Urgent: An Egyptian military base in Eritrea

[HannibalBarca]

I know. I was speaking about this in relation to your surprise of MB winning the election (we all know that it was not a complete election in the sense that many people stayed home) under Morsi which I don't think was much of a surprise knowing the presence of the MB in Egypt for close to a century. Luckily for Egypt and Egyptians (IMO), they have become wiser on this front.
Anyway it was a much bigger surprise to me that a MB party was elected in Tunisia. All I was alluding to.

Tunisia will be fine. Just control your opportunists and the lot who think that changes can occur within a few days because someone else in the neighborhood (Italy for instance) has something that Tunisia does not. It's a long-term process and which is why I prefer the many promising reforms on all fronts (much needed) that King Salman and MbS are pursuing (with popular support and national dialogue) unlike what many authoritarian regimes (look at the Shah in Iran in the 1960's and 1970's who tried to change Iran artificially to something it never was and is not to this very day - which of course backfired badly) did or are doing of changes.

As long as positive changes occur for a country and population, even if it they do not occur under a democratic umbrella, it is ALWAYS much more preferable to a dysfunctional democracy. Plenty examples in our immediate region of that alone.

MB election in Tunisia... is a little different than Egypt... since before their Election, we already had "The First" Election after Ben-Ali...who gave the keys of Carthage to a very very very stupid, incompetent man "Marzouki" also called the "Turtle" , Well those attributes were to be seen later on... .
So Tunisian wanted to change him at any cost in the next election... But in that second one..;only one powerful party "Ennahda" (MB affiliated) was viable, with interesting roadmap...well at least on Paper... So ppl elected them... Not only Religious ones, but almost in every "ideological" circle...

The result wasn't good either... not worst than the first..;but still not good... We've got every ex-retard, bandits, rats who wanted to buy a new" life" under this Religious party, so they all started to get this 3 meters beard, Djelabbah and so on... It was the closest incarnation of what Religious Mafia could be... (many bought/made fake beard...)

Pl got tired of them... Therefore, they elected at the next one... the Oldest President ON EARTH...Mister Essebsi also known as "The Walking Dead"... They are a bit of everything...till this day...can't really say...what they really are... But since they are around, things begun to change...More Order, Rule of Law, increase security and therefore Def purchases (Kirpi, Black Hawk, Attack Helis, Drones, Boats, Radars etc...) + an European like Police Force and Special Forces... with every high tech equipment etc...
But the True man of Power is the FM, Mister Youssef Chahed... Evry hard "desciion" were taken by Him, first in the popularity scale... even after this controversial Finance law... (Could be the next President...)

So since then...Things are "Finally" moving to the right way...reforms are applied, voted and so on... That's why When few members keep telling me, that with Democracy you can't apply hard line/difficult Reforms... I can't help myself but to smile.

And Last, i think we need every type of thinking and personalities..; Even the retards, or radicals on any sides... They are needed in Democracy... theyare useful, in a way that ppl with same thinking will not find themselfs isolated, and therefore could balance the political and social ecosystem of this country...
We even have a party "Hezb el Tahrir".. who call for the instauration of a Kahalifat and such with Black Banner and such... Yep you saw well...
That's how Tunisian Democracy is... That even in most Advanced Western ones... you can't find such...

Many things are still to be done... But at least Tunisians started to take their country as their own... something under previous regime, it wasn't the case... One Exemple of such..; is what happen with protests... During Riots at night made by rats..;ppl took the street to fight and push them away... that's why they are no more active right now... It's one of many..; but it's good sign...

 

[-SINAN-]

It is getting absurd. Now Eritrea is getting envious so they are inviting half of the region to (UAE and KSA already have a presence). Let us see if Erdogan wants to join the party.

If you ask me. Only our base in Somalia is important because of our SLV project. Military bases in Qatar, Djubiti and Sudan are not needed.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

MB election in Tunisia... is a little different than Egypt... since before their Election, we already had "The First" Election after Ben-Ali...who gave the keys of Carthage to a very very very stupid, incompetent man "Marzouki" also called the "Turtle" , Well those attributes were to be seen later on... .
So Tunisian wanted to change him at any cost in the next election... But in that second one..;only one powerful party "Ennahda" (MB affiliated) was viable, with interesting roadmap...well at least on Paper... So ppl elected them... Not only Religious ones, but almost in every "ideological" circle...

The result wasn't good either... not worst than the first..;but still not good... We've got every ex-retard, bandits, rats who wanted to buy a new" life" under this Religious party, so they all started to get this 3 meters beard, Djelabbah and so on... It was the closest incarnation of what Religious Mafia could be... (many bought/made fake beard...)

Pl got tired of them... Therefore, they elected at the next one... the Oldest President ON EARTH...Mister Essebsi also known as "The Walking Dead"... They are a bit of everything...till this day...can't really say...what they really are... But since they are around, things begun to change...More Order, Rule of Law, increase security and therefore Def purchases (Kirpi, Black Hawk, Attack Helis, Drones, Boats, Radars etc...) + an European like Police Force and Special Forces... with every high tech equipment etc...
But the True man of Power is the FM, Mister Youssef Chahed... Evry hard "desciion" were taken by Him, first in the popularity scale... even after this controversial Finance law... (Could be the next President...)

So since then...Things are "Finally" moving to the right way...reforms are applied, voted and so on... That's why When few members keep telling me, that with Democracy you can't apply hard line/difficult Reforms... I can't help myself but to smile.

And Last, i think we need every type of thinking and personalities..; Even the retards, or radicals on any sides... They are needed in Democracy... theyare useful, in a way that ppl with same thinking will not find themselfs isolated, and therefore could balance the political and social ecosystem of this country...
We even have a party "Hezb el Tahrir".. who call for the instauration of a Kahalifat and such with Black Banner and such... Yep you saw well...
That's how Tunisian Democracy is... That even in most Advanced Western ones... you can't find such...

Many things are still to be done... But at least Tunisians started to take their country as their own... something under previous regime, it wasn't the case... One Exemple of such..; is what happen with protests... During Riots at night made by rats..;ppl took the street to fight and push them away... that's why they are no more active right now... It's one of many..; but it's good sign...

Keep the informative posts going bro. Always a pleasure to read and become wiser (although I know Tunisia quite well due to many Tunisian friends and having visited the country) but obviously natives will always know much more about the dynamics of their country than foreigners even fellow Arabs. No comparison really.

You should create a thread about Tunisia where such issues could be discussed and where positive news is posted. Back in the day (before your time here) I encouraged the only two Tunisian users back then @Mootaz-khelifi @Tunisian Marine Corps to create a military thread.

If you ask me. Only our base in Somalia is important because of our SLV project. Military bases in Qatar, Djubiti and Sudan are not needed.

The Sudanese island, was it not a lease and renovation of the old city on the Suakin island? Maybe a port will be built with a limited presence of Turkish soldiers but I would be honestly surprised if Sudan (a large (geographically) and populous country) would allow any long-term foreign bases. Sudan is not Djibouti or Eritrea with all due respect to those two countries.

As for Somalia it is a bit the same as in Djibouti or Eritrea only bigger and much more unstable. There is also the Puntland issue but Somalia is strategic due to the long coastline. Many countries have a presence there and try to gain influence (Turkey, KSA, UAE etc.) There are politicians there aligned with all 3 nations.

I forgot that even Qatar is involved in Somalia.

Not to mention the West and China.

Horn of Africa is basically a playground for regional and international powers. For good and bad.

People there (some) might dislike the regimes of those countries but Arabs and Somalians have close and brotherly ties by large (a large Arab minority and after all Somalia is an Arab League member state) and we wish the best for them regardless who will be present. Horn of Arica is a neighbor region and it being stable and prosperous is good for the wider region. It is an important region geostrategically and rich in resources. With overall good people who have suffered a lot.

Ethiopia in particular has tremendous potential due to population (120 million almost), history and potential, resources etc. but Egypt and Ethiopia have a dispute currently due to the dam project. KSA has somewhat cordial relations with all Horn of Africa countries (now after Sudan-KSA relations becoming warm again a few years ago - last year KSA's air force and Sudan's air force did a military exercises in Sudan) so we are some sort of mediator between Egypt and others if there are problems and disputes for the time being. It is a very complicated situation.

 

[-SINAN-]

The Sudanese island, was it not a lease and renovation of the old city on the Suakin island? Maybe a port will be built with a limited presence of Turkish soldiers but I would be honestly surprised if Sudan (a large (geographically) and populous country) would allow any long-term foreign bases. Sudan is not Djibouti or Eritrea with all due respect to those two countries.

NO, i'm only speaking about speculations. There are no plans for building a military base in Sudan.

As for Somalia it is a bit the same as in Djibouti or Eritrea only bigger and much more unstable. There is also the Puntland issue but Somalia is strategic due to the long coastline. Many countries have a presence there and try to gain influence (Turkey, KSA, UAE etc.) There are politicians there aligned with all 3 nations.

I forgot that even Qatar is involved in Somalia.

Not to mention the West and China.

Horn of Africa is basically a playground for regional and international powers. For good and bad.

I think, Turkey is not ready for the power play far from home....Maybe 10-20 later but not now.

 

[The SC]

Where are all the other Turkish members? How about this spot-on view here? I like it.

Your view is quite refreshing considering the wicked pro-Turkish and rampant anti Sisi/Egypt sentiment on this very forum, and not just from Turks but from quite a few Pakistani members whom I think feel the need to be blindly supportive of Turkey against Egypt simply from a loyalty standpoint because of Pak/Turkey relations and ensuing Turk/Egyptian animosity.

And I agree with everything you said except maybe Sisi could show that rare courage and extend a conciliatory hand. There's nothing wrong with that and that's also what makes strong leaders into great leaders. They don't need to show that tough, non-backing down attitude all the time. Sometimes great leadership requires going against the grain for the betterment of the cause. Prime example -- albeit rather extreme by comparison -- is what Sadat did by going to war against Israel then offering peace. Peace with Israel!? How dare he? Especially while they still controlled half of Sinai?! What a wuss.

There is no need to extend a hand to each other.. the whole thing is played on a political level.. but commerce which is much more important did not suffer and still going on between Egypt and Turkey.. the rest is an international geopolitical game played by all governments of the world to further their own national interests..

 

[Mootaz-khelifi]

MB election in Tunisia... is a little different than Egypt... since before their Election, we already had "The First" Election after Ben-Ali...who gave the keys of Carthage to a very very very stupid, incompetent man "Marzouki" also called the "Turtle" , Well those attributes were to be seen later on... .
So Tunisian wanted to change him at any cost in the next election... But in that second one..;only one powerful party "Ennahda" (MB affiliated) was viable, with interesting roadmap...well at least on Paper... So ppl elected them... Not only Religious ones, but almost in every "ideological" circle...

The result wasn't good either... not worst than the first..;but still not good... We've got every ex-retard, bandits, rats who wanted to buy a new" life" under this Religious party, so they all started to get this 3 meters beard, Djelabbah and so on... It was the closest incarnation of what Religious Mafia could be... (many bought/made fake beard...)

Pl got tired of them... Therefore, they elected at the next one... the Oldest President ON EARTH...Mister Essebsi also known as "The Walking Dead"... They are a bit of everything...till this day...can't really say...what they really are... But since they are around, things begun to change...More Order, Rule of Law, increase security and therefore Def purchases (Kirpi, Black Hawk, Attack Helis, Drones, Boats, Radars etc...) + an European like Police Force and Special Forces... with every high tech equipment etc...
But the True man of Power is the FM, Mister Youssef Chahed... Evry hard "desciion" were taken by Him, first in the popularity scale... even after this controversial Finance law... (Could be the next President...)

So since then...Things are "Finally" moving to the right way...reforms are applied, voted and so on... That's why When few members keep telling me, that with Democracy you can't apply hard line/difficult Reforms... I can't help myself but to smile.

And Last, i think we need every type of thinking and personalities..; Even the retards, or radicals on any sides... They are needed in Democracy... theyare useful, in a way that ppl with same thinking will not find themselfs isolated, and therefore could balance the political and social ecosystem of this country...
We even have a party "Hezb el Tahrir".. who call for the instauration of a Kahalifat and such with Black Banner and such... Yep you saw well...
That's how Tunisian Democracy is... That even in most Advanced Western ones... you can't find such...

Many things are still to be done... But at least Tunisians started to take their country as their own... something under previous regime, it wasn't the case... One Exemple of such..; is what happen with protests... During Riots at night made by rats..;ppl took the street to fight and push them away... that's why they are no more active right now... It's one of many..; but it's good sign...

my friend one thing u got it wrong Kirpi, Black Hawk, , Drones, Boats, Radars etc are in time of troika except ejder and OH-58 are in time of baji i served in the army in time of troika 2014 before election we received the 1st batch of kirpi and we signed the black hawk deal and we got the scan eagle and started constructing istiklal in troika time

 

[MMM-E]

The only problem is Erdogan.

maybe The only problem is Sisi

Erdogan ( Turkey ) and Moursi ( Egypt ) were great allies ( the strongest power in the World after the US,Russia and China )

 

[Muhammed45]

You are talking like drunk...Despite Sisi regime allied with Greece and North Cyprus in Mediterranian sea againist us Turkey has neither covert or overt any military agenda and plan againist Egypt...As we know Red Sea is a very strategic sea passage of world and that is why many countries have military bases in Djibuti, Eritrea, Somalia......

The hidden powers and financial creditors that behind the dam projects in Etiopia are no other than Sisi freinds Israel and US...First Sisi regime must have engage in that serious threat and powers have deployed ISIS in the Sinai peninsula....

Beware of Us, Israel and their stooge UAE's hidden dangerous plans againist Egypt...it may be too late when you have realized you have been stabbed...

Regardless of emotional bombs that exploded on this thread, i found this comment the only one that makes sense.

I'm your follower Jamaal bro

 

[Gomig-21]

I disagree with you. The moment Erdogan leaves the power, relation between Turkey and Egypt will go back to way it was.

You really think so? So while we're at it, where are the signs that Erdogan is going anywhere in any near or distant future? The irony of all this is how some of the members will bark and spit at Sisi while calling him a dictator who came into power through an illegal coup and yak yak yak, but at the end of the day, what's the real difference between him and Erdogan? One has acquired his strength and power through a military stance while the other is consolidating his power through intimidation and manipulation by changing the political laws which will end up giving him unlimited power. I think it's quite obvious that both are behaving like dictators and with the way Erdogan is trying to shape the laws, I doubt we're going to see him relinquish power anytime soon. So I'll ask you and all the other Turkish members (as well as pro-Erdogan Pakistani members who bash Sisi using the coup/dictator card and pro-Morsi/Muslim brotherhood/Turkish support) to make the distinction. One does it with armed, military thugs because of his military position and the other does it with armed thugs wearing $3,000 suits and a pen.

There is no need to extend a hand to each other..

You know you and I agree on almost everything except for a few minor things here and there, so I'll ask you why not? Why not be the better person and with that action, if the tensions are reduced, then these other after-effects wouldn't have such bitterness and cause troop movements and counter-military bases and tit-for-tat responses and so on. It would go a long way with all these other issues that are playing out right in front of our eyes. And if for some reason it doesn't work because the Turkish side is stubborn or for whatever reason, then the hell with them and you know you did the right thing and now it's on them. Part of the strength of great leaders and what separates men from boys is that ability to handle diplomacy in the midst of political adversity.

Regardless of emotional bombs that exploded on this thread, i found this comment the only one that makes sense.
I'm your follower Jamaal bro

So you're ok when a member doesn't understand another member's post and then makes it personal and resorts to insults by claiming that other member "is talking like drunk?" I'm actually not surprised by that.

 

[Muhammed45]

So you're ok when a member doesn't understand another member's post and then makes it personal and resorts to insults by claiming that other member "is talking like drunk?" I'm actually not surprised by that.

No sir, i was referring to his idea about US-Israeli trouble makers, he was right.

US has stabbed us already and when someone says the truth, i appreciate. I wasn't even agreeing about Jamaal's idea about Sisi and his government since i know little about Sisi, btw he said the truth about US, Israel and UAE.

 

[The SC]

You know you and I agree on almost everything except for a few minor things here and there, so I'll ask you why not? Why not be the better person and with that action, if the tensions are reduced, then these other after-effects wouldn't have such bitterness and cause troop movements and counter-military bases and tit-for-tat responses and so on. It would go a long way with all these other issues that are playing out right in front of our eyes. And if for some reason it doesn't work because the Turkish side is stubborn or for whatever reason, then the hell with them and you know you did the right thing and now it's on them. Part of the strength of great leaders and what separates men from boys is that ability to handle diplomacy in the midst of political adversity.



So you're ok when a member doesn't understand another member's post and then makes it personal and resorts to insults by claiming that other member "is talking like drunk?" I'm actually not surprised by that.

Please do not get me wrong bro..I am all for good relations between Egypt and Turkey.. I talked about the commerce sector being alive between the two countries.. for that, Egypt has already shown great leadership.. other nations will cut even that part of relationships when another country won't recognize its political leadership.. So, I think both are being pragmatic somehow.. and of course, if things get better..we can see much more cooperation and mutually beneficial relationships.. I see also a strategic game being played in the region through those Egyptian, Turkish and other regional powers.. with every country or group of countries looking for their own interests first.. and this will happen regardless of if Egypt and Turkey keep this pragmatic limited relationship or go full good relationship.. self interests will always be the main priority for each nation..

 

[mahatir]

You really think so? So while we're at it, where are the signs that Erdogan is going anywhere in any near or distant future? The irony of all this is how some of the members will bark and spit at Sisi while calling him a dictator who came into power through an illegal coup and yak yak yak, but at the end of the day, what's the real difference between him and Erdogan? One has acquired his strength and power through a military stance while the other is consolidating his power through intimidation and manipulation by changing the political laws which will end up giving him unlimited power. I think it's quite obvious that both are behaving like dictators and with the way Erdogan is trying to shape the laws, I doubt we're going to see him relinquish power anytime soon. So I'll ask you and all the other Turkish members (as well as pro-Erdogan Pakistani members who bash Sisi using the coup/dictator card and pro-Morsi/Muslim brotherhood/Turkish support) to make the distinction. One does it with armed, military thugs because of his military position and the other does it with armed thugs wearing $3,000 suits and a pen.



You know you and I agree on almost everything except for a few minor things here and there, so I'll ask you why not? Why not be the better person and with that action, if the tensions are reduced, then these other after-effects wouldn't have such bitterness and cause troop movements and counter-military bases and tit-for-tat responses and so on. It would go a long way with all these other issues that are playing out right in front of our eyes. And if for some reason it doesn't work because the Turkish side is stubborn or for whatever reason, then the hell with them and you know you did the right thing and now it's on them. Part of the strength of great leaders and what separates men from boys is that ability to handle diplomacy in the midst of political adversity.



So you're ok when a member doesn't understand another member's post and then makes it personal and resorts to insults by claiming that other member "is talking like drunk?" I'm actually not surprised by that.

The problem now Turkey is ruled by an Islamist , he only works for the interests of the MB .
If Turkey was ruled by a Turkish secular nationalist things could have been easily sorted out .

 

[HannibalBarca]

The problem now Turkey is ruled by an Islamist , he only works for the interests of the MB .
If Turkey was ruled by a Turkish secular nationalist things could have been easily sorted out .

Not really...
TurKey-Egypt "problematic" relationship was there under Nasser presidency... With Baghdad pact/ Israel being recognized/ Syria ...
At 2 moment in this short history where "Relations" were interesting/normal...
Under Late presidency of Mubarak, with a balanced statut quo...
And After 2011...till 2013 with the expulsion of the Turkish Ambassador...

It doesn't depend on Being Islamist or secularist or anything else... but mostly if the one in Power come at a moment were both sides got or not mutual strategic agendas...

 

[-SINAN-]

You really think so? So while we're at it, where are the signs that Erdogan is going anywhere in any near or distant future?

There are no such signs. Erdoğan is very powerful in the country. There is no opposition leader who can challenge him due to his popularity.

The irony of all this is how some of the members will bark and spit at Sisi while calling him a dictator who came into power through an illegal coup and yak yak yak, but at the end of the day, what's the real difference between him and Erdogan? One has acquired his strength and power through a military stance while the other is consolidating his power through intimidation and manipulation by changing the political laws which will end up giving him unlimited power. I think it's quite obvious that both are behaving like dictators and with the way Erdogan is trying to shape the laws, I doubt we're going to see him relinquish power anytime soon. So I'll ask you and all the other Turkish members (as well as pro-Erdogan Pakistani members who bash Sisi using the coup/dictator card and pro-Morsi/Muslim brotherhood/Turkish support) to make the distinction. One does it with armed, military thugs because of his military position and the other does it with armed thugs wearing $3,000 suits and a pen.

Some think that democracy is only the voting. They forget about separation of powers, Independence of juridical system, free speech, free press, human rights, etc...

Erdoğan only wins the elections, than spit on the rest.

About Sisi, i don't know much. I only know he grabbed the power by coup. Most of the Turks hate coups, because we suffered 3 coups, in 1960s, 1970s and 1980s... There is saying that "A coup takes back the country 10 years back." Soldiers don't make great managers and each coup literally fvcked our country.

But if Egyptians are okay with the coup and Sisi than no one else has a right to say anything about it.

 

[Jamaal Yelmaaz]

The problem now Turkey is ruled by an Islamist , he only works for the interests of the MB .
If Turkey was ruled by a Turkish secular nationalist things could have been easily sorted out .

Erdogan and his party is not islamist...He is a rightwing conservative.....Secularist sysytem still work well in Turkey. neither Erdogan nor his party have any agenda to make some changes in the systen despite they have power to do so.....

The main reasons make West, israel and their regional stooges unrest and fury about Erdogan is his anti-imperialist ant sionist stance...