation is not something that is or can be lost by the acts of a few miscreants.

Typical every post of yours reeks of racism in that you try to tar all Pakistanis or in this case all Muslims with the actions of a few supposed Muslims.

I suggest you go and work on recovering the reputation of your Hindu terrorism.

Anyway thank you for your post it serves not only to propagate what I believe to be important and at the same time exposes you for being racist anti Pakistani and and anti Muslim

 

[JayAtl]

I will say the same about the American people
they are generally friendly, polite, considerate , honorable and intelligent and thats based on my personal one to one experiences over many years.

this is why I always make a distinction between the American people and the American policymakers

policy makers are largely great with few exceptions. Exception driven by the larger need to make sure we are safe and they do go overboard . But let's be honest - Pakistanis and Indians would be happy if they had our policymakers - that have ensured not a single attack on its soil since 911. They keep us, our families and loved ones safe! … I'm not excusing when they have failings but " fear and safety" is quite a motivator.

Yea we need an anti Pakistani anti Muslim troll who looks on the web for any article to knock us to tell Muslims what to do. I mean the assertion that Muslims are being prevented from regaining their reputation speaks volumes about this anti Muslim troll. Since when has Islam lost its reputation. Islam's reputation is not something that is or can be lost by the acts of a few miscreants.

Typical every post of yours reeks of racism in that you try to tar all Pakistanis or in this case all Muslims with the actions of a few supposed Muslims.

I suggest you go and work on recovering the reputation of your Hindu terrorism.

Anyway thank you for your post it serves not only to propagate what I believe to be important and at the same time exposes you for being racist anti Pakistani and and anti Muslim

Rant of a typical jihadi supporter that tarnish everyone as anti muslim . show me one instance I've been anti Pakistan or anti muslim! _ even once. I debate the issue, the policy at hand not the religion or even country. Saying that Islam's reputation is being tarnished is not anti muslim , if you think it is not - you'll be a minority among the muslims of the world BUT hey maybe you are going for being a majority among your Leeds based rabble rousers.

 

[Peregrine]

You do know Indonesia is a secular state which is equidistant from all religions, don't you?

ALL of the countries he stated + many other has been victims of extremist fanaticism and terrorism by radical Islamist terrorists.

And you do know that Indonesia is the largest of all Muslim states WRT population? But to use your own logic here, all this proves is that Muslim states are also suffering at the hands of terrorism, so Kaafir states aren't the only ones. Besides terrorism is one thing and attacking a sovereign state is another........... So give me the justification for attacking Iraq & Libya?

 

[kalu_miah]

First the US unseated the Mosadegh govt. to bring in Shah and his repressive regime. Then it funded Saddam and armed Iran to fight each other, thus making enemies out of Shia Iran. Then it used Saudi conservative ideology to stop Soviet expansion towards warm water ports in Afghanistan, but there was blow back and the virus of extremism went out of control blowing up in the face of the US on 9/11.

The British and French used Arab and Turkish nationalism to break Ottomn way back and did the Sykes and Picot. The little countries created from that, most had or still have West supported autocrats. As a reaction, political Islam raised its ugly head with Afghani, Hassan Banna, Qutb, Nabhani, Moududi et al in the lead.

And now Islamophobia became a cottage industry after 9/11, painting all Muslims as "terrorist or terrorist sympathizers". Zionists and their fellow Muslim-hating Hindutva brigade have both joined hands and in some cases, Zionists led these efforts, while the clueless US public have drank this Koolaid.

So the OP is correct for the most part, but the US public is not responsible for this, it is the oligarchy and the foreign policy establishment with their stupid self defeating policies and geopolitical games, that are mostly responsible for this. US public has also been an unfortunate victim and they will not wake up, till China dethrones the US as the No. 1 power. Then the soul searching will begin, not before that.

 

[lem34]

First the US unseated the Mosadegh govt. to bring in Shah and his repressive regime. Then it funded Saddam and armed Iran to fight each other, thus making enemies out of Shia Iran. Then it used Saudi conservative ideology to stop Soviet expansion towards warm water ports in Afghanistan, but there was blow back and the virus of extremism went out of control blowing up in the face of the US on 9/11.

The British and French used Arab and Turkish nationalism to break Ottomn way back and did the Sykes and Picot. The little countries created from that, most had or still have US supported autocrats. As a reaction, political Islam raised its ugly head with Afghani, Hassan Banna, Qutb, Nabhani, Moududi et al in the lead.

And now Islamophobia became a cottage industry after 9/11, painting all Muslims as "terrorist or terrorist sympathizers". Zionists and their fellow Muslim-hating Hindutva brigade have both joined hands and in some cases, Zionists led these efforts, while the clueless US public have drank this Koolaid.

So the OP is correct for the most part, but the US public is not responsible for this, it is the oligarchy and the foreign policy establishment with their stupid self defeating policies and geopolitical games, that are mostly responsible for this. US public has also been an unfortunate victim and they will not wake up, till China dethrones the US as the No. 1 power. Then the soul searching will begin, not before that.

I think that was an excellent post. Its a pity we do not have anyone to debate the article here itself. All we have had is question the source and futile childish attempts to belittle and question the poster rather than discuss the content which no one has said is inaccurate.

 

[humanfirst]

USA have conflicts of interests with some muslim nations and is allied to some other muslim nations.Isn't that itself the most obvious proof that the conflicts of US are based on their national interests and not in religious difference?It is not the fault of USA that some people want to drag islam in conflicts which have many real reasons and core issues other than one party being Muslim.

This is not a new phenomenon...islam was dragged into first world war where ottoman emporer declared 'jihad' on entate powers and made it an "islamic cause".We have seen US-Soviet fist fight in afghanistan declared by vested interests as Afghan jihad and dragged islam and made it islamic cause.Kashmir issue was purposefully portrayed as India's war on islam and jihadis were trained to fight india for allah's cause,even though we were close friends with several muslim nations and palestinian cadets were being graduated from indian defence academies!Imho the real reason behind this is much deaper than just being a dirty tactic to garner support of islamic nations.Many are stuck in a medieval era where everything was based on religion-where Islamic caliphate fought christian roman empires and Zoroastrian Persians.Sadly for them such a world is no more-and here is the present where the world is divided into nation states where national interests count most,where thousands of Muslims from Muslim majority nations are given citizenships in christian majority nations and given more rights than their home countries.So the closest thing they can do to force some fake-reality in their delusional world view is to drag islam in conflicts where Muslims are a party and mask the real political reasons behind those conflicts.

Btw It is incredibly disgusting that most of the whining here is done by pakistani muslims who opted to settle in USA and its Evil Western allies which according to them are at war with islam.These parasites are granted citizenship and several rights which they couldn't even imagine to get in their wealthy muslim brotherly nations.How hypocritical is that..?

 

[lem34]

USA have conflicts of interests with some muslim nations and is allied to some other muslim nations.Isn't that itself the most obvious proof that the conflicts of US are based on their national interests and not in religious difference?It is not the fault of USA that some people want to drag islam in conflicts which have many real reasons and core issues other than one party being Muslim.

Not at all America has attempted to support leaders in Muslim countries which clearly deviate from what America says it stands for eg dictatorships. look at what happened with Iran where US interfered until eventually the people of Iran put in place a govt representative of Iranians

There are few if any Muslim countries which are truly representative of their people and who are friendly or have converging interests with America. in any event American govt does not represent American people but AIPAC

American govt has bullied and bribed leaders and put proxies in place. As the article states a form of neo colonialism

look at the Palestinians Americans claimed that Arafat was not representative of Palestinians. Yet when elections threw up Hamas they could not face dealing with them and unjustly called them terrorists

Btw It is incredibly disgusting that most of the whining here is done by pakistani muslims who opted to settle in USA and its Evil Western allies which according to them are at war with islam.These parasites are granted citizenship and several rights which they couldn't even imagine to get in their wealthy muslim brotherly nations.How hypocritical is that..?

this shows you are racist. I am settled in the UK and yet lots of Brits agree with my views of the world and disagree with the British govt. For example polls showed that a majority of Brits were against the illegal Iraq war. yet you would not question the loyalty of someone who was white who was say lets say 10th generation British but you choose to question and condemn us as third or forth generation Brits.

Blair's popularity plummets | UK news | The Guardian

 

[kalu_miah]

USA have conflicts of interests with some muslim nations and is allied to some other muslim nations.Isn't that itself the most obvious proof that the conflicts of US are based on their national interests and not in religious difference?It is not the fault of USA that some people want to drag islam in conflicts which have many real reasons and core issues other than one party being Muslim.

This is not a new phenomenon...islam was dragged into first world war where ottoman emporer declared 'jihad' on entate powers and made it an "islamic cause".We have seen US-Soviet fist fight in afghanistan declared by vested interests as Afghan jihad and dragged islam and made it islamic cause.Kashmir issue was purposefully portrayed as India's war on islam and jihadis were trained to fight india for allah's cause,even though we were close friends with several muslim nations and palestinian cadets were being graduated from indian defence academies!Imho the real reason behind this is much deaper than just being a dirty tactic to garner support of islamic nations.Many are stuck in a medieval era where everything was based on religion-where Islamic caliphate fought christian roman empires and Zoroastrian Persians.Sadly for them such a world is no more-and here is the present where the world is divided into nation states where national interests count most,where thousands of Muslims from Muslim majority nations are given citizenships in christian majority nations and given more rights than their home countries.So the closest thing they can do to force some fake-reality in their delusional world view is to drag islam in conflicts where Muslims are a party and mask the real political reasons behind those conflicts.

Btw It is incredibly disgusting that most of the whining here is done by pakistani muslims who opted to settle in USA and its Evil Western allies which according to them are at war with islam.These parasites are granted citizenship and several rights which they couldn't even imagine to get in their wealthy muslim brotherly nations.How hypocritical is that..?

A good example of an Islamphobic Hindutva point of view that want to paint Muslims with a broad brush. It causes them great discomfort and heart burn that Muslims can immigrate to Western countries, if it was up to them and their Zionist brothers, they would deport all Muslims, I think, specially the ones that catches their game of Big Lie propaganda:
Big Lie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

To refute people like these, there is a very simple explanation, geopolitical games are played by world powers, not by pawns or victims of these games. So the responsibility always lays with puppet masters, not the puppets.

 

[humanfirst]

Not at all America has attempted to support leaders in Muslim countries which clearly deviate from what America says it stands for eg dictatorships. look at what happened with Iran where US interfered until eventually the people of Iran put in place a govt representative of Iranians
There are few if any Muslim countries which are truly representative of their people and who are friendly or have converging interests with America. in any event American govt does not represent American people but AIPAC
American govt has bullied and bribed leaders and put proxies in place. As the article states a form of neo colonialism
look at the Palestinians Americans claimed that Arafat was not representative of Palestinians. Yet when elections threw up Hamas they could not face dealing with them and unjustly called them terrorists

Americans have pursued their interests in arab world as elsewhere,supporting the leaders suiting their interests regardless of their popular support.But to say america have always been supporing unpopular govts would be factually wrong.They have supported democracies like turkey and hugely polular regimes of Saudi arabia,jordan,UAE etc.During the entire cold war period they supported islamic pakistan against democratic secular India regardless of that nation being democratic/secular or popular/unpopular.For them their interests always topped the priority-and in many cases it brought prosperity and strategic advantages to many muslim nations.Given all this facts instead of cherry picked ones,it would be wrong to deduce that america is "at war wth islam".

this shows you are racist. I am settled in the UK and yet lots of Brits agree with my views of the world and disagree with the British govt. For example polls showed that a majority of Brits were against the illegal Iraq war. yet you would not question the loyalty of someone who was white who was say lets say 10th generation British but you choose to question and condemn us as third or forth generation Brits.

As a brit you have every right to oppose wrong policies of your govt.I was referring to those muslims who whining about west being at war with islam opting to move to evil west and availing all the freedom and rights offered there which they wouldn't get at their middle eastern brotherly nations.And about being racist i was never referring to any race the way you usually refer "white man" in your posts but merely to a subset of hypocrites.

 

[The SC]

For everyone who enjoys a good read, here is something of utmost interest on the subject at hand.

islamophobia in america

Islamophobia: The Challenge of Pluralism in the 21st Century - John L. Esposito, 0brahim Kal1n - Google Books



And here is an essay on the same subject

"Christian kids have enough problems with drugs, alcohol and pornography and should not have to worry about Islam too. "I don't want it in my backyard," says one. Anothersays, "I just think it's not America." "

http://culturalidentity.qwriting.org/files/2011/08/10.18-Mosque-Controversy_-Does-America-Have-a-Muslim-Problem.pdf