US Aims to Revive Projects in Central Asia, Asia-Pacific to Counter OBOR

[hussain0216]

How many countries are in CPEC? Just two - China and Pakistan.

How many countries are in INSTC? 14 Countries

Iran,
Russia
India
Republic of Azerbaijan,
Republic of Armenia,
Republic of Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyz Republic,
Republic of Tajikistan,
Republic of Turkey,
Republic of Ukraine,
Republic of Belarus,
Oman,
Syria,
Bulgaria (Observer)

How many countries would be in IPEC? 19 Countries

Bangladesh,
Bhutan,
India,
Nepal,
Sri Lanka,
Myanmar,
Thailand,
Indonesia,
Malaysia,
Philippines,
Singapore,
Brunei,
Cambodia,
Laos,
Vietnam,
South Korea
Australia
Japan,
USA

You forgot France, Brazil, Italy, Papua new Guinea, Namibia and Mali

Dreams are no substitute for substance

 

[StraightShooter]

You forgot France, Brazil, Italy, Papua new Guinea, Namibia and Mali

Dreams are no substitute for substance

Why do you say that? Why don't you refer to the below to confirm yourself.

http://www.instc-org.ir/Pages/Home_Page.aspx

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PA00KZQ1.pdf

 

[grey boy 2]

How many countries are in CPEC? Just two - China and Pakistan.

How many countries are in INSTC? 14 Countries

Iran,
Russia
India
Republic of Azerbaijan,
Republic of Armenia,
Republic of Kazakhstan,
Kyrgyz Republic,
Republic of Tajikistan,
Republic of Turkey,
Republic of Ukraine,
Republic of Belarus,
Oman,
Syria,
Bulgaria (Observer)

How many countries would be in IPEC? 19 Countries

Bangladesh,
Bhutan,
India,
Nepal,
Sri Lanka,
Myanmar,
Thailand,
Indonesia,
Malaysia,
Philippines,
Singapore,
Brunei,
Cambodia,
Laos,
Vietnam,
South Korea
Australia
Japan,
USA

Yawn, CPEC has already started in full steam mode and you're talking about an "Indian "dream", wasn't even on paper yet, how can you possibly comparing a dream with reality to begin with?
Come on, wake up Indians for pete's sake please

 

[hussain0216]

Why do you say that? Why don't you refer to the below to confirm yourself.

http://www.instc-org.ir/Pages/Home_Page.aspx

http://pdf.usaid.gov/pdf_docs/PA00KZQ1.pdf

Plans are nothing without action on the ground..

These are pie in the sky projects

Even suggesting Afghanistan which is in the midst of chaos and a Taliban insurgency will have anything flow through it is the aspirational nonsense I'm talking about
Same with Iran and the coming storm the Zionists are in full confrontation mode and you think the U.S will make Iran central to the ts project

Your road east is already connected by coast, what's tarmac going to do?

 

[jbond197]

Yes ofcourse, you also forget population of Pakistan, and central asia with CHina. lol.

Pakistan is fine, but you serioisly think Central asia will chose China over US. I think they will have reservation to neither, and will go with whover givw them more benefits.

 

[StraightShooter]

Yawn, CPEC has already started in full steam mode and you're talking about an "Indian "dream", wasn't even on paper yet, how can you possibly comparing a dream with reality to begin with?
Come on, wake up Indians for pete's sake please

On Paper? Dry run was already conducted for INSTC

http://commerce.nic.in/publications/INSTC_Dry_run_report_Final.pdf

and on IPEC front there is already a plan to extend the current IMT (India-Myanmar-Thailand highway) to the CLMV (Cambodia, Lao PDR and Vietnam) countries in the second phase.

Plans are nothing without action on the ground..

These are pie in the sky projects

Even suggesting Afghanistan which is in the midst of chaos and a Taliban insurgency will have anything flow through it is the aspirational nonsense I'm talking about
Same with Iran and the coming storm the Zionists are in full confrontation mode and you think the U.S will make Iran central to the ts project

Your road east is already connected by coast, what's tarmac going to do?

US is not involved with INSTC.

INSTC is primarily being driven by Russia, Iran and India while IPEC is being driven by US, Japan and India.

India is the bridge between these two initiatives.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

The Maritime Silk route part of OBOR (blue line) would be the most impacted.

Sri Lanka, India, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Thailand Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia, Vietnam, South Korea, Australia, Japan and US would all be part of IPEC

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So you are saying Pakistan would not be part of IPEC and would oppose US?

Again, how is this relevant?

some countries overlap, but it just means that they will get a boost in trade from both infrastructure investments. Unless they are convinced to drop OBOR projects, which they wont.

 

[StraightShooter]

Again, how is this relevant?

some countries overlap, but it just means that they will get a boost in trade from both infrastructure investments. Unless they are convinced to drop OBOR projects, which they wont.

Of course countries will take all investments that comes in.

Iran is part of both INSTC and OBOR while Myanmar is part of both IPEC and OBOR.

India is part of both INSTC and IPEC but not OBOR.

Pakistan is part of OBOR(CPEC) but not part of INSTC or IPEC.

The point is China, Russia and US/Japan would try to influence the countries in their favored projects which means there would not be any monopoly by China (except in case of Pakistan) due to competition.

 

[illusion8]

The logic is many countries have made trillions without exploiting the so called "spoils and trade opportunities of central asia". So its not that the world economy will perish if it does not tap the "magic" of central Asia.

The most profitable trade links are the ones that run across the Atlantic, Indian ocean to the Pacific. Most infrastructure is already in place along these routes, there only needs to be a formal agreement in place.

 

[Canuck786]

Seriously though, seems like US although not very vocal about their feeling of being threatened by CPEC is starting to show it. It would only authenticate claims made by China and Pakistan of CPEC as a global game changer. The only difference between American and Chinese strategy is America wants its monopoly on entire world while China on the other hand wants to make it a win win situation for all parties.

 

[Flash_Ninja]

Of course countries will take all investments that comes in.

Iran is part of both INSTC and OBOR while Myanmar is part of both IPEC and OBOR.

India is part of both INSTC and IPEC but not OBOR.

Pakistan is part of OBOR(CPEC) but not part of INSTC or IPEC.

The point is China, Russia and US/Japan would try to influence the countries in their favored projects which means there would not be any monopoly by China (except in case of Pakistan) due to competition.

Can AAGC match the $200 billion+ in investments?

 

[StraightShooter]

Can IPEC match the $200 billion+ in investments?

The bar may be high in case of Pakistan but it not so in case of other countries. US-Japan have enough deep pockets to sway those countries away from Chinese proposals.

 

[MultaniGuy]

The bar may be high in case of Pakistan but it not so in case of other countries. US-Japan have enough deep pockets to sway those countries away from Chinese proposals.

Umm.. No they don't.

Maybe only India and Australia may side with USA + Japan.

And also Vietnam

 

[Flash_Ninja]

The bar may be high in case of Pakistan but it not so in case of other countries. US-Japan have enough deep pockets to sway those countries away from Chinese proposals.

I doubt the US would ever OK a project on OBOR's scale, remember that under Trump they plan to increase military spending ($54 billion), overhaul American infrastructure ($1-2 Trillion), and construct a border wall along mexico ($20-70 billion). They are already running a large deficit as it is, and I dont think that congress would ever approve a project of that scale abroad, especially if the Chinese have already beat them to the punch in a lot of the countries that are referenced.

Japan could fund a project like that, but it goes against their current economic strategy under Abe, unless they do it in the form of loans either directly or through ADB in which case the Chinese have them beat as a lot of OBOR is direct investment.

Also bear in mind that OBOR creates connectivity between Eurasia, whereas this project links Africa and Asia-Pacific, there is a massive difference in terms of scale, and the value of trade taking place in both these regions. More valuable goods will definitely be going through OBOR to sell in Europe as opposed to Africa.

 

[StraightShooter]

I doubt the US would ever OK a project on OBOR's scale, remember that under Trump they plan to increase military spending ($54 billion), overhaul American infrastructure ($1-2 Trillion), and construct a border wall along mexico ($20-70 billion). They are already running a large deficit as it is, and I dont think that congress would ever approve a project of that scale abroad, especially if the Chinese have already beat them to the punch in a lot of the countries that are referenced.

Japan could fund a project like that, but it goes against their current economic strategy under Abe, unless they do it in the form of loans either directly or through ADB in which case the Chinese have them beat as a lot of OBOR is direct investment.

Also bear in mind that OBOR creates connectivity between Eurasia, whereas this project links Africa and Asia-Pacific, there is a massive difference in terms of scale, and the value of trade taking place in both these regions. More valuable goods will definitely be going through OBOR to sell in Europe as opposed to Africa.

In case of OBOR, China is the investor while in case of IPEC there would be multiple investors US, Japan, India, South Korea etc.