US Congress stalls F-16 sale to Pakistan

[Blue Marlin]

@Horus you have many sources now. you may as well merge this with the thread i opened 3 days ago about the exact same thing

 

[Ind4Ever]

Times has changed, US needs Pakistan more than Pakistan needs US

Like how? Time has changed US already packed their bags. You are irrelevant for them.

 

[EagleEyes]

Reasoning used by these idiots in congress is almost laughable.

 

[Blue Marlin]

if Pakistan really wants the f16's so badly for what ever reason then they should pull out the Afghanistan card and say they will dont want them to be a part of the peace process and replace them with russia. and then have the russains have interest in the peace deal. or if that dont work wash your hands with usa and move the meeting to china instead. and make the usa involvement redundant

 

[batmannow]

Putin ? That fella is busy keeping the crashing economy afloat. He is least bit of our worry now. Believe that !

And in hind sight the saudi spearheaded islamic alliance is good for united states because we will leverage our friends in saudi family

sure I belive what you said , but at the ground you are no where from Libya to Afghanistan & from sirya to KSA ?
you been out maneuvered by Mr putin seriously , you can think whatever but your own economy is keeping you out of sirya &thus it's all in the hands of putin now ?
accept it that your days of unchecked manipulation in the world affairs specially in ME is over ?
frist find budget to save your self get defeated in Afghanistan & IRAQ then come & teach your stupid lessons to us ?

Reasoning used by these idiots in congress is almost laughable.

actually it's a mind set , why this world is in mess from Libya to sirya then of IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN all are super jokeS of stupid American policies made by few stupids in pentagon ?

Like how? Time has changed US already packed their bags. You are irrelevant for them.

they are irrelevant for whole world & ME in general these days ?

My point was not on getting 'hit' by sanctions. It was about leverage. China gets more leverage. The better thing is to be free of leverage. Even Chinese.

actually , china has no leverage on us , our relations with China are more deep then what you think & are based on mutual respect .

US needs PAKISTAN

and

PAKISTAN needs F-16's.......Simple.

no we don't , we are playing with their stupid politicians , who will about to fire on their own foot ?lolzz

 

[Quwa]

if Pakistan really wants the f16's so badly for what ever reason then they should pull out the Afghanistan card and say they will dont want them to be a part of the peace process and replace them with russia. and then have the russains have interest in the peace deal. or if that dont work wash your hands with usa and move the meeting to china instead. and make the usa involvement redundant

Ironically, the more antagonistic Pakistan becomes to the U.S, the more likely the U.S will want to "engage" and "build bridges."

 

[Paksanity]

Wasn't it US themselves that offered these planes during Nawaz visit? Am I missing something here?

 

[The Eagle]

Interesting here. So far my opinion would be Lockheed would love to assembly line going on and on so it is good for business and after all its about money. Indian lobby is at his best trying to cancel the deal and has been practicing the same in past on several occasion but so far we had what we could. The defence lobby including Lockheed, is much stronger so the first bet is deal wouldn't be cancel. Even if happened, i still remember the words by ACM, Pakistan is looking for aircraft in East & West both so F-16 isn't the last thing and probably such allegedly cancellation may open new doors for PAF strategist this time to think a little further or like saying out of the box. As far as i know, PAF is not alone a decision maker, so the politician enjoying the western luxury life spending Pakistani tax payers money, will die in such case and will cross any limits to have such pleasures (hopefully it wouldn't happen). It has been discussed and mentioned by members as well that why not PAF doing this or that but i would say the budget allocation has to be done by Pakistan Government as currently NS is office bearer.

Pakistan Zindabad

 

[Hyde]

in my opinion we have spent 2 generations, dreaming and talking about F-16s. Its about time we should invest most of our resources towards further development of JF-17s and acquization of 5th Generation or much more advanced aircrafts beyond F-16s. We have enough F-16s to attain short time goals

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Wasn't it US themselves that offered these planes during Nawaz visit? Am I missing something here?

you got that right. and this is why the US Government plans to keep pushing it until the hold is released.

but like I said earlier, all we need to do is do few favours to KSA and the opposing US Senators will themselves propose the deal.

Indians just cant match the power of KSA.. when their king died Obama who was visiting India .. had to dash to Ryadh to pay his respects along the entire US political elite from both parties.

this all depends on how much we need these planes and if we should use Saudi influence or not. dont forget, we already had the visit of Saudi Crown prince he specially visited GHQ.

Reasoning used by these idiots in congress is almost laughable.

prime example of half-arsed copy pasting.

 

[HAIDER]

What mission? India still does not know what to do & whom to go for.

in 1990's and after that, the only new type of induction was chinese F-7 and now JF-17.

Almost impossible to see new western birds in PAF colours.



I am hoping its got nothing to with pathankot drama and west waiting for pakistan response

Recently American senator raise the question about extremist element in Islamabad , where they show Lal masjid in background . Plus, ISIS activity in Pakistan getting handline. Which is not good sign. But, Pak Interior minister is keep on denying the facts. Extremist religious facts hold rallies in Pakistan capital on gun point. Mullah who is responsible for killing of Islamabad constables is still free. Imagine the power of these extremist factions....That's make American worry.

 

[Wolf]

The chances are that deal will go through as US wont afford to completely bypass or sideline Pakistan. Furthermore, US also knows that if they wont give us jets, we will get even better from other sources. However, it is absolutely the right time that PAF top brass should look for other options and diversify its top of the line jet fleet. And, as other members here mentioned J 16, J 10, J 31, Su 35, J 20 seem to be the only viable options as there is least possibility of sanctions disturbing their future maintenance.

This should be the last F 16 order unless tot is offered which obviously is hard to come by. Furthermore, it is coming at a very high price tag. i could not understand 260 milion dollar per jet deal for these 8 birds.

 

[Blue Marlin]

Ironically, the more antagonistic Pakistan becomes to the U.S, the more likely the U.S will want to "engage" and "build bridges."

they will want to "engage" using laser guided bombs.

 

[SipahSalar]

USA will lose whatever little leverage they still have with Pakistan.

 

[Blue Marlin]

you got that right. and this is why the US Government plans to keep pushing it until the hold is released.

but like I said earlier, all we need to do is do few favours to KSA and the opposing US Senators will themselves propose the deal.

Indians just cant match the power of KSA.. when their king died Obama who was visiting India .. had to dash to Ryadh to pay his respects along the entire US political elite from both parties.

this all depends on how much we need these planes and if we should use Saudi influence or not. dont forget, we already had the visit of Saudi Crown prince he specially visited GHQ.


prime example of half-arsed copy pasting.

why?........ why should you work and spill the blood of your own people for somone else. have you not done that enough already? let the defence lobbyist do the work here and the government.
i just very recently was speaking to an analyist,(about an hour ago) and he told me that 8 f16's is too low and will most likely be the first stage of a larger order and it was anticipated that this request be "held up" and once the sale goes through it would be extreamly easy for follow on orders to go through without objection. this means pakistan will not be looking at a new platform till early mid 2020's as they are eyeing the j31 which needs to be fully matured and the ws-13 need to be reliable as the rd-93 which was an example he highlighted