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UN ignores Pakistan bid to seek intervention on Kashmir?

and then not seek intervention?? Your argument is incoherent.
Intervention has already been accepted - the existing UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir.

Whatever..... I am still to see a Pakistani News item on recent UN response ... everything died down after UN rejected Pakistani ranting.
Actually it did not - the Pakistan Ambassador to the UN continued to raise the issue of Indian violations of the ceasefire, the matter was also mentioned in the meetings with US legislators and the diplomatic corp in Islamabad, and Pakistan reiterated her position that she supported peaceful resolution of the recent Indian violations as well as the overall Kashmir dispute in accordance with the UN Resolutions.
 
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Intervention has already been accepted - the existing UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir.
Have you ever read the resolution....that you love to fly in our face every time you talk on this issue...

Let me help.

U.N.Resolution August 13, 1948.
This is the most significant resolution passed by the UN on the state of Jammu & Kashmir. It clearly states that Pakistan was to vacate its troops from the whole of the state. It also mentions, albeit indirectly, that Pakistan had consistently lied on the question of whether or not its troops were involved in the fighting in Jammu & Kashmir. Once the then Pakistani Prime Minister conceded that Pakistani troops were indeed involved, the UN had no option but to ask for their withdrawal. That the withdrawal never took place, is another story.


The United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan.

Having given careful consideration to the points of view expressed by the representatives of India and Pakistan regarding the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir; and

Being of the opinion that the prompt cessation of hostilities and the correction of conditions the continuance of which is likely to endanger international peace and security are essential to implementation of its endeavors to assist the Governments of India and Pakistan in effecting a final settlement of the situation;

Resolves to submit simultaneously to the Governments of India and Pakistan the following proposal:

PART I: CEASE-FIRE ORDER
A. The Governments of India and Pakistan agree that their respective High Commands will issue separately and simultaneously a cease-fire order to apply to all forces under their control and in the State of Jammu and Kashmir as of the earliest practicable date or dates to be mutually agreed upon within four days after these proposals have been accepted by both Governments.

B.The High Commands of the Indian and Pakistani forces agree to refrain from taking any measures that might augment the military potential of the forces under their control in the State of Jammu and Kashmir. ( For the purpose of these proposals forces under their control shall be considered to include all forces, organized and unorganized, fighting or participating in hostilities on their respective sides.

C.The Commanders-in-Chief of the forces of India and Pakistan shall promptly confer regarding any necessary local changes in present dispositions which may facilitate the cease-fire.

D. In its discretion and as the Commission may find practicable, the Commission will appoint military observers who, under the authority of the Commission and with the co-operation of both Commands, will supervise the observance of the cease-fire order.

E. The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan agree to appeal to their respective peoples to assist in creating and maintaining an atmosphere favourable to the promotion of further negotiations.

PART II: TRUCE AGREEMENT
Simultaneously with the acceptance of the proposal for the immediate cessation of hostilities as outlined in Part I, both the Governments accept the following principles as a basis for the formulation of a truce agreement, the details of which shall be worked out in discussion between their representatives and the Commission.
A.

1. As the presence of troops of Pakistan in the territory of the State of Jammu and Kashmir constitutes a material change in the situation since it was represented by the Government of Pakistan before the Security Council, the Government of Pakistan agrees to withdraw its troops from that State.

2. The Government of Pakistan will use its best endeavour to secure the withdrawal from the State of Jammu and Kashmir of tribesmen and Pakistani nationals not normally resident therein who have entered the State for the purpose of fighting.

3. Pending a final solution, the territory evacuated by the Pakistani troops will be administered by the local authorities under the surveillance of the commission.


B.

1.When the commission shall have notified the Government of India that the tribesmen and Pakistani nationals referred to in Part II, A, 2, hereof have withdrawn, thereby terminating the situation which was represented by the Government of India to the Security Council as having occasioned the presence of Indian forces in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, and further, that the Pakistani forces are being withdrawn from the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Government of India agrees to begin to withdraw the bulk of its forces from that State in stages to be agreed upon with the Commission.

2. Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of the cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary.

3. The Government of India will undertake to ensure that the Government of the State of Jammu and Kashmir will take all measures within its powers to make it publicly known that peace, law and order will be safeguarded and that all human political rights will be granted.

4. Upon signature, the full text of the truce agreement or a communique containing the principles thereof as agreed upon between the two Governments and the Commission, will be made public.

PART III

The Government of India and the Government of Pakistan reaffirm their wish that the future status of the State of Jammu and Kashmir shall be determined in accordance with the will of the people and to that end, upon acceptance of the truce agreement, both Governments agree to enter into consultations with the Commission to determine fair and equitable conditions whereby such free expression will be assured.

Read the bold part and ask your army to do as US resolution states... then you have a one in a Gazzillion chance of convincing India to follow the third part.
 
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Have you ever read the resolution....that you love to fly in our face every time you talk on this issue...

Let me help.

Read the bold part and ask your army to do as US resolution states... then you have a one in a Gazzillion chance of convincing India to follow the third part.
Yes, I have read the resolutions (plural) - the UNSC issued multiple resolutions on the Kashmir dispute, with subsequent resolutions building upon the previous ones, including on the contentious issue of demilitarization. And before I elaborate on the latter part, are we in agreement then that India should work with Pakistan (and any mutually acceptable third parties as defined in the Simla Agreement) to implement the UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir? Arguing over the nitty gritty of the resolutions is pointless unless we first agree on the validity.
 
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Intervention has already been accepted - the existing UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir..

Which they dont deem fit to even discuss in last 5 decades.

Anyways, shimla agreement negates any possible third party interference. This agreement was actually a differently worded surrender of Kashmir by pakistan for sake of PoW - a wise decision in that circumstances though.

By the way - Poke here. :)
 
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Truly.
But that is something to consider is it not. A state that can not be collapsed by external means - by war or other.... has to be collapsed/rendered anemic/cut by internal means.

There is no better weapon we can wield than one which the Pakistani population willingly braces and breathes and is happy to die for. Islam.

You make a fair point. I am waiting to see how India steps up its game in Afghanistan after the ISAF departure to try and entangle Pakistan on its Western front to manufacture a vise. Dare I say it, it is only to be expected.
 
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You make a fair point. I am waiting to see how India steps up its game in Afghanistan after the ISAF departure to try and entangle Pakistan on its Western front to manufacture a vise. Dare I say it, it is only to be expected.
Under the current dispensation - that of NDA. Definitely.
Under the last dispensation - UPA. Definitely not.

The days of overt support to the groups that act against Pakistan are long gone. It is evident now that getting militias to act against even a semi-competent nation and expecting results is ridiculously futile..and dangerous. And Pakistan Army is competent in its core responsibility - that of fighting.

What is far more favourable is using ideology. Pakistanis like Islam, they live, eat, breathe Islam. When PA makes sure that the 'ideological frontiers' of Pakistan are also protected - they focus on the East - the cultural aspects of India.

They have zero guard against Islam. Let Islam come to our rescue then. You will see silent support by India for Islamist groups in the Af-Pak border and Pakistan, while supporting GoAf against Islamist groups in the rest of the country.

Note: the support for the Islamist groups will not be the likes of Taliban. One that can be physically crushed.
The soft Islamism, one that is taught in madrassas and masjids..jihadis are simply a logical result of that.

More than one hawk in India has been discussing this.
 
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Yes, I have read the resolutions (plural) - the UNSC issued multiple resolutions on the Kashmir dispute, with subsequent resolutions building upon the previous ones, including on the contentious issue of demilitarization. And before I elaborate on the latter part, are we in agreement then that India should work with Pakistan (and any mutually acceptable third parties as defined in the Simla Agreement) to implement the UNSC Resolutions on Kashmir? Arguing over the nitty gritty of the resolutions is pointless unless we first agree on the validity.
In short Pakistan will doe verythin but follow UN resolution.at the same time crying about India not honouring the same....

Actually it did not - the Pakistan Ambassador to the UN continued to raise the issue of Indian violations of the ceasefire, the matter was also mentioned in the meetings with US legislators and the diplomatic corp in Islamabad, and Pakistan reiterated her position that she supported peaceful resolution of the recent Indian violations as well as the overall Kashmir dispute in accordance with the UN Resolutions.
In short....the results wer not in line with expectations...so the media was muzzeled and people were kept un-informed about Pakistani leadership's failure...both at military and diplomatic level.
 
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Desperate times for Pakistan I think.

India really has won the diplomatic geo political war now.

No one listening to Paks argument or concerns
 
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