Update: Iran Presidential Election 2017 - Rouhani is re-elected for second term

[garshasp]

I see, it's quite a complex system then. So that means Khamenei the supreme leader is above the President then? If so, does that mean the President has to consult with him on every critical/important polices concerning the country? If that's the case, then won't be easier for the President to avoid responsibilities in case things go wrong(he can be like :my hands are tight )?

Moreover, even if what you said about why khatami and others like him are under house arrest is true(which seems to be the case) why will they still maintain such restrictions on former leaders/top officials of the country ? It's been over 8years now, since those elections were contested and violently suppressed, surely they don't pose a threat any more do they?

Yes that is the case. No major decision can be made without Khameneis approval. During the campaign, Rouhani said he acted on some of his promises of 4 years ago, some other promises 'they wouldn't let him' act on.

Even the nuclear deal which extremists here hate and blame Rouhani for, was approved by Khamenei. If Khamenei didn't agree to it, Rouhani could not go against his wishes.

Easiest way to think of it is somewhat like absolute monarchy
Khamenei = King, head of state
Rouhani = Prime minister, head of government

As for the Khatami / opposition figures, who knows why the restrictions still exist...probably because the regime are still afraid of what they might say or do.

 

[mohsen]

^^^
Khatam/Mousavi/Karoubi joined in Americans color revolution, they are responsible for the death of dozens of Iranians. their minimum punishment will be death.

supreme leader only defined the red lines for the nuclear deal and Rouhani ignored them,
then he defined several conditions for it's implementation, which Rouhani ignored them again. this failed deal is the product of Rouhani/Zarif and no one else.

in monarchies people don't choose the constitution, they don't choose the type of System, they don't choose a parliament to select the supreme leader.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

People are tired of these conservatives. They couldnt win even with major financial backing and complete control of the media, promises of handouts (money).
A part of reformists didnt vote because they believe guardian counsil (dictatorial clerical counsil) will block all proposals/laws/candidates which is put forward by reformist, else rouhani would win with 70% of the votes.
Last elections jalili won only 11% of the votes. Now raisi, their strongest candidate won 38% of the votes (IF THESE NUMBERS ARE TRUE, because They don't allow indepent counting of votes)

12% of Iran, almost 10 million people, are illiterate (can't read and write). Someone who is illiterate is also poor, in every society. Raisi received 15,7 million votes.
So almost 65% of the votes for Raisi came from people who can't read and write and who were waiting for the handouts (which we can't blame them for since the mismanagement of the same conservatives has made these people poor).
Rest of the conservative voters are old people like jannati and yazdi, alamolhoda. Together with the illiterate they are the old generation of Iran and are going to die soon. Time (zaman) is something that also cleans the country from them.

Lets pray it works good for Iranian identity (hoviat) and economy which are constantly attacked by our internal enemies (conservatives). Because before radical change in Iran, we need to get rid of the conservatives and their bankrupt ideology by educating our Iranian society and our youth. Same could be said about environmental issues. For all kind of pests we need prevention by education for our people.

 

[Kastor]

labaik ya khamenei

Lets pray it works good for Iranian identity (hoviat) and economy which are constantly attacked by our internal enemies (conservatives). Because before radical change in Iran, we need to get rid of the conservatives and their bankrupt ideology by educating our Iranian society and our youth. Same could be said about environmental issues. For all kind of pests we need prevention by education for our people.

Yes!!!! Their policies belong in the 15th Century, our people are one of the most progressive in the M.E. They don't need to be shackled. They were tricked after the revolution, they fought for Democracy, not a police state. If change does not come from a ballot box it will eventually come from a more violent source.....but rest assured it will come.

 

[garshasp]

^^^
Khatam/Mousavi/Karoubi joined in Americans color revolution, they are responsible for the death of dozens of Iranians. their minimum punishment will be death.

Haha ok. Provide clear proof that they collaborated with foreign agencies in a color revolution and put Khatami / Mousavi / Karoubi on public trial and then do whatever you want with them. Otherwise, stop this ridiculous smearing and lies that the fake doctor Hassan Abasi spreads.

^^^
supreme leader only defined the red lines for the nuclear deal and Rouhani ignored them,
then he defined several conditions for it's implementation, which Rouhani ignored them again. this failed deal is the product of Rouhani/Zarif and no one else.

The nuclear negotiations would have happened regardless of Rouhani or whoever. Ahmadinejad said the last 2 years of his presidency, the nuclear negotiations were out of his hands and he had no control. Talks started with the Americans before Rouhani became president. Velayati who is Khamenei foreign policy adviser also heavily supported negotiations.

The 'red line' story is what they tell you in public and you believe it...in reality, this deal could NOT be signed without Khameneis approval.

^^^
in monarchies people don't choose the constitution, they don't choose the type of System, they don't choose a parliament to select the supreme leader.

I did not say it was a monarchy, I said in terms of the POWER split between Khamenei and Rouhani, its comparable. Khamenei is #1 powerful person in the country and is head of state, and Rouhani is #2 and is only head of government. That is a fact and stated in constitution.

 

[OldTwilight]

در زمان پس از حمله ی اسکندر ،گروهی دل در گرو قدرت غالب دادند و به ترویج هلنسیم پرداختند
در زمان اعراب هم گروهی تمام گذشته ی ایران را نفی کردند و به صورت افراطی سعی در شبیه کردن خودشون مثل قدرت غالب کردند
در زمانی حمله ی مغول هم چنین شد و گروهی سعی کردند مانند قدرت غالب شوند ...
به قاجاریه رسیدیم ، در اینجا گروهی سعی کردند خودشان را مانند قدرت غالب کنند و به روس ها و انگلیسی ها گرایش پیدا کردند
به پهلوی رسیدیم و این بار جای انگلیس را آمریکا گرفت و هنوز هم گروهی سعی داشتند با نفی خود ، خودشان را مانند قدرت غالب کنند ...
و حالا همان عقبه ی فکری خود را اصلاح طلب می نامند و می خواهند خودشان را مانند قدرت های غالب کنند و به نفی توان داخلی کشور می پردازند ... ....

شما که دم از تاریخ می زنید ، آیا نمی دانید این ساسانیان بودند که با حکومت دینی خود « ایران شهر » را بنا نهادند و این صفویان بودند که با « حکومت دینی » خود ایران را پس از هزار سال زنده کردند !؟

lastly , we don't have Conservative , we have PRINCIPILISTS ....

در آخر ، عزیزانی که دم از اصلاح طلبی می زنند ، بیایند و اصلاح طلبی را برای ما شرح دهند !! ( واقعا سوالی هست که از خیلی ها پرسیدم ولی جوابی نشنیدم )

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

شما که دم از تاریخ می زنید ، آیا نمی دانید این ساسانیان بودند که با حکومت دینی خود « ایران شهر » را بنا نهادند و این صفویان بودند که با « حکومت دینی » خود ایران را پس از هزار سال زنده کردند !؟

lastly , we don't have Conservative , we have PRINCIPILISTS ....

در آخر ، عزیزانی که دم از اصلاح طلبی می زنند ، بیایند و اصلاح طلبی را برای ما شرح دهند !! ( واقعا سوالی هست که از خیلی ها پرسیدم ولی جوابی نشنیدم )

Dar zamane sasanian hitchvaght Irania be niakane khod tohin nemikardan, fosh nemidadan. Sasanian dar vaghe hoviate Iranio baz sakhtan chonke az hoviate ajnabi (hellenism) nefrat dashtan. Anha bozorg va khodbavar boodan, lotfan niakane maro ba in tokhme ajnabia moghayese nakon ke bishtareshoon asan Irani nistan va khodra Irani hesab nemikonan, 400 sal pish oomadan Iran baraye moftkhori.
Ghabl az oon zamanam be daste abbasian koshte mishodan, farar kardan be khorasan baraye moftkhori va dozdi. Hala nekbata bejaye dastet dard nakone oftadan be joone mardom. Ajab giri oftadim az daste in bachehaye ahriman.
Bar-akse sassanian in hookoomate jomhuriye ajnabiye eslami joz az kine, nefrat va vahshat az Irani va hoviate Irani chize digeyi neshan nadade. Conservative, pricipalist, different names, same...

 

[OldTwilight]

Dar zamane sasanian hitchvaght Irania be niakane khod tohim nemikardan, fosh nemidadan. Sasanian dar vaghe hoviate Iranio baz sakhtan chonke az hoviate ajnabi (hellenism) nefrat dashtan. Anha mardaye bozorge va khodbavari boodan, lotfan niakane maro ba in tokhme ajnabia moghayese nakon ke bishtareshoon asan Irani nistan va khodra Irani hesab nemikonan, 400 sal pish oomadan Iran baraye moftkhori. Ghabl az oon zamanam be daste abbasian koshte mishodan, farar kardan ne khorasane Iran baraye moftkhori va dozdi. Hala nekbata bejaye dastet dard nakone oftadan be joone mardom. Ajab giri oftadim az daste in bachehaye ahriman.
Bar-akse sassanian in hookoomate jomhuriye ajnabiye eslami joz az kine, nefrat va vahshat az Irani va hoviate Irani chize digeyi neshan nadade. Conservative, pricipalist, different names, same...



Conservative,

شما که دم از هویت ایران می زنید این سوال رو جواب بدید !؟

هویت ایران چیه !؟

اینکه مثل غربی ها لباس بپوشند ، مثل غربی ها رفتار کنند ، مثل غربی ها فکر کنند ، مثل غربی ها عمل کنند ، مثل غربی ها روابط بین خودشون رو مدیریت کنند !؟

دقیقا دنبال چه هویتی هستید !؟

 

[Kastor]

شما که دم از تاریخ می زنید ، آیا نمی دانید این ساسانیان بودند که با حکومت دینی خود « ایران شهر » را بنا نهادند و این صفویان بودند که با « حکومت دینی » خود ایران را پس از هزار سال زنده کردند !؟
lastly , we don't have Conservative , we have PRINCIPILISTS ....
در آخر ، عزیزانی که دم از اصلاح طلبی می زنند ، بیایند و اصلاح طلبی را برای ما شرح دهند !! ( واقعا سوالی هست که از خیلی ها پرسیدم ولی جوابی نشنیدم )

You'll have to excuse me....my Farsi is in a sad state due to my immigration. So I only understood 90% of what you wrote....regardless of what you call your political value system, I have a very simple litmus test for you. Show me one country that is thriving with this style of government. The style I am referring to is the hybrid of religious and somewhat democratic organs of government...................Take your time.

If you can't find one it's because it does not work. We live in a connected global environment. The days where you could take your ball and go home are over.....we need to engage the world, not for their benefit but for ours. These isolationist/ religious political views are outdated...and more importantly, inefficient and useless because the world's global economy will continue just fine without our participation. So these ideas are great if you want to keep Iran 50 years behind our rivals. You can call us reformist, Intellectuals, idiots...but the truth is we are right, not because we're smart but because the world has already adopted these systems as the norm. So my Conservative/Principalist friends take you heads out of the sand and look around at your neighborhood before our rivals eat our lunch.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

شما که دم از هویت ایران می زنید این سوال رو جواب بدید !؟

هویت ایران چیه !؟

اینکه مثل غربی ها لباس بپوشند ، مثل غربی ها رفتار کنند ، مثل غربی ها فکر کنند ، مثل غربی ها عمل کنند ، مثل غربی ها روابط بین خودشون رو مدیریت کنند !؟

دقیقا دنبال چه هویتی هستید !؟

Hoviate Irani kheyli bozorgtar az in hast ke beshe dar chand jomle neveshte beshe, hala chanta massal mizanam.

- Hoviate Irani yani be rasmiat shenakhtane tamame jashnhaye Irani (bakhshi az dine zartosht) bejaye sinezani, gerye zari, va nazdike nim sal tatilat va zarbeye shadid be eghtesade Iran.
- Azadi baraye gostareshe din va farhange zartoshti (manande hookoomate eghlime kordestan) bejaye tablighate shia gari ke melyard melyard kharjesh mikonan
- Azadi baraye tashkilate mihani (rooze koorosh va gheyre) bejaye tashkilate eslami
- Josteju darbareye farhang va rasmhaye Irani bejaye hovzeye qom. Encyclopædia Iranica ke dar zamane shah aghaz shod nemooneye khoobi hast.
- Lebase Irani va rangarang bajaye chadore sia va kafiye
- Shahnameh va Avestakhani bejaye roze va nohe va mosabeghate qurankhani (ke barandashoon haj Saied Tusiye bachebaz bashe)
- Ehterame shadid be mohite zist ke hamishe bakhshi az hoviate Irani pish az eslam boode.
- Hoviate Irani yani shadi

Hoviate Irani az hoviate eslami jodast. Darzemn gharbgarayi, eslamgarayi rabti be hoviate Irani nadare. Eslamgarayan (yani hamin osoolgarayan) ba khianat be mellat, Iransetizi, fesade mali yek bakhshe mardome na-agahro (oosoolgarayan dar kol mardomo na-agah negarh midaran va koodakanro shosteshooyi maghzi mikonan baraye eslamgarayi) be samte gharbgarayi bordan, chonke daro panjereye hoviate Iranio dar kol bastan.

Yek chiziam ke in bisavada yad gereftan ine ke dar gharb hame daran mashroob mikhoran va miraghsan. Ama dar khode iran tipaye ajibi didam ke too gharb nist, mohtad inghadr didam ke too gharb nemibinam. Hoviat messe yek koodam mimoone ke bayad negahrdarish kard, ghavish kard. Moteasefane bisavada va oosoolgarayan zarbeye ba tabar oftadan be joone hoviate Irani.

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

 

[Shapur Zol Aktaf]

So... would you support Ahwaz independence? They are one of your poorest provinces and most rebellious, they would obviously do a lot better if you separated.

I am talking about this Ahwaz which will take the ethnic Arabs of your provinces.

There is 1000 times more chance of a civil war in Egypt (remnants of muslim brotherhood, isis against sisi) or war between egypt and ethiopia (the water crisis) than such a nonsense scenario in Iran. We'll throw the body of any separatist faster into the persian gulf than saddam ousting, killing egyptian guest workers.

Before you egyptian play the flute of arabism against Iran read the following about what happened with your kind not so long time ago by the biggest arabist saddam hussein:

Egyptians in Iraq:
Saturday's edition of Akhbar Al-Yom opened with a full front-page cartoon in colour of Saddam sitting on a pile of skulls. The caption said: "Who will avenge the 5,596 Egyptians killed by Saddam Hussein?" Egypt had previously accused Iraq of killing Egyptians in 1988.
Saturday's edition of Akhbar Al-Yom opened with a full front-page cartoon in colour of Saddam sitting on a pile of skulls. The caption said: "Who will avenge the 5,596 Egyptians killed by Saddam Hussein?" Egypt had previously accused Iraq of killing Egyptians in 1988. Cairo newspaper reports at the time spoke of "scores" of Egyptians being beaten to death by Iraqi workers and plane loads of Egyptian workers being deported from Iraq. The number of Egyptians working in Iraq during the war reached 2 million.
The editorial said the Egyptians were beaten, tortured and had their bones broken and limbs amputated in Iraqi prisons.

This is from 1990:
Some of the almost one million Egyptian guest workers in Iraq were forced into Iraq's army during the Iran-Iraq war (and Iran still refuses to release many of those taken prisoner claiming that they were mercenaries). The antagonistic attitude of Egyptians can also be traced back to last year when demobilized Iraqi soldiers began murdering Egyptian workers there, for holding jobs that these returning men wanted. About 350,000 Egyptian workers have already left Iraq. Interior Minister Mohammad Abd al-Halim Musa reported in early October that the bodies of 995 Egyptian males between the ages of 19 and 44 had arrived from Iraq since the beginning of 1990. According to medical reports, the victims died of fractured skulls and bullet wounds.
Not going to mention how you were defeated in Yemen.

 

[garshasp]

شما که دم از هویت ایران می زنید این سوال رو جواب بدید !؟

هویت ایران چیه !؟

اینکه مثل غربی ها لباس بپوشند ، مثل غربی ها رفتار کنند ، مثل غربی ها فکر کنند ، مثل غربی ها عمل کنند ، مثل غربی ها روابط بین خودشون رو مدیریت کنند !؟

دقیقا دنبال چه هویتی هستید !؟

هویت ایران یعنی فرهنگ ایرانی

Iranian culture means taking pride in ancient Iranian celebrations such as Nowruz, Chaharshanbe suri, Sizdah bedar, Yalda night.
Iranian culture means appreciating and reading Shahnameh. It means appreciating and reading Molana, Hafez, Saadi, and all other great Iranian poets.
Iranian culture means lot of things you learn as a child, including respecting elders, respecting woman, good words and actions.
Iranian culture means learning about our brave ancestors who fought for our land and culture, including Achamenids, Parthians, Sasanids, Afsharid, Samanids, Buyid, Zand, and so on. And thus, not letting others such as Arabs change historical facts (fight against changing Persian gulf to Arabian gulf)
Iranian culture does not belong to one ethnicity or religious group. It is includes Shias, sunnis, zoroastrians, Jews and everyone else. It is includes Fars, Kord, Baluch, Azeri, and everyone else. It unites all of us.
Iranian culture means preserving all Iranian languages and trying to use more words with Iranian origin than loanwords from other languages.
Iranian culture means Iranian art. Films, paintings, architecture, music... Iranian culture includes Shajarian, Hayedeh, Dariush, Farokhzad and so on.

Yes even music can be considered Iranian culture...beautiful.

Do any of these have anything to do with west?? No. We have had Iranian culture while the West were still barbarians!

 

[OldTwilight]

هویت ایران یعنی فرهنگ ایرانی
Do any of these have anything to do with west?? No. We have had Iranian culture while the West were still barbarians!

It has nothing to west , but people like you want to be completely be like western .... you can't completely become western unless you abandon your own culture .... this simple fact that your kind always fail to mention in your emotional speeches ...

you seek two different and opposite thing ....

Western culture is based on Hellenism and Iranian culture has root in Achamenid , Madian , Babelian and Middleeastern ancient kingodom and empire .... these two culture are like night and day , you can't have both in same time ...

for example , you lot always talk about "Hijab is bad " but in fact 1000 years before Islam , Iranian woman had Hijab and you can't even find a woman pic it Takhte Jamshid .... in same time , nudity was common among western ...

Iranian culture is more than Nowrouz , or CharshanbehSouri or some celeberation , its about way of thinking and seeing the world , .... you guys want to accept western ideas completly and when you accept them , your way of thinking will change ( in your case , your way of thinking is already changed ) and you see the world as a western not as an Iranian even if you born in Iran , talk persian and call yourself an Iranian ...

 

[garshasp]

It has nothing to west , but people like you want to be completely be like western .... you can't completely become western unless you abandon your own culture .... this simple fact that your kind always fail to mention in your emotional speeches ...

What? I would suggest you actually reading what I wrote. I love my culture and it has nothing to do with the west.

Western culture is based on Hellenism and Iranian culture has root in Achamenid , Madian , Babelian and Middleeastern ancient kingodom and empire .... these two culture are like night and day , you can't have both in same time ...

Yes obviously Hellenistic culture is different than Iranian culture. So is Arab culture. so is Mongol culture. But here is an interesting fact...all the empires that temporarily invaded Iran, adapted to our culture and adapted to our system of government.

Our culture and achievements are so strong that the US founding fathers like Jefferson got inspirations from Cyrus the great and Cyropaedia when writing their constitution.

for example , you lot always talk about "Hijab is bad " but in fact 1000 years before Islam , Iranian woman had Hijab and you can't even find a woman pic it Takhte Jamshid .... in same time , nudity was common among western ...

Why are you putting words in my mouth? When did I say hijab is bad? Hijab should be the choice of the woman. If a woman feels empowered by wearing chador, God bless her. If a woman feels empowered by letting her hair out, God bless her too. I will not judge either way.

Iranian culture is more than Nowrouz , or CharshanbehSouri or some celeberation , its about way of thinking and seeing the world , .... you guys want to accept western ideas completly and when you accept them , your way of thinking will change ( in your case , your way of thinking is already changed ) and you see the world as a western not as an Iranian even if you born in Iran , talk persian and call yourself an Iranian ...

Yes obviously its more than those celebrations. I already stated some of the things it is in my previous post. Yes it is the way of thinking and acting as well...but I still fail to see your argument. Iranian culture is more mature and independent of western culture.