Update: Iran Presidential Election 2017 - Rouhani is re-elected for second term

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

It has nothing to west , but people like you want to be completely be like western .... you can't completely become western unless you abandon your own culture .... this simple fact that your kind always fail to mention in your emotional speeches ...

you seek two different and opposite thing ....

Western culture is based on Hellenism and Iranian culture has root in Achamenid , Madian , Babelian and Middleeastern ancient kingodom and empire .... these two culture are like night and day , you can't have both in same time ...

for example , you lot always talk about "Hijab is bad " but in fact 1000 years before Islam , Iranian woman had Hijab and you can't even find a woman pic it Takhte Jamshid .... in same time , nudity was common among western ...

Iranian culture is more than Nowrouz , or CharshanbehSouri or some celeberation , its about way of thinking and seeing the world , .... you guys want to accept western ideas completly and when you accept them , your way of thinking will change ( in your case , your way of thinking is already changed ) and you see the world as a western not as an Iranian even if you born in Iran , talk persian and call yourself an Iranian ...

What is his culture?
Secondly you talk as if the greco-roman culture was all bad. Hellenism and greco-roman culture has left many positive traces in this world.
Even the sassanids who revived Iran and who were in constant battle against Romans, invited and gave refuge to Greek philosophers to serve the Intellectual center of Iran during that time, Academy of Gondishapur. So we never rejected the good influence from west or east.

What you're writing is very childish, simplistic view which is disproven in history (even during sassanids) and disproven in todays world as globalism has exchanged aspects of different cultures (both positive and negative). You try to view pre-islamic history of Iran through an islamic prism.

About the "hijab" part, different Iranian peoples (eastern and western) had different clothes, Iranians had caps, cadors, but there were also for example eastern Iranian women who had dresses with neck opening, sleeveless dress. There are some paintings of women during sassanid era:

We see women musicians during sassanid era while in islam music is haram.

Achaemenid noble women

These women do show some hair, maybe the function of headdress differed in those time from the function of hijab nowadays. There are even some nude art works from sassanian era (which maybe were remnant of hellenic influence, I'm not sure, but if they were extreme strict about hijab they would not produce such art works I think)

 

[Hack-Hook]

So... would you support Ahwaz independence? They are one of your poorest provinces and most rebellious, they would obviously do a lot better if you separated.

I am talking about this Ahwaz which will take the ethnic Arabs of your provinces.

Those parts have around 10 million population for the record all Arabs population of Iran is less than 2 million . those area have a majority of lors and Persians

در زمان پس از حمله ی اسکندر ،گروهی دل در گرو قدرت غالب دادند و به ترویج هلنسیم پرداختند
در زمان اعراب هم گروهی تمام گذشته ی ایران را نفی کردند و به صورت افراطی سعی در شبیه کردن خودشون مثل قدرت غالب کردند
در زمانی حمله ی مغول هم چنین شد و گروهی سعی کردند مانند قدرت غالب شوند ...
به قاجاریه رسیدیم ، در اینجا گروهی سعی کردند خودشان را مانند قدرت غالب کنند و به روس ها و انگلیسی ها گرایش پیدا کردند
به پهلوی رسیدیم و این بار جای انگلیس را آمریکا گرفت و هنوز هم گروهی سعی داشتند با نفی خود ، خودشان را مانند قدرت غالب کنند ...
و حالا همان عقبه ی فکری خود را اصلاح طلب می نامند و می خواهند خودشان را مانند قدرت های غالب کنند و به نفی توان داخلی کشور می پردازند ... ....

شما که دم از تاریخ می زنید ، آیا نمی دانید این ساسانیان بودند که با حکومت دینی خود « ایران شهر » را بنا نهادند و این صفویان بودند که با « حکومت دینی » خود ایران را پس از هزار سال زنده کردند !؟

lastly , we don't have Conservative , we have PRINCIPILISTS ....

در آخر ، عزیزانی که دم از اصلاح طلبی می زنند ، بیایند و اصلاح طلبی را برای ما شرح دهند !! ( واقعا سوالی هست که از خیلی ها پرسیدم ولی جوابی نشنیدم )

Honestly do you believe Safavide dynasty had a religious government or in reality religion was only a tools for them.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Before you egyptian play the flute of arabism against Iran read the following about what happened with your kind not so long time ago by the biggest arabist saddam hussein:

Who cares about Saddam? He isn't a Arabist, he didn't care about the Pan-Arab state.

What does Saddam Hussein have to do with Ahwaz? They are a oppressed Ethnic group in Iran. You steal their water,oil and force them into poverty. They deserve independence. You of all people should support them separating. They aren't Persians and certainly don't like Iran.

 

[AmirPatriot]

What does Saddam Hussein have to do with Ahwaz? They are a oppressed Ethnic group in Iran. You steal their water,oil and force them into poverty. They deserve independence. You of all people should support them separating. They aren't Persians and certainly don't like Iran.

Saddam claimed all these things, then invaded to "liberate" Ahvaz. He was surprised when, contrary to what he had dreamt about, none of the citizens of Ahvaz welcomed the invaders. In fact, they fought tooth and nail to kick them out.

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Saddam claimed all these things, then invaded to "liberate" Ahvaz. He was surprised when, contrary to what he had dreamt about, none of the citizens of Ahvaz welcomed the invaders. In fact, they fought tooth and nail to kick them out.

Well probably because Saddam was a complete asshole.

 

[T-123456]

Who cares about Saddam? He isn't a Arabist, he didn't care about the Pan-Arab state.

What does Saddam Hussein have to do with Ahwaz? They are a oppressed Ethnic group in Iran. You steal their water,oil and force them into poverty. They deserve independence. You of all people should support them separating. They aren't Persians and certainly don't like Iran.

Do you know any people from Ahwaz?

 

[EgyptianAmerican]

Do you know any people from Ahwaz?

Only one, he was a really cool dude. He hated the government of Iran and it's policies in Ahwaz but he didn't have any problem with regular Iranians.

 

[T-123456]

Only one, he was a really cool dude. He hated the government of Iran and it's policies in Ahwaz but he didn't have any problem with regular Iranians.

One of my best friends is from Ahwaz,he is of Arabic origin from one of the most influential families of Ahwaz,although he doesnt like the regime much he is happy to be Iranian and he hates the GCC states,not Arabs but states.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Who cares about Saddam? He isn't a Arabist, he didn't care about the Pan-Arab state.

What does Saddam Hussein have to do with Ahwaz? They are a oppressed Ethnic group in Iran. You steal their water,oil and force them into poverty. They deserve independence. You of all people should support them separating. They aren't Persians and certainly don't like Iran.

As long as Salafism is perceived as a major part of modern (Sunni) Arab identity, they will stick with Iranians. Having said this, it is none of our business to decide which country should be divided in the ME. The current boundaries should be respected, especially Iran's.

 

[mohsen]

از نجابت رییسی تا توحش موسوی و کروبی!

 

[OldTwilight]

Honestly do you believe Safavide dynasty had a religious government or in reality religion was only a tools for them.

doesn't matter , they revive Iran with their policies and one of their main policies was supporting Shia ...... are you gonna deny this !?

 

[Hack-Hook]

doesn't matter , they revive Iran with their policies and one of their main policies was supporting Shia ...... are you gonna deny this !?

Only first four king the rest were bunch of regards that destroyed our country.

You see Iran revival had nothing to do with their religious belief it was because they were strong leaders . the weak ones nearly destroyed our country.

 

[OldTwilight]

Only first four king the rest were bunch of regards that destroyed our country.

You see Iran revival had nothing to do with their religious belief it was because they were strong leaders . the weak ones nearly destroyed our country.

rest were weak and curropted but you can't deny what Saffavid did for Iran ... can you !?

 

[Homajon]

This latest poll sheds light on many important things:

https://www.iranpoll.com/publications/ramifications-of-rouhanis-re-election

http://www.cissm.umd.edu/sites/default/files/CISSM full Iran PO report - 072717-Final2.pdf


So as I already said, elections in Iran are not about race or ideology or whatever. People in Iran vote for the same reasons as people all around the world vote.

But what is the most important of all: Now it is clear that Rouhanis victory was long planned, I think Nourizad said the same before the election: Khamenei wanted Rouhani to win, and definitely not Raisi. Also Ghalibafs exit shortly before the elections was no coincidence, the polls before the election showed he had a chance to beat Rouhani, and they also showed that Raisi had absolutely no chance, and Khamenei knew that very well. If he really wanted Rouhani to lose, he would have sent an other "right-wing"-candidate in the race against Rouhani.

Now it is clear, that Rouhanis re-election was supposed to be the deathblow to the liberals. Khamenei knew very well that no matter who wins, Irans situation would get worse concerning sanctions, west relations, etc... no president would have been able to stop it, but had a right-winger became president with hardline policies, and Irans conditions would have gotten worse in the following four years, then the liberals would have been able to say: "Now look, had Rouhani be given a second term, then Iran would have got rid of sanctions, improved the economy, foreign relations, etc..." and then in the 2021 elections the liberals would have gotten a glorious comeback.

But now Rouhani is again president, he has made so many concessions to the west, but even during Obamas term Irans situation didn't improve, promises were not kept, and now with Donald Trump in power.....so the whole failure and the whole blame is on Rouhanis and his camps shoulders. Never before has Iran made so many compromises, concessions, sacrificed its pride....and didn't get the rewards for it.

The public mood in Iran is already slowly changing, as the poll shows.

So get ready for the slow death of all liberal politicians in Iran. After Rouhanis term ends they are done, forever! They will never again have a comeback. It won't be like in the past, where a right-winger becomes president, then a left-winger, and back and forth, no! This is their end! In future all elections will be between center-right and far-right (Ghalibaf vs. Ahmadinejad), the lefties will be totally irrelevant, they will never again have a say in Irans politics!!!

 

[Homajon]

Post #494

2021 ----> Death of the lefties!!!