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Ultra Far Right Nationalism on the rise in Europe and Russia

I didn't believed this stuff once. But my friends living in Europe said this was true and done mostly by north-african people. What i fail to understand, how they are allowed to do this. If these guys came in Turkey and show the same behaviour...... the only duty of the police would be saving these people from the hands of the native Turks. I really don't understand.

Exactly! Even the GCC Arabs would behead or flog anyone who tried to impose their own religious laws on the native population.

The problem is White guilt, which has been enforced by the Liberal Marxist Governments of the European countries along with the very loose immigration laws.
 
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Exactly! Even the GCC Arabs would behead or flog anyone who tried to impose their own religious laws on the native population.

The problem is White guilt, which has been enforced by the Liberal Marxist Governments of the European countries along with the very loose immigration laws.

:D Sir, I'm not talking about laws. Here watch the video as the Guy in the video, tried to talk about Kurdish rights or something like that.

 
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Explain.

This is not my view but the view of every sophisticated student of history.

The very happy, cute, romantic 'Western civilization' that you see today is not even hundred years old. Before that, so called people of "western civilization" were butchering, killing, looting, competing, murdering, harming, invading each other for CENTURIES!

French aligned themselves with Ottomans against Spanish Empire..and so on.

Its kinda like saying "Persia and Saudi Arabia are both part of one civilization (Islamic Civilization)" ...It might sound all good and dandy, but it is just not correct.

Also, terms like "culture" and "civilization" has no value or meaning to it. People always want to align themselves to something bigger than them, and hence masses like the terms like "culture", "civilization" , "Ummah" etc...

Just like in case of 'Islamic Civilization', there exists huge differences among nations/peoples of so-called "Western Civilization" ...

The reason you don't see chaos in so-called 'Western Civilization' is due to the presence of one, central force (United States). In the absence of one, most powerful central force, Europeans would've been competing with each other for resources, influence, and domination (kinda like how "Muslims" are doing for past century or so, after the central force of 'Islamic Civilization' (The Ottomans) fell.. )

I think that in the end Europe will stick together because we are beginning to see that somehow the rest of the world seems to colectively hate us,you can't take a turn without someone screaming "evil whites" at you,after the fall of comunism for example the isolated eastern europeans somehow realised that they are hated for beeing white and living in Europe,nevermind that we never had colonies or,like many asian/african countries we've constantly fought juggernauts for our freedom,we're white,we're christian...we're evil.Realising that the smaller european countries(even Germany with 80 mil people is small compared to Pakistan for ex) can't compete with emerging forces we're practically forced to stick together.

Even here i see many people screaming that europeans should pay for what they've done in history,why don't they go to Mongolia and make them pay for what they did to Baghdad 800 years ago?
 
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@flamer84

Here are the sources to back up my statements:

Stalin's Secret War
In ground breaking book entitles "Stalin's Secret War," Russian Historian Nikolai Tolstoy demonstrates that a majority of the Soviet citizens killed during the war were not victim of Nazi forces but were, in fact, the victims of Stalin and his NKVD henchmen in his merciless campaign of ferocious violence and mass murder against his own people to keep them subdued and subservient to Communist rule. Charles Luttons review of Stalin's Secret War

Book Review: CHARLES LUTTON: Stalin's War: Victims and Accomplices: STALIN'S SECRET WAR by Nikolai Tolstoy



And here is the account of the Polish ambassador to Washington:

Count Jerzy Potocki, the Polish Ambassador in Washington, in a report to the Polish Foreign Office in January 1939, is quoted approvingly by the highly respected British military historian Major-General JFC Fuller. Concerning public opinion in America he says "Above all, propaganda here is entirely in Jewish hands…when bearing public ignorance in mind, their propaganda is so effective that people have no real knowledge of the true state of affairs in Europe… It is interesting to observe that in this carefully thought-out campaign… no reference at all is made to Soviet Russia. If that country is mentioned, it is referred to in a friendly manner and people are given the impression that Soviet Russia is part of the democratic group of countries… Jewry was able not only to establish a dangerous centre in the New World for the dissemination of hatred and enmity, but it also succeeded in dividing the world into two warlike camps…President Roosevelt has been given the power.. to create huge reserves in armaments for a future war which the Jews are deliberately heading for." (Fuller, JFC: The Decisive Battles of the Western World vol 3 pp 372-374.)


And how Germans treated Polish military POW's:

German POW camp photos dispel myths

Photos Look Inside Nazi Prisoner of War Camp for Polish Officers - SPIEGEL ONLINE

While this is what Churchill and Roosevelt's Soviet Allies did to the Polish POW's on their side of the border:

Katyn Forest Massacre by NKVD Communist Zionists (english subtitles) - YouTube

Katyn massacre - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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I think that in the end Europe will stick together because we are beginning to see that somehow the rest of the world seems to colectively hate us,you can't take a turn without someone screaming "evil whites" at you,after the fall of comunism for example the isolated eastern europeans somehow realised that they are hated for beeing white and living in Europe,nevermind that we never had colonies or,like many asian/african countries we've constantly fought juggernauts for our freedom,we're white,we're christian...we're evil.Realising that the smaller european countries(even Germany with 80 mil people is small compared to Pakistan for ex) can't compete with emerging forces we're practically forced to stick together.

Even here i see many people screaming that europeans should pay for what they've done in history,why don't they go to Mongolia and make them pay for what they did to Baghdad 800 years ago?

Because the liberal marxist media doesn't constantly bring up Mongol bashing and refreshing the minds of the masses of the brutality committed by Mongol hordes, similarly it doesn't bring the Semetic involvement and origins of the African slave trade.

Media is very powerful.
 
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I have experienced the same with some Pakistani expats here as well. But not on a large scale, perhaps because the Pakistani community here isn't as large as the one in Europe.

My experiences with the North American Pakistani community has been far better, they seem far better integrated within the rest of society. Same for the ones in Germany, however, here in the UK we have the worst cases.
Perhaps not in my area in West London, but in East London, Luton, Rochdale, Bradford, Manchester and Birmingham.
 
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Even here i see many people screaming that europeans should pay for what they've done in history,why don't they go to Mongolia and make them pay for what they did to Baghdad 800 years ago?

Simple, some failures require someone else to blame for their own failings in order to shift blame away from themselves. This applies to individuals, & it applies to nations & ethnicities too.

Opportunistic people will always find ways to benefit from others. For example; calling for reparations for slavery is just an easy method to exploit another race's guilt for what I am assuming is primarily going to be financial gain.

Why don't they blame Mongolia? The simplest answer is; the predator knows its prey.
 
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I didn't believed this stuff once. But my friends living in Europe said this was true and done mostly by north-african people. What i fail to understand, how they are allowed to do this. If these guys came in Turkey and show the same behaviour...... the only duty of the police would be saving these people from the hands of the native Turks. I really don't understand.

There's isn't really much to be surprised of.

You're talking about people that use their right in a democratic and free country.
Countries like these can't even do anything against organizations, that harbour, encourage and even teach to be a pedophile.

I swear to god, I even saw a man telling on national television that he molested a 12 years old boy and that it even went to a extent how he did molest him.
 
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imho rise of the far right is what europe needs. it will actually create political balance. will speed up european integration as well. which is important because a counter-weight to US is required on world stage. EU and China can bring balance to global affairs.
 
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Why not view an individual as an individual instead of grouping people under banners? What I took from this was one person raped another person.
 
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In Ukraine ultra-nationalist party "Svoboda" (freedom) even get into the Parliament (Verkhovna Rada) and took 10% of voices. Their electorat - Western Ukrainians.
They hate Russians, Polish, Jewish, Romanian.
Their fothers and grandfothers fought on Nazi side against Red Army.
Other Ukrainians do not consider them as part of the Ukrainian people (they were under Polish and Austrian for many centuries). They are not even Orthodox.
If the bastards will come to power Civil War will start and Ukraine will be devided.
 
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My experiences with the North American Pakistani community has been far better, they seem far better integrated within the rest of society. Same for the ones in Germany, however, here in the UK we have the worst cases.
Perhaps not in my area in West London, but in East London, Luton, Rochdale, Bradford, Manchester and Birmingham.


That's because the americans as opposed to the british have stricter immigration policies.

@Desert Fox

I'm not one of those guys who think that WW2 was just evil nazis against good nations,it was a struggle for power between 2 blocs and the winners villified the loosers.I need no education in soviet barbarity as my country was at the receiving end of their actions and i know that people seem to forget that at the beginning of WW2 the USSR invaded Poland alongside nazi Germany or that the allies basically sold other european nations to the russians to have their peace of mind.Nor am I oblivious to allied war crimes like the bombing of Dresden or the infamous soviet Katyn massacre,rape of Germany and many others.That beeing sad,i don't find the nazis particularly pleasant either,they were just as bad as the soviets or english colonists,thought of themselves as superior to others and acted accordingly.

Going back to the immigration issue,the reason it is failing is because we've been doing this the wrong way,you can teleport Mogadishu over night next to Stockolm only to be shocked that they don't integrate.

As to white guilt ,well,this is a stupid concept some people seem to have,the western european whites weren't the only conquerors in history but they seem to get all the flak nowadays,i really don't know why don't they dismiss these silly accusations.Yes they robed,yes they conquered and enslaved people but who didn't on this planet? The people who are moaning have inferiority complexes and secretly regret that it wasn't their nation doing the conquering,that's why personally i don't like to dwell on the past,i don't moan about evil turks rulling and abusing us for 400 years(i ***** about the russians because they continue to interfere in my country's business and because of that 2 romanian nations are still separated) ,conquerors did only what came naturally to them.Time for the conquered to move on with life.

Now,the "jewish problem".I don't particularly like jews but if you think about it they're just another nation trying to survive in this shark eat shark world.Can we blame them just because they are succesful? As a romanian saying goes :"Nu e prost ala care cere,prost e ala care da.-It's not a fool the one who asks,the fool is the one who gives."
 
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'This isn't the Britain we fought for,' say the Veterans of WWII


By Tony Rennell
UPDATED: 17:55 EST, 21 November 2009

Sarah Robinson was just a teenager when World War II broke out.

She endured the Blitz, watching for fires during Luftwaffe air raids armed with a bucket of sand.

Often she would walk ten miles home from work in the blackout, with bombs falling around her.

As soon as she turned 18, she joined the Royal Navy to do her bit for the war effort.




Hers was a small part in a huge, history-making enterprise, and her contribution epitomises her generation's sense of service and sacrifice.

Nearly 400,000 Britons died. Millions more were scarred by the experience, physically and mentally.

But was it worth it? Her answer - and the answer of many of her contemporaries, now in their 80s and 90s - is a resounding No.


They despise what has become of the Britain they once fought to save. It's not our country any more, they say, in sorrow and anger.

Sarah harks back to the days when 'people kept the laws and were polite and courteous. We didn't have much money, but we were contented and happy.

'People whistled and sang. There was still the United Kingdom, our country, which we had fought for, our freedom, democracy. But where is it now?!'




The feelings of Sarah and others from this most selfless generation about the modern world have been recorded by a Tyneside writer, 33-year-old Nicholas Pringle.

Curious about his grandmother's generation and what they did in the war, he decided three years ago to send letters to local newspapers across the country asking for those who lived through the war to write to him with their experiences.

He rounded off his request with this question: 'Are you happy with how your country has turned out? What do you think your fallen comrades would have made of life in 21st-century Britain?'

What is extraordinary about the 150 replies he received, which he has now published as a book, is their vehement insistence that those who made the ultimate sacrifice in the war would now be turning in their graves.

There is the occasional bright spot - one veteran describes Britain as 'still the best country in the world' - but the overall tone is one of profound disillusionment.

'I sing no song for the once-proud country that spawned me,' wrote a sailor who fought the Japanese in the Far East, 'and I wonder why I ever tried.'

'My patriotism has gone out of the window,' said another ex-serviceman.

In the Mail this week, Gordon Brown wrote about 'our debt of dignity to the war generation'.

But the truth that emerges from these letters is that the survivors of that war generation have nothing but contempt for his government.


They feel, in a word that leaps out time and time again, 'betrayed'.

New Labour, said one ex-commando who took part in the disastrous Dieppe raid in which 4,000 men were lost, was 'more of a shambles than some of the actions I was in during the war, and that's saying something!'

He added: 'Those comrades of mine who never made it back would be appalled if they could see the world as it is today.

'They would wonder what happened to the Brave New World they fought so damned hard for.'

Nor can David Cameron take any comfort from the elderly.

His 'hug a hoodie' advice was scorned by a generation of brave men and women now too scared, they say, to leave their homes at night.

Immigration tops the list of complaints.

'This Land of Hope and Glory is just a land of yobs and drunks'

'People come here, get everything they ask, for free, laughing at our expense,' was a typical observation.

'We old people struggle on pensions, not knowing how to make ends meet. If I had my time again, would we fight as before? Need you ask?'



Many writers are bewildered and overwhelmed by a multicultural Britain that, they say bitterly, they were never consulted about nor feel comfortable with.


'Our country has been given away to foreigners while we, the generation who fought for freedom, are having to sell our homes for care and are being refused medical services because incomers come first.'

Her words may be offensive to many - and rightly so - but Sarah Robinson defiantly states: 'We are affronted by the appearance of Muslim and Sikh costumes on our streets.'

But then political correctness is another thing they take strong issue with, along with politicians generally - 'liars, incompetents and self-aggrandising charlatans' (with the revealing exception of Enoch Powell).

The loss of British sovereignty to the European Union caused almost as much distress. 'Nearly all veterans want Britain to leave the EU,' wrote one.

Frank, a merchant navy sailor, thought of those who gave their lives 'for King and country', only for Britain to become 'an offshore island of a Europe where France and Germany hold sway. Ironic, isn't it?'




As a group, they feel furious at not being able to speak their minds.

They see the lack of debate and the damning of dissenters as racists or Little Englanders as deeply upsetting affronts to freedom of speech.

'Our British culture is draining away at an ever increasing pace,' wrote an ex-Durham Light Infantryman, 'and we are almost forbidden to make any comment.'

A widow from Solihull blamed the Thatcher years 'when we started to lose all our industry and profit became the only aim in life'.

Her husband, a veteran of Dunkirk and Burma, died a disappointed man, believing that his seven years in the Army were wasted.

'It is 18 years since I lost him and as I look around parts of Birmingham today you would never know you were in England,' she wrote.

'He would have hated it. He also disliked the immoral way things are going. I don't think people are really happy now, for all the modern, easy-living conveniences.

'I disagree with same-sex marriages, schoolgirl mothers, rubbish TV programmes, so-called celebrities and, most of all, unlimited immigration.

'I am very unhappy about the way this country is being transformed. I go nowhere after dark. I don't even answer my doorbell then.'

A Desert Rat who battled his way through El Alamein, Sicily, Italy and Greece was in despair.

'This is not the country I fought for. Political correctness, lack of discipline, compensation madness, uncontrolled immigration - the "do-gooders" have a lot to answer for.

'If you see youngsters doing something they shouldn't and you say anything, you just get a mouthful of foul language.'


Undoubtedly, some of the complaints are 'grumpy old man' gripes, as the veterans themselves recognise - from chewing gum on pavements and motorists using mobile phones to the march of computerisation ('why can't I just go to the station and buy a railway ticket?') and the dearth of pop music tunes you can hum.

But it is the fundamental change in society's values which they find hardest to come to terms with.

Bring back birching and hanging, the sanctions they grew up with, they say. Put more bobbies back on the beat.

'We were rigidly taught good manners and respect for older people,' said a wartime WAAF, 'but the nanny state has ruined all that. Television programmes are full of violence and obscene language.

This Land of Hope and Glory is in reality a land of yobs, drug addicts, drunkard youths and teenage mothers who think they are owed all for nothing.'

Aged 85, she has little wish to go on living.

For others, the strength of character that got them through the war is still helping them to survive the disappointments of peacetime.

A crofter's son from Scotland who served on the Arctic convoys taking supplies to Russia found the immediate post-war years hard.



'In those days we had no welfare support from any source. It was as though we had served our country to the full and were then forgotten.

'However, we were very resilient and determined to make a go of it, and many of us, including myself, succeeded.

'How times have changed now, with the countless many clamouring to get welfare benefits for the asking.'

A medic who made it through Dunkirk and D-Day thought the fallen would be appalled by the lack of manners in modern life and the worship of celebrities, plus 'the patent dishonesty of politicians'.

Another common issue was their bemusement at the idea anyone could live in constant debt.

'We were brought up to believe that if you hadn't the money, you waited till you had!' one wrote.

However, this particular man was unusual among the 150 respondents in believing that there were many pluses to modern life.

He even had a good word to say about the European Union and felt it would appeal to the fallen 'if only for maintaining the peace in Europe over the past 60 years or so'.

He praised the breaking down of class barriers in Britain compared with the years when he was young and 'infinitely' increased prosperity.

'More clothes, cars, holidays abroad, home ownership. As a young teacher in the Fifties I had one suit (Army issue) and the luxury of a sports jacket and flannels at the weekend.

'Education has made vast progress. In my early days I taught classes of 50. Only five per cent of children went on to further education compared with over 40 per cent today.

'The emancipation of women has also been a huge plus, with the introduction of the Pill a large contributor. Before the war, women teachers were dismissed as soon as they married.'

A Land Girl who laboured on farms in Devon during the war agreed that 'we have so much to be grateful for.

'So much progress has been made to transform the standard of living since the war.'

But she could not help asking whether people were any happier.

She bemoaned the advent of the Pill and the collapse of sexual morality. 'In my day, drugs were unknown, families remained together, divorce was a rarity and children felt secure.

'Were our sacrifices made so hooligans may run wild? And aggressive behaviour be accepted as the norm by TV interviewers and society in general?'

A captain with a Military Cross for valour under fire thought Britain was still the best country in the world.

The 'occasional' sight of parents and nicely dressed children gave an otherwise gloomy veteran of the Italian campaign a sense that 'what we did all those years ago was not for nothing'.

A grandmother, the widow of a Royal Marine who took part in the D-Day landings, felt the National Health Service had descended into chaos but was grateful for a pensioner's free television licence, 'which brings art, travel and animals into my home', and being able to text her grandchildren.

Just being alive was a bonus. 'Although I hate what is happening to our country, I am so happy to be here, grumbling, but remembering better, happier days,' she wrote.

But one of the bitterest complaints of the veterans was that their trenchant views on many of the matters aired here were constantly ignored by those in authority.

Their letters of complaint to councillors and MPs went unanswered.

It was as if they didn't matter, except when wheeled out for the rituals of Remembrance Day.





'Why do so many of the British public confuse sentimentality with genuine concern for others?' asked one letter-writer.

But this was the generation honoured in Remembrance services last weekend, showered with gratitude and teary-eyed sentiments as their dwindling ranks marched unsteadily past the Cenotaph and other war memorials throughout the UK.

The overall impression any reader of the letters gets is that this generation feel unheard, unwanted and unimportant.

This remarkable collection of their thoughts should give us pause for reflection.

They may be deemed beyond their sell-by date (and many of their views may seem unacceptable, flouting every sort of 'ism' imaginable) but, by their deeds of 60-plus years ago, they have won the right to be listened to and their disillusionment noted with respect.

In one letter in this collection, an RAF mechanic quoted a poem about comrades who fell in battle: 'I mourned them then, But now surviving in a world, Indifferent to their hopes and dreams, I grieve more for the living.'

• The Unknown Warriors by Nicholas Pringle, £11.69. For copies, go to the website The Unknown Warriors, a WWII non fiction history book in paperback and ebook for kindle etc format.

These soldiers echo the same emotions patriotic Indian soldiers would want to speak from the good old yester years.

India is also sadly going this way: not a nanny state, but instead an apologist, enemy-appeasing, self-ashamed, weak state.

Those heroes from the wars of 65 and 71 will also say the same things if such a trend continues.

We must see what these people are talking about. We are becoming just apes of blind western-ism.

In Ukraine ultra-nationalist party "Svoboda" (freedom) even get into the Parliament (Verkhovna Rada) and took 10% of voices. Their electorat - Western Ukrainians.
They hate Russians, Polish, Jewish, Romanian.
Their fothers and grandfothers fought on Nazi side against Red Army.
Other Ukrainians do not consider them as part of the Ukrainian people (they were under Polish and Austrian for many centuries). They are not even Orthodox.
If the bastards will come to power Civil War will start and Ukraine will be devided.

So what exactly does the right wing want?

Ukraine was at its peak under USSR with many technological hubs located within the Ukrainian SSR.

However, nanny state mentality is proving to be destructive in Europe while migrations from hostile and primitive countries continue into European apologetic political systems.

This will really take the European continent to the brink of civil wars all across.

Ukraine is feeling the heat with hardly any economic immigrants.

Imagine what would be going through the minds of British, French, Germans and Russians who have a significant immigrant population and that too a large portion of it is on benefits?
 
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So what exactly does the right wing want?

Ukraine was at its peak under USSR with many technological hubs located within the Ukrainian SSR.
They do not know what they want exactly. They want to ban Russian language and Russians themselves. They want absolute ukrainization of dozens of millions people in Ukraine that speek Russian.
They want to claim Nazi as a true heroes of Ukraine. They want rewright history.
And in the end - they want to kill all non-Ukrainians (as they see Ukrainians).
 
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