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UK minister under fire for singling out Pakistani men

Back in the days there was pretty OK relationship between folks from subcontinent background in the west.

People saw past eachothers religious and nationality differences as they all were busy with establishing a new life in their new countries.

Ive met some indians recently, one of them a really nice and polite sardar and the other is young 2nd genration gujrati who also is really nice, and who seemed embarrased of indians general backwardness. I said well Goa must be nice, whereas he answered it was full of garbage everywhere and lots of addicts. I was amused because tbh i expected he gonna be another indian braggart «india is the best» type of guy.

Here where i live, most indian newcomers are highy educated professionals. There is really zero tolerance for communal shit here and muslims are well established and pretty strong community, so even if some stupid hindutva tried anything funny there would be a immidiate backlash.
 
This thread is on fire. I remember people threatening Hindus in UK and blah blah, when Islamist radicals mainly of Pakistani origin set the flag on fire at the Hindu temple.
 
This thread is on fire. I remember people threatening Hindus in UK and blah blah, when Islamist radicals mainly of Pakistani origin set the flag on fire at the Hindu temple.

There is very little you guys can do. The Pakistani diaspora in Britain is strong. They are influential. Occupy good positions and your right wing buddies are also pooping bricks. You try something foolish and you will see the backlash.
 
There is very little you guys can do. The Pakistani diaspora in Britain is strong. They are influential. Occupy good positions and your right wing buddies are also pooping bricks. You try something foolish and you will see the backlash.
The thing is I’ve never had hatred for them like I do now. I would look at them as someone who our forefathers protected and ruled over; hence, it’s more of protector and ruler mentality towards them. No different on how Whites look at Blacks in the US, like yeah we have history together.
This new breed of extremists will not bode well for them either in England or the US. Not all of us are like the GHQ where money is out before honor.
 
For me the best place in the world to live is where there are no Indians. I can never live in Pakistan with billions of them next door. I escaped to Canada but unfortunately Trudeau is filling up the country with Indians so that they vote for him and he keeps winning elections.

Now I’m thinking of moving to Yukon. A vast territory of only 40,000 people with more moose than people. The only Indians are the native type.

I hope there aren’t any Indians in the afterlife.
 
LONDON: British Home Secretary Suella Braverman’s remarks that British-Pakistani men “hold cultural values at odds with British values” have been criticised by political commentators and children’s charities as “inflammatory” and akin to initiating “race wars”.

Ms Braverman came under fire when, during a Sky News interview about plans to tackle child sexual abuse, she spoke about “the predominance of British-Pakistani males who hold cultural values totally at odds with British values”.

“[British-Pakistani men] see women in a demeaned, illegitimate way, and pursue an outdated and frankly heinous approach to the way we behave,” Ms Braverman commented after she was informed that a Home Office report in 2020 concluded that most child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, and that there was not enough evidence to suggest members of grooming gangs were disproportionately more likely to be Asian or black.

Ms Braverman instead pointed to reports from Rotherham, which was rocked by a child sexual exploitation scandal in which five British-Pakistani men were convicted of grooming, raping and exploiting young girls. The home secretary also cited a 2015 report penned by Dame Louise Casey CB, which ironically noted how British-Pakistani community had been “harmed by association” in the scandal.


Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, who is expected to roll out new measures to tackle sexual violence against children, said the grooming gang crackdown would defy “political correctness”. However, he did not repeat Ms Braverman’s comments targeting Pakistanis.

The government vowed that experienced specialist officers and members of the National Crime Agency will assist police forces with their investigations into child sexual abuse cases.

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Speaking on a Sky News show after Ms Braverman, West Yorkshire Mayor Tracy Brabin said, “It feels very dog whistle, if I may say, and it doesn’t deal with what is happening on the ground.”

British actor and presenter Adil Ray was one of many who pointed out that, as per the Home Office report in 2020, most perpetrators are white. Braverman was attorney general at the time [it was published].”

British-American political commentator Mehdi Hasan tweeted, “Despite heavy competition, and despite her own ethnicity, Suella Braverman may be the most bigoted, cynical, and dangerous politician to emerge from the modern UK Conservative Party in many decades. This is vile and dishonest stuff.”

Former chief prosecutor Nazir Afzal, too, drew attention to the predominance of white male perpetrators in child sexual abuse case data.

“Suella Braverman knows that 84% of child sex offenders are white British, but chooses to focus on those who are not,” he posted.

For The Independent, journalist Adam Forrest penned a column titled “Is Sunak’s grooming gangs crackdown just ‘dog whistle’ politics?”, in which he wrote, “The suspicion remains that the Tories have latched upon the grooming gangs issue again in order to create controversy, rile up voters in the Midlands and north of England and demonstrate they are the party willing to say the “unsayable”.

Chief Executive of the National Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children, Sir Peter Wanless, said government’s focus on tackling such crimes was welcome, but race should not be the focus.

“Child sexual exploitation by organised networks is one pernicious form of abuse and it’s welcome to see the government focus on disrupting perpetrators and protecting victims. This must be backed up with funding for services to help child victims recover and support for a justice system that is struggling to cope.

“It’s also vital we remember that any child can be a victim of child sexual exploitation and adult perpetrators do not just come from one background. Sexual predators will target the most vulnerable and accessible children in society and there must be a focus on more than just race so we do not create new blind spots that prevent victims from being identified.”

Sabah Kaiser, an ethnic minority ambassador to the independent inquiry into child sexual abuse led by Professor Alexis Jay, who investigated child abuse in Rotherham, said, it was “very, very dangerous” for the government to turn child sexual abuse into a matter of colour.

“Child sexual abuse does not have a skin colour, it doesn’t have a religion. It doesn’t have a culture. Child sexual abuse does not discriminate. And so therefore, it is really, really important that we as a nation have a singular societal response to this issue,” she told Today on BBC 4.

“It is really important that we do not turn this very, very important issue into an issue about colour. Because let’s be frank, let’s be serious: that grabs headlines, but that is not helpful for this topic.”



@waz

I have noticed that ever since the Hindutva have taken over Britain there is a constant attack against Pakistani community by both the far right and Indians. How are you guys experiencing this in Britain? How are things after the Leicester riots? Any chance of mass communal violence?

Its similar in the states with the trans stuff. I am assuming racial politics is different in the UK and Europe than here.

Right wing outrage machine on race here is effectively dead after George Floyd, the only thing you have is affirmative action and kaaley attacking Asians. Asians will take the mantle of the race bait stuff.

Hindutvaadis don't shy away from violence and threats, even an Afghan-American state senator got threats for introducing a caste bill.

ritish Pakistanis seem to be the only Pakistanis who still have their balls

Unlike Pakistani-Americans.

However the dynamics is very different.
 
This thread is on fire. I remember people threatening Hindus in UK and blah blah, when Islamist radicals mainly of Pakistani origin set the flag on fire at the Hindu temple.

Just watch the thread and have fun here...Pakistan and its people are no different than it was during the 80s...I was hoping with the advent of IK, their mindset will change to a moderate one...But old habits die hard...Some people find some reason to hate Hindus...It is difficult for them to digest that a practicing Hindu can be a leader in a developed nation even if it is just a fluke.

Sometimes, I feel strange to see the amount of hatred and vitriol against Indians and in specific Hindus within PDF even though people in this forum are expected to be all educated and elite sections of society within Pakistan.
 
They might make political remarks and talk tough on the TV bit in real life, they're too scared to do anything.

This can be said for gora conservatives everywhere.

Children are actually being groomed in public schools here and no gorey parents wants to pull their kids out of school or do anything about it.
 
There is very little you guys can do. The Pakistani diaspora in Britain is strong. They are influential. Occupy good positions and your right wing buddies are also pooping bricks. You try something foolish and you will see the backlash.

They are British and are implementing British policies, nothing to do with India.
 
Sometimes, I feel strange to see the amount of hatred and vitriol against Indians and in specific Hindus within PDF even though people in this forum are expected to be all educated and elite sections of society within Pakistan.

I have never specifically Been an advocator or a hater of Indians myself, unlike what is seen in @Dalit and @hussain0216

Im in favour of Indians posting, but they should know when to shut the **** up, otherwise it'll damage their already marginalised reputation on this site
 
Tories will not win the next general election for sure. When they lose, sunak and braverman will both be out. The white English public will not vote for an indian.

Does the cost of living crisis in the UK right now play a role in the potential loss?

We used to be rich but those days are gone and will never come back

Same here bro 😂

America is done for.

Politics in the western democracies have shifted to the right and labour will have their fair share of Rishi, Priti and Suella.

No

Republicans were expected to sweep the midterms, but that didn't happen. It will remain very polarized as the American right is too crazy and unelectable and the left is too much into trans stuff.
 
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I have never specifically Been an advocator or a hater of Indians myself, unlike what is seen in @Dalit and @hussain0216

Im in favour of Indians posting, but they should know when to shut the **** up, otherwise it'll damage their already marginalised reputation on this site

No one need to be shut up .... If someone is breaking the rule, report and ban him/her...It is a simple process to remove any Indian who is breaking the rule....But it is not just about just posting but rather the way our disagreement or disliking is being communicated with each other...

But forget about Indian posters, you guys should watch the way even Pakistan posters are interacting amongst themselves...Irrespective political situation, even you are not even ready to listen to each other...So I am not expecting too much for Indian posters
 
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