UK to start new drone program following example of Turkey’s Bayraktar: Guardian

[Beast]

Don't get me wrong I am not saying Wing Long 2 is average and in fact it is a good drone but it couldn't change the realities on the ground for Haftar and UAE while the terrain was suitable for drone wars. Haftar and UAE could bring down TB2 occasionally but not TB2s. Haftar had more manpower but his troops got completely depleted out in the open terrain as the Libyian gov't gained the air superiority in the drone wars

Haftar so called manpower r just mercenaries who come and work for money. U think they will die for him?
LNA still controlled most of Libya when cease fire goes into effect. GNA is so good, why didnt they defeat Haftar and united Libya but accept ceasefire too?

Wing Loong 2 has far more payload, speed and endurance than TB2 becos it is a far larger UAV with a more powerful engine than TB2. Turkey just like China in earlier times are hamper by lack of more powerful piston or turboshaft. Western are going to embargo Turkey and see how Turkey T-129K export are now dead. Domestic turboshaft will take long time to materialized or never materialised.

 

[Titanium100]

Haftar so called manpower r just mercenaries who come and work for money. U think they will die for him?
LNA still controlled most of Libya when cease fire goes into effect. GNA is so good, why didnt they defeat Haftar and united Libya but accept ceasefire too?

Wing Loong 2 has far more payload, speed and endurance than TB2 becos it is a far larger UAV with a more powerful engine than TB2. Turkey just like China in earlier times are hamper by lack of more powerful piston or turboshaft. Western are going to embargo Turkey and see how Turkey T-129K export are now dead. Domestic turboshaft will take long time to materialized or never materialised.

Why are sanctions even relevant in this topic. Turkey produces everything locally it has shifted into self-production all parts.

Haftar had more manpower inside Libya and he was about to win before turkey intervened but his troops got depleted to almost very few and he couldn't defend any more territories as he was spent. The reason ceasefire came to effect was due to Egyptian parliament and Sisi wanting to intervene that is why ceasefire came into effect not because of Haftar he couldn't defend Sirte or Bengazi his troops was completely depleted and spent by that time

 

[Beast]

Why are sanctions even relevant in this topic. Turkey produces everything locally it has shifted into self-production all parts.

Haftar had more manpower inside Libya and he was about to win before turkey intervened but his troops got depleted to almost very few and he couldn't defend any more territories as he was spent. The reason ceasefire came to effect was due to Egyptian parliament and Sisi wanting to intervene that is why ceasefire came into effect not because of Haftar he couldn't defend Sirte or Bengazi his troops was completely depleted and spent by that time

Don't delude yourself. Turkey is far from sufficient of local defense production. They have a lot of big project but far from materialized. You shall need to update yourself for their Altay 2, T-129K export and even MILGEM which is using American LM-2500 gas turbine. I know what I am talking and far more in depth than the problem Turkish defense industries faced.

Turkey offended the west and their TFX is at mercy of them due to the engine is also sourced from them. And pls dont tell me another local engine available. They will not be ready even in 2030.

 

[Titanium100]

Don't delude yourself. Turkey is far from sufficient of local defense production. They have a lot of big project but far from materialized. You shall need to update yourself for their Altay 2, T-129K export and even MILGEM which is using American LM-2500 gas turbine. I know what I am talking and far more in depth than the problem Turkish defense industries faced.

You don't know more then I do regarding this and in fact it has only increased the speed which they produce now since they stop purchase parts. All the projects have moved ahead in completion date. But you think you know matters then I will let you have peace with that. Turkey imo will become one of the biggest weapons suppliers in the next decade and the following decade after that perhaps in top 3 as orders will come in and especially when the Stealth fighter is completed around 2025

 

[Kamil_baku]

Laughable Wing Loong 2 we saw that drone in action people have fairly good picture of what it can and cannot it just failed UAE and haftar. It was outperformed by TB2 Turkey could bring it down while it's drones had superiority in the air.

Armenia was fully active in Nagorno conflict and even a military personale admitted they were send weapons secretly from russia systems they couldn't even imagine but it still couldn't stop TB2 and TB2s and that guy was fired after making these statements

Azerbaijan shoot down 8 s-300 system, latest buk and so on... that guy who said it was deputy defence minister of Armenia, so its a kid who was talking...
on the other hand, Armenia was using thousands of artilleries from forests(mortars also), they even used 2 iskender and dozens of scud ballistic missiles but still couldnt stop Azerbaijani army. Azerbaijan which lost the area for 6 years without a single and and ammunition, took it back withn 44 days.. against Armenia that Russia would give its best weapons.. Azerbaijan also shared photo of destroyed Russia's latest EW system by tb2..

The Azeris had the bigger army, the better equipment, a bigger budget, and air superiority.

It was a one sided fight, the drones just made things much easier for the Azeri forces.

If Armenia was able to successfully contest the air, and make drones unusable, the Azeris would still have won, it just would have taken longer.

air superity? Armenia had Su-30 jets, compare Azerbaijan only used Su-25 against land forces

 

[Kamil_baku]

Don't get me wrong I am not saying Wing Long 2 is average and in fact it is a good drone but it couldn't change the realities on the ground for Haftar and UAE while the terrain was suitable for drone wars. Haftar and UAE could bring down TB2 occasionally but not TB2s while Wing Loong 2 was brought down frequently. Haftar had more manpower but his troops got completely depleted out in the open terrain hence why he lost the air superiority in the drone wars

the problem with Chinese drones, their operation attitude is only 3000 meters, easyyy target for a good air defence systems.. also it breaks down a lot.. Irag bought 12 and only 1 of them is operational today.. Algeria bought to test and 3 already down.. Kazakistan wanted to purchase but they also came to conclusion that TB2 is better even though they make most of its money from selling gas to China..

Haftar so called manpower r just mercenaries who come and work for money. U think they will die for him?
LNA still controlled most of Libya when cease fire goes into effect. GNA is so good, why didnt they defeat Haftar and united Libya but accept ceasefire too?

Wing Loong 2 has far more payload, speed and endurance than TB2 becos it is a far larger UAV with a more powerful engine than TB2. Turkey just like China in earlier times are hamper by lack of more powerful piston or turboshaft. Western are going to embargo Turkey and see how Turkey T-129K export are now dead. Domestic turboshaft will take long time to materialized or never materialised.

the main thing is important in UAV is its operational attitude.. thats what makes difference, who cares its speed if its an easy target, where even in Yemen they shoot it down or you can see it with your eyes in the air.. CHina also lacks thermal camera capabilities to see through clouds..
also, just today, Turkey officially mentioned that 3 new 625 aircraft will be handed to Turkish Jandarma with Turkish local engine, which will be used in t129, with this engine the helicopter able to lift additionally 1 ton, and engine specifically designed to work on hot and harsh weather.. so i wonder what will you tell now?
also about the ships, Turkey will make Ukrainian engine locally, which CHine use the same for its ships..

 

[Beast]

the problem with Chinese drones, their operation attitude is only 3000 meters, easyyy target for a good air defence systems.. also it breaks down a lot.. Irag bought 12 and only 1 of them is operational today.. Algeria bought to test and 3 already down.. Kazakistan wanted to purchase but they also came to conclusion that TB2 is better even though they make most of its money from selling gas to China..

Another poor attempt to smear Chinese product, you r talking about old Chinese done. Now Chinese are selling CH-4B and Wing Loong II as main UCAV export and we have sourgraped attempt to fool reader with misinfo. typical low life tactic. Kazahkstan just went to Turkey to look at TB2 and we have typical sensational Turkish media spinning story. Show me an official link from Kazahkstan that they abandon Chinese drone and go for TB2

Wing-Loong Lethal UAS

Xian's Northwest Polytechnic University (NPU) ASN-206 probably is China's most advanced UAV. NPU claims the drone can be used for day/night aerial reconnaissance, battlefield surveillance, target positioning, artillery spotting, border patrol, nuclear radiation sampling, aerial photography and...

www.globalsecurity.org

	Wing-Loong I	Wing-Loong II	MQ-9 Reaper
Aircraft length	9m
Aircraft altitude	2.8 m
Wingspan	14 m	67 feet (20.5 meters)	66 feet (20.1 meters)
Maximum takeoff weight	1150 kg	9,260 pounds (4,200 kg)	10,500 pounds (4,760 kilograms)
Maximum altitude	7500 m	29,527 feet	50,000 feet (15,240 meters)
Maximum speed	280 km/h
Maximum endurance	20 h	20 hours
Normal takeoff distance	=800 m
Landing roll	=800 m
Maximum task load	200 kg	1,058 pounds (480 kg)	3,750 pounds (1,700 kilograms)

 

[Kamil_baku]

Another poor attempt to smear Chinese product, you r talking about old Chinese done. Now Chinese are selling CH-4B and Wing Loong II as main UCAV export and we have sourgraped attempt to fool reader with misinfo. typical low life tactic. Kazahkstan just went to Turkey to look at TB2 and we have typical sensational Turkish media spinning story. Show me an official link from Kazahkstan that they abandon Chinese drone and go for TB2

Wing-Loong Lethal UAS

Xian's Northwest Polytechnic University (NPU) ASN-206 probably is China's most advanced UAV. NPU claims the drone can be used for day/night aerial reconnaissance, battlefield surveillance, target positioning, artillery spotting, border patrol, nuclear radiation sampling, aerial photography and...

www.globalsecurity.org

	Wing-Loong I	Wing-Loong II	MQ-9 Reaper
Aircraft length	9m
Aircraft altitude	2.8 m
Wingspan	14 m	67 feet (20.5 meters)	66 feet (20.1 meters)
Maximum takeoff weight	1150 kg	9,260 pounds (4,200 kg)	10,500 pounds (4,760 kilograms)
Maximum altitude	7500 m	29,527 feet	50,000 feet (15,240 meters)
Maximum speed	280 km/h
Maximum endurance	20 h	20 hours
Normal takeoff distance	=800 m
Landing roll	=800 m
Maximum task load	200 kg	1,058 pounds (480 kg)	3,750 pounds (1,700 kilograms)

i only talked about facts... why do you feel bad about it?
Algeria made a huge detailed report about it, instead of spending time here, go to read it..
You might have better drone with jet engine which obviously will fly higher, but it will also come with the sound and huge heat signature, again it doesnt make you safe there.. whats special about TB2 is its a diesel engine, which can work on high attitudes where there little oxygen.. look at PD170 engine, it can work at 40feet attitude.. Turkey also used to have a problem there, now you have it. one day you might make it, but the reality is you dont care about quality much

 

[Beast]

i only talked about facts... why do you feel bad about it?
Algeria made a huge detailed report about it, instead of spending time here, go to read it..
You might have better drone with jet engine which obviously will fly higher, but it will also come with the sound and huge heat signature, again it doesnt make you safe there.. whats special about TB2 is its a diesel engine, which can work on high attitudes where there little oxygen.. look at PD170 engine, it can work at 40feet attitude.. Turkey also used to have a problem there, now you have it. one day you might make it, but the reality is you dont care about quality much

LOL.. WHat rubbish fact r u talking about? Wing Loong I only has 2000m attitude? The link I provided already slap your face , talking about 7500m max attitude. There is reason why Saudi, Iraq, UAE, Indonesia, Egypt, Serbia, Pakistan get Chinese drone.

You can fool 3 years old kid with your fabricate data. But you cant do it here....

 

[Kamil_baku]

LOL.. WHat rubbish fact r u talking about? Wing Loong I only has 2000m attitude? The link I provided already slap your face , talking about 7500m max attitude. There is reason why Saudi, Iraq, UAE, Indonesia, Egypt, Serbia, Pakistan get Chinese drone.

You can fool 3 years old kid with your fabricate data. But you cant do it here....

the problem is you got no idea about UAV technology, tb2 flied over 27000 feet but its operational attitude is 18000 feet.
Same with Chinese, 7500 meters fly attitude and 3000-4000(lets say even 5000) operational attitude...
on the other hand you dont have proper thermal camera, so your UAVs need to come down to shoot a missile, which also means it will probably more clear in radar and shoot down..

 

[Beast]

the problem is you got no idea about UAV technology, tb2 flied over 27000 feet but its operational attitude is 18000 feet.
Same with Chinese, 7500 meters fly attitude and 3000-4000(lets say even 5000) operational attitude...
on the other hand you dont have proper thermal camera, so your UAVs need to come down to shoot a missile, which also means it will probably more clear in radar and shoot down..

Another typical smearing with no idea. How many lies you want to fabricate?

Why not u claim Chinese cant make turboshaft for Helo and tank while superpower turkey can do it? I know u r salty of Chinese powerful military industry. There is reason why PA buy Chinese VT-4 tank and not Turkey Altay tank becos Turkey is not capable of making a 1300-1500HP tank engine. Pakistan are utterly disappointed with Turkey.

T-129K deal is also gone after US slap Turkey with re-export sanction. Hope they slap MILGEM deal with ban on LM-2500 gas turbine. I want to see how your bragging can go about?

 

[IblinI]

i only talked about facts... why do you feel bad about it?
Algeria made a huge detailed report about it, instead of spending time here, go to read it..
You might have better drone with jet engine which obviously will fly higher, but it will also come with the sound and huge heat signature, again it doesnt make you safe there.. whats special about TB2 is its a diesel engine, which can work on high attitudes where there little oxygen.. look at PD170 engine, it can work at 40feet attitude.. Turkey also used to have a problem there, now you have it. one day you might make it, but the reality is you dont care about quality much

Confident is a good thing but over confident, hmmm.
The reality on ground clearly says otherwise, anyway happy new year.
Wing loong 10 with service celling of 14.5KM

let alone PLA HALE drone Soar dragon/HALE AWACS drone Divine eagle both giants with wingspan of 30-40m and service celling of 20km/25km.

 

[Kamil_baku]

Another typical smearing with no idea. How many lies you want to fabricate?

Why not u claim Chinese cant make turboshaft for Helo and tank while superpower turkey can do it? I know u r salty of Chinese powerful military industry. There is reason why PA buy Chinese VT-4 tank and not Turkey Altay tank becos Turkey is not capable of making a 1300-1500HP tank engine. Pakistan are utterly disappointed with Turkey.

T-129K deal is also gone after US slap Turkey with re-export sanction. Hope they slap MILGEM deal with ban on LM-2500 gas turbine. I want to see how your bragging can go about?

what a low level answer.. i wrote very technical, you write like a guy who sells orange in Bazaar,, when you answer technically, then we can talk. adios

Confident is a good thing but over confident, hmmm.
The reality on ground clearly says otherwise, anyway happy new year.
Wing loong 10 with service celling of 14.5KM
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let alone PLA HALE drone Soar dragon/HALE AWACS drone Divine eagle both giants with wingspan of 30-40m and service celling of 20km/25km.
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We talk about Turbo diesel engine. how you say good morning in Chinese? ))

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Azerbaijan lost thousands of men in only a month. They certainly didn't care how many men they lose against Artsakh. But once Russia intervened they surrendered immediate. In China we call this Qi Ruan Pa Ying. 欺软怕硬. Bully the weak, fear the strong.

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Wing Loong 2 has far more payload, speed and endurance than TB2 becos it is a far larger UAV with a more powerful engine than TB2.

Not to mention SATCOM. You need that for long range strike.