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[xeuss]

This is the core of the proposal. UCC covers marriages, divorces, inheritence

Marriages
One person can marry only one other person, irrespective of gender. Gay marriages are also allowed. But one to one only. No Polygamy or Polyandry

All marriages must be registered.

Live in relations will be recognized if a couple is living together for a reasonable amount of time (say 2 years)

Divorces
There is no special way to divorce. You have to go through the court to get a divorce. You cant divorce even by saying talaq over a 3 months period

Inhertitence
All children, including adopted ones, are entitled to equal share of inheritance. No difference between share of boy or girl

Now tell me - Is it majoritarian or secular? Will @xeuss agree to this?

Since you mentioned Uniform Civil Code...I agree! (apologies if you have seen this before)

Why can a Hindu man not have four wives? Why can a Hindu man not divorce his wife? Why can a Muslim man not abandon his wife like Narendra Modi? Why can a Hindu man have a "rakhel" like Atal Bihari Vajpayee and not give her the status of a wife with all rights? Why does a Hindu woman have to marry a dog or a tree before she can get married?

I want equal rights for ALL!

I want Uniform Civil Code where a North Indian Hindu can marry his niece just like a South Indian Hindu does.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Hindu woman in a business family can get equal inheritance and not have her brothers gobble up all the inheritance under the Hindu Undivided Family Act

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Rajasthani Hindu can eat beef just like the Hindus from Kerela.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a temple priest will not refuse to adjudicate a wedding between two different castes.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Hindu woman can enter a temple during her periods.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Dalit cannot be prevented from visiting a temple.

 

[El Sidd]

Why are stateless people owning land in UP?

 

[jaatram]

Again you are deflecting because you know the answer. I openly challenge you to tell me what is Hindu in the UCC I have proposed?

If you don't know UCC stands for Uniform Civil Code. There are 2 types of laws - Civil and Criminal. The Criminal Laws are the IPC or Indian Penal Code. It is for all people. Civil laws are laws related to Marriage, Inheritence Divorce. You asked for UCC, I have given you a UCC proposal.

You are now stuck like any other leftist. You know in your heart that what I have given is not at all majoritarian but it is one of the most secular proposal. You also know in your heart that Muslims will not accept it because they love their own laws. And because Muslims wont accept it no "secular" parties will accept it.

Goa has UCC, it can further improved.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Too bad, UCC is on its way. Thank you for giving a glimpse of what sort of opposition we will be expecting. State governments will stomp them ruthlessly while confiscating the properties of all those protesting against the state.

No Muslim will accept a non-Shariah compliant marriage code which affects their internal lives. Even if such a proposal passes, there will be non-cooperation on the ground.

We will see what happens, right. The godless stupid BJP leaders can only push so much before there is a backlash.

 

[jaatram]

No Muslim will accept a non-Shariah compliant marriage code which affects their internal lives. Even if such a proposal passes, there will be non-cooperation on the ground.

We will see what happens, right. The godless stupid BJP leaders can only push so much before there is a backlash.

Will this non cooperation include refusal of state subsidies? We have our own marginalised section where they can be better utilized.

 

[Soumitra]

Remove Gods from governance- Like the US model- Its now "In God we Trust" and not "Jesus we Trust".

In India it is Satyamev Jayate, Not in Ram we trust

Which clause/article would you like to change in the Constitution of India Perhaps Article 30A which gives special rights to minorities. Lets remove the word religious minorities because all religions should be equal in a UCC Secular State

 

[Protest_again]

Oh that bogey of UCC again. Let me give a crash course to all the Sanghis as they're too lazy to do their own damned homework.

Point A) Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists, Jains have similar religious concepts. So there is a Hindu Marriage Act to govern their lives. It not only guides marriage but also divorce, custody of children, inheritance, death tax etc.

Point B) Christians have their own legal guidelines on above concepts. In the Catholic church, divorce is not permitted or greatly discouraged (well, it does happen a lot but that's a separate issue). So, the guidelines cannot be the same as Hindu Marriage Act.

Point C) Muslims also need their own space and legal framework to guide their lives. They have a concept called iddat following a divorce, especially for remarriages. The child custody and other property rights are guaranteed through a "pre-nup" called nikah-nama. Also it's compliant to Shariah laws so their arrangement is separate. Polygamy among Indian Muslims is actually less compared to Hindus despite Islam allowing upto four wives. Very rarely anyone does it.

So, if a Hindu wants to marry a Muslim or Christianity, he or she must convert to Islam or Christianity as per the above guidelines. Hindus are welcome to come with similar terms in Hindu Marriage Act. In practice, many of these guidelines are ignored in interfaith marriages.

I don't see the need for a separate Uniform Civil Code (there is a Special Marriage Act which does allow interfaith marriages without guarantee of property rights, custody rights etc.). All the communities are happy in their own respective spheres.

My concern is WTF is RSS so pained about? Why don't they bugger off and let the communities deal with their problem on their own? If they persist with this stupidity, they will get a message very loud and clear.


CLASS DISMISSED for today my Sanghi warriors

Lol. Obviously UCC is not about accommodating your religious beliefs. Now @ChennaiDude tell me who is making a special case for their religion. Stop being naive.

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Will this non cooperation include refusal of state subsidies? We have our own marginalised section where they can be better utilized.

Short answer: YES. No Muslim will violate the basic tenets of Islam and Shariah for all the money in the world. You clearly don't know Muslims very well.

Of course there are exceptions and sell-outs everywhere, even among Muslims. But all these laws follow directly from Qu'ran, and in a conflict between Qu'ran and Indian Constitution, all Muslims are obliged to follow the Qu'ran first.

You clearly don't know anything about Islam, and Muslim beliefs.

 

[jaatram]

I want equal rights for ALL!

Excellent suggestions ... now since you claimed this .... lets hear your views on changes you want to see for Muslims

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Lol. Obviously UCC is not about accommodating your religious beliefs.

It is an attack and affront on core tenets of Islam: the Shariah law. The government can pass it on paper but if they try to enforce the law, it will be seen as an attack on Muslims way of life. After that, many of you stupid idiots will have to die as there will be bloodbath on the streets.

 

[jaatram]

Short answer: YES. No Muslim will violate the basic tenets of Islam and Shariah for all the money in the world. You clearly don't know Muslims very well.

Of course there are exceptions and sell-outs everywhere, even among Muslims. But all these laws follow directly from Qu'ran, and in a conflict between Qu'ran and Indian Constitution, all Muslims are obliged to follow the Qu'ran first.

You clearly don't know anything about Islam, and Muslim beliefs.

Thank goodness, mo money for Hindu poor sections to develop. One question when triple talaq was abolished why didnt we see even anything remotely to what you mentioned above.

 

[Protest_again]

Since you mentioned Uniform Civil Code...I agree! (apologies if you have seen this before)

Why can a Hindu man not have four wives? Why can a Hindu man not divorce his wife? Why can a Muslim man not abandon his wife like Narendra Modi? Why can a Hindu man have a "rakhel" like Atal Bihari Vajpayee and not give her the status of a wife with all rights? Why does a Hindu woman have to marry a dog or a tree before she can get married?

I want equal rights for ALL!

I want Uniform Civil Code where a North Indian Hindu can marry his niece just like a South Indian Hindu does.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Hindu woman in a business family can get equal inheritance and not have her brothers gobble up all the inheritance under the Hindu Undivided Family Act

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Rajasthani Hindu can eat beef just like the Hindus from Kerela.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a temple priest will not refuse to adjudicate a wedding between two different castes.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Hindu woman can enter a temple during her periods.

I want a Uniform Civil Code where a Dalit cannot be prevented from visiting a temple.

I am with you. Can we start drafting the changes I want to see in muslim communities as well? You can quote all vices and I would do the same. Let's hash it out and rid India of all vices.

 

[Soumitra]

@ChennaiDude you have painted yourself in a corner. None of you "secular" leftist or Muslim comrades are supporting UCC. This is what we have always said. You cant find one Hindu majoritarian aspect in the UCC I have proposed so you are trying to wriggle out by saying change the constitution. I dare you to propose to drop the reference to religious minorities from the article 30 A

 

[jaatram]

I am with you. Can we start drafting the changes I want to see in muslim communities as well? You can quote all vices and I would do the same. Let's hash it out and rid India of all vices.

Maybe he want UCC to be implemented phase wise .... first get hindus to accept and implement all these suggestions only than comrade will share the next phase

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Thank goodness, mo money for Hindu poor sections to develop. One question when triple talaq was abolished why didnt we see even anything remotely to what you mentioned above.

Triple talaq was a purely Indian problem. It has been banned in many Muslim countries as well including Pakistan. Also within Indian Muslim ulema guidelines, it was already strongly discouraged for many years.

Your ignorance is mind-numbingly high but I am happy to answer.