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Helicopter engine is the most complicated machine compare to plane engine. Only few countries in the world manufacture helicopter engine. Where US,Canada/licensed, France/lincesed, Russia, Japan are the main source. Rest has assembly licenses. Even Chinese are working with France/Airbus to manufacture engine.as a spokesman, what kind of the position that he is putting his country in? can't released a proper statement without mentioning other country?
from US of A to europe, No China, No life these days?
You are mentally retarded.
F16 block 70 will still have superior AESA jammers and superior BVR to PL15.
It will also have precision strike capacity
What it will lack(if pass hx is judgement) is antiship and stand off ammunition
its not fair to compare b52 with jf17b3 since its a 20 years old iteration and any future procurement will be of block70.
PAF has weighed this and have come to conculsion; more f16s only if cheaper then block 3 i.e EAD or FMF
Which other weapons systems has Turkey exported to other countries with US equipment (or engines) in them after S-400 deal ?
I thought the same when Pakistan gave them a 1 year grace period...Making a RELIABLE PROVEN engine is not like building a car or a bike. Lol. It takes huge investment , skills, constant quality checks by putting engine under the most severe stress conditions etc and most of all time. If not many countries will be making engines here and there . So Pakistan will have to wait for quite some time for that.
If Germans had created trouble for SPH and Altay MBT then Pakistan must be aware of that. Pakistan had been denied more F-16s from Jordan as well as hurdles for funding were created to sell PAF 8 x new F-16s by USA. Furthermore, when TuAF requested pilots for F-16s and PAF's pilots wanted to volunteer, they were denied access by USA. So The issue exists, however, in the backdrop of all these developments Pakistan and Turkey still went ahead to sign a deal for T-129. Surely, there must be guarantees of delivery given by TAI and a backup plan would have been put forth for Pakistan Army to acquire these gunships. This is a $1.5 Billion project/contract. Its hard to believe that TAI and Pakistan did not already see this coming from USA.There are mostly problems with the German government in this regard. They blocked SPH exports for a long time, due to the engine it carried. Today, these problems continue with the Altay's MTU-RENK engine and transmission. As of now, Pakistan is the only country where the US has put an obstacle.
Are T-70 being exported to another countries ?I would like to remind you that currently Sikorsky-TAI T-70 helicoper program engine production continues in TEI facilities under license.Ongoing production processes in projects such as T70 and the existing logistic & maintenance operations, Turkey's current ATAK improvment activities about overcome the obstacles and Pakistan's new procurement schedule decisions with Turkey rather than focusing on a new heli, all these makes me think that the Problem is not one-dimensional.
Or for the time being turkey fits the helicopter with comparable euro Russian or Ukrainian engines
And latter batches with indigenous ones
Or for the time being turkey fits the helicopter with comparable euro Russian or Ukrainian engines
And latter batches with indigenous ones
If this is correct than solution is to seek joint venture (JV) with Turkey and get some European companies onboard. This should have been done much earlier but better late than never.
The first step would be towards a light transport helicopter, maybe 3-4 seater apart from pilot/co pilot.I think it's time to develop a gunship just like the JF 17 program.....
If Germans had created trouble for SPH and Altay MBT then Pakistan must be aware of that. Pakistan had been denied more F-16s from Jordan as well as hurdles for funding were created to sell PAF 8 x new F-16s by USA. Furthermore, when TuAF requested pilots for F-16s and PAF's pilots wanted to volunteer, they were denied access by USA. So The issue exists, however, in the backdrop of all these developments Pakistan and Turkey still went ahead to sign a deal for T-129. Surely, there must be guarantees of delivery given by TAI and a backup plan would have been put forth for Pakistan Army to acquire these gunships. This is a $1.5 Billion project/contract. Its hard to believe that TAI and Pakistan did not already see this coming from USA.
Are T-70 being exported to another countries ?
I think Turkey sold drones to Azerbaijan, TB2 Bayratkar. These have Turkish systems, weapons and propulsion systems. Im interested to see if Turkey sold any USA origin weaponry to other countries, especially after S-400 deal. Do you have any data or links ?
It doesn't change the fact that they produce great machines and despite all the cons when going for their equipment, Pakistan loves it.USA is famous for ”Lara Lappa”. They never keep their promises. We have examples from 1971,1979-1989, 2001, 2011 and now.
The guarantee was that the Turks put money aside from their national budget to finance this deal. Not only that, but the specs of the PAA T129s are identical to those of the Turkish military ones. So, if things go south (as they have), the Turks just take delivery, and we don't pay a dime.If Germans had created trouble for SPH and Altay MBT then Pakistan must be aware of that. Pakistan had been denied more F-16s from Jordan as well as hurdles for funding were created to sell PAF 8 x new F-16s by USA. Furthermore, when TuAF requested pilots for F-16s and PAF's pilots wanted to volunteer, they were denied access by USA. So The issue exists, however, in the backdrop of all these developments Pakistan and Turkey still went ahead to sign a deal for T-129. Surely, there must be guarantees of delivery given by TAI and a backup plan would have been put forth for Pakistan Army to acquire these gunships. This is a $1.5 Billion project/contract. Its hard to believe that TAI and Pakistan did not already see this coming from USA.
Are T-70 being exported to another countries ?
I think Turkey sold drones to Azerbaijan, TB2 Bayratkar. These have Turkish systems, weapons and propulsion systems. Im interested to see if Turkey sold any USA origin weaponry to other countries, especially after S-400 deal. Do you have any data or links ?
PAA is looking at different gunships and acquiring the ones it can get its hands on. Initially there were 20 AH-1S, which were later upgraded to AH-1F. PAA got more AH-1 and the final tally were 51 AH-1F with 3 crashes, leaving 48 in total. Alongside PAA evaluated other gunships like Z-10, Mi-28, i think EC Tiger, Mi-35, etc. Then PAA went ahead and finalized Mi-35 and AH-1Z, out of which Mi-35 got delivered. After that, T-129 and Z-10 came into light. So the suppliers for gunships are USA, Russia, possibly Turkey and maybe China.USA is famous for ”Lara Lappa”. They never keep their promises. We have examples from 1971,1979-1989, 2001, 2011, 2017 and now.
Our army is in love with their goods and overlook everything else, maybe because of the free shopping and gifts they get from the contractor.
So its a safe bet, almost. Pakistan might secure a similar deal with Chinese for Z-10, if some version of Z-10 will fly in PAA colors finally.The guarantee was that the Turks put money aside from their national budget to finance this deal. Not only that, but the specs of the PAA T129s are identical to those of the Turkish military ones. So, if things go south (as they have), the Turks just take delivery, and we don't pay a dime.