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Had you followed this very thread properly, you wouldn't have made that false statement.
There is nothing false in there it is an assessment and please instead of giving a collective statement try to prove me wrong. Only 22 of the Mirages UAE has are equiped with advanced counter measures and rest are just old ones upgraded.

Buying those Mirages is a waste of money. With the new F 35 coming in almost many countries will be retiring more advanced F16 why not go for them or Australian F18 which are to be retired.
 
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There is nothing false in there it is an assessment and please instead of giving a collective statement try to prove me wrong. Only 22 of the Mirages UAE has are equiped with advanced counter measures and rest are just old ones upgraded.

Buying those Mirages is a waste of money. With the new F 35 coming in almost many countries will be retiring more advanced F16 why not go for them or Australian F18 which are to be retired.

So now you are going to tell me what the UAE Mirages are equipped with, Nice!

Good to see you making a fool of yourself, as usual.
 
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Look when it comes to air force the numbers do count but with anti air systems getting too much accurate the game is shifting towards more advance tech. If you send an air-strike or interceptors in the air towards India we need to analyze the situation first of all how far we stand from India. How far is the target we need to intercept or bomb out. How much speed we require. what will be a safe route how much altitude we need to operate in. Currently there is no bomber of fighter that can fly above the range of SAM. the most recent interception was made by turkey when it shot down Russian SU 35s in the Syrian conflict. Currently SU 35s is the most advance tested and capable fighter jet flying out there, If Turkey can bring it down so can every one with a good enough SAM so If we are going for a purchase and not development we should go for something better than SU 35s. If we want to just increase numbers just keep producing JF 17 Mirages are far less capable than JF 17 and the more units we produce will also reduce the cost of JF 17 and give us more numbers and a low cost. If we want an advance fighter jet USA will not sell us F 35 until they have made F45 so no point in dreaming for it. The better option is to develop an interceptor version of JF 17 currently and get on board with China or Turkey with the 5th gen program with that money. Or invest that money to develop better RADAR or anti air system.
Pal ... U really need to stop false commenting ... Turkey Shot Down a Su24! !!! a ground attack aircraft!!!! intercepted by an F16 NOT SAM!!! get you FACTS correct!

The Mirages are far more capable and combat proven than the JF 17
We need air defense no doubt but the fighter jets are not just for defense but they also help offensive. Mirages can be shot down with S300 (which India has) easily but there are only 22 Mirages in UAE Air froce that have advance counter measures. Instead of just going for numbers which we can produce in form of JF 17, We only needed these Mirages for ground attack due to their advance targeting pods, if we are getting those targeting pods from turkey we don't need these mirages. We should keep an eye on China for advance attack fighter jet and get something from the J family.
ALL UAEDAF MIrages are all upgraded to the 2000-9 variant ,.... stop this false commenting!
 
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So now you are going to tell me what the UAE Mirages are equipped with, Nice!

Good to see you making a fool of yourself, as usual.
Give me one good reason to buy those old planes. If you cannot afford Iphone you buy Android but not Nokia 3310. Question number one why is UAE selling those Mirages to get better jets most probably UAE will follow Qatar and go for F15-Eagle against who Iran. Iran has much less aerial capability than India. Every one thinking this a better option is because they are cheap but what every one is forgetting that fighter pilots are not cheap and We here in Pakistan don't want our loved pilots to be sitting ducks for India, well that being said we will go for the new Chinese Jet or if F 15 is not on the table for us SU 35s surely is. It is better to keep your money in your pocket that to waste it on a cheap unwanted deal. If we need high numbers of jets in air JF 17 is better than the Mirrage so we should make more JF 17 and focus on some better technology. Only 30 jets in UAE air-force are worth looking at but still those 30 will be waste of money. They come cheap but they high operational cost, The very reason for the success of JF 17. So no to old Mirages either F 15 or SU 35s or make more and better JF 17.

ALL UAEDAF MIrages are all upgraded to the 2000-9 variant ,.... stop this false commenting!
Can we except a good defense advice from an Indian? If so why either he or she hates India or there is other motive behind it. We need an advantage over Rafael. We don't want to give advantage to Rafael so we should go for SU35s and not Mirages.
Pal ... U really need to stop false commenting ... Turkey Shot Down a Su24! !!! a ground attack aircraft!!!! intercepted by an F16 NOT SAM!!! get you FACTS correct!
You are 100% correct here and the very reason I said that was for you to correct me. UAE and India want Pakistan to not get a better jet but stay under Indian Superiority. If we buy SU35s from Russia that will improve our ties with the country and We will get a more advance Jet. Raffay will get more than just competition
 
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Good reason to buy

I can given you few reasons

1- The planes have 10-11 year life left in them great stop gap while JF17 ramps up
2 - We can retire few planes that have life span of 20-25 years and we have used majority of it
3- We have a big infrastructure for working with French Planes and Technology (Maintaining 180 planes)
4- The plane is still heavily used by French Airforce

Deal only worth while if planes avilable for pick up immediately

Biggest plus we can reach our existing goal of 150 new generation planes sooner which we started with in 2010


JF17 Thunder due to high demand is being sold to other airforces as well , plus we have our own orders so the ideal numbers for it that we anticipated will come along slowly
 
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Good reason to buy

I can given you few reasons

1- The planes have 10-11 year life left in them great stop
2 - We can retire few planes that have life span of 20-25 years and we have used majority of it
3- We have a big infrastructure for working with French Planes and Technology (Maintaining 180 planes)
4- The plane is still heavily used by French Airforce
Please compare the JF 17 and Mirrage 2000 9 if you have all the info lets see where we get. please also include the price, speed, operational range, pay-load and etc.
 
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Give me one good reason to buy those old planes. If you cannot afford Iphone you buy Android but not Nokia 3310. Question number one why is UAE selling those Mirages to get better jets most probably UAE will follow Qatar and go for F15-Eagle against who Iran. Iran has much less aerial capability than India. Every one thinking this a better option is because they are cheap but what every one is forgetting that fighter pilots are not cheap and We here in Pakistan don't want our loved pilots to be sitting ducks for India, well that being said we will go for the new Chinese Jet or if F 15 is not on the table for us SU 35s surely is. It is better to keep your money in your pocket that to waste it on a cheap unwanted deal. If we need high numbers of jets in air JF 17 is better than the Mirrage so we should make more JF 17 and focus on some better technology. Only 30 jets in UAE air-force are worth looking at but still those 30 will be waste of money. They come cheap but they high operational cost, The very reason for the success of JF 17. So no to old Mirages either F 15 or SU 35s or make more and better JF 17.

Some people don't know when to stop, they just keep on chasing their own tails and making a fool of themselves.
Btw, Are we selling, that you are getting your knickers in a bunch?


29 April 2010 ·

Though the UAE’s first batch of 36 Mirage 2000s were purchased in 1986, 30 survivors have been extensively refurbished and then upgraded – bringing them to the same standard as the 32 new Mirage 2000-9s ordered in 1998 under the so-called Bader 21 purchase agreement and delivered from 2003. As such, all surviving UAE Air Force and Air Defence Mirage 2000s now share the same 21st Century 2000-9 configuration and, thus, represent the top of the Mirage 2000 evolutionary tree.

The Mirage 2000-9 incorporates state-of-the-art technologies and advanced capabilities that the basic Mirage 2000 lacks, many of which were incorporated as a direct result of experience gained by Dassault during the development of the Rafale, and which may be viewed as ‘Rafale technology’, with similar modular avionics, an LCD glass cockpit with full night vision goggles compatibility, and advanced sensors and systems.

At the core of the Mirage 2000-9’s navigation and attack system is a Thales-and Dassault Aviation-developed modular data processing unit (MDPU) that is similar to that used by the Rafale. This serves as the mission computer, manages the navigation and attack system, controls the cockpit display system and generates symbology for the head-up display (HUD) and head-down displays (HDDs). As a result, the Mirage 2000-9 is claimed to enjoy a world-beating, highly intuitive man-machine interface.

Though the Mirage 2000-9 is externally very similar to the original Mirage 2000C fighter, it actually represents the culmination of several stages of technical advance. The Mirage 2000-5 was developed as a private venture multi-role update of the fighter Mirage 2000 with a new Thales RDY multimode radar, a wide-angle HUD, hands-on throttle and stick (HOTAS) controls, and with provision for a Thales TV/CT CLDP laser designator pod.

The aircraft was further upgraded for export customers as the Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2. This added RDY-2 radar with enhanced air-to-ground capabilities. The Mk 2 also gained a new Thales Totem 3000 ring laser gyro IN/GPS, an ICMS 2 countermeasures suite and a Samir DDM missile warning system, higher resolution colour cockpit displays, and provision for a Topsight helmet-mounted display.

Compared to the Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2, the UAE’s -9 variant incorporates what Dassault coyly refers to as “additional operating capabilities specified by the UAE AF & AD”, and which include enhanced survivability and much-improved long-range stand-off air-to-ground capabilities.

With the USA unwilling to facilitate the integration of certain local weapons on aircraft that it supplies to the UAE, to avoid upsetting certain regional sensitivities, it has been the Mirage 2000 that has acted as the delivery platform for the UAE’s Black Shaheen cruise missile (a derivative of the MBDA Apache/SCALP/Storm Shadow) and the MBDA Al Hakim family of rocket-boosted LGBs. The original UAE Mirage 2000EAD was equipped with a ‘day-only’ ATLIS II laser targeting pod, but the Mirage 2000-9 was provided with a new Shehab laser designation pod – with a Nahar navigation FLIR in the dedicated pylon used to attach the Shehab pod to the aircraft.

The Mirage 2000-9 has a unique new IMEWS electronic warfare and countermeasures system. IMEWS was designed and developed by Thales, Elettronica and MBDA to UAE Air Force and Air Defence requirements.

The aircraft also has a new Thales communication, navigation, identification (CNI) suite, with a frequency-agile Thomrad V/UHF secure voice radio system, and an LU2 tactical datalink.

The Mirage 2000-9 is powered by the latest version of the SNECMA M53-P2 turbofan, incorporating FADEC and a sophisticated autothrottle (which provides automatic control of engine speed to maintain whatever speed is selected by the pilot).

Development of the Mirage 2000-9 was spread over five years and was divided into two distinct weapon delivery and navigation system standards, known as SAD91 and SAD92. Deliveries of 32 new-build aircraft to SAD91 standards began at the end of April 2003 and continued until early 2004.

Retrofitting of the UAE’s surviving 30 Mirage 2000EAD/RAD/DADs to the new standard was jointly undertaken by French specialists based in Paris , and at the Istres Flight Test Centre and by UAE Air Force & Air Defence (AF & AD) staff at Al Dhafra. The first two of these aircraft were upgraded in Istres , France , between 2001 and 2003, with the remaining 28 undergoing upgrade at Al Dhafra. The conversion consisted of a major overhaul and the avionics/equipment retrofit, undertaken simultaneously. The programme ran until 2007.

The Mirage 2000-9 programme provided the UAE AF & AD with invaluable experience and allowed the UAE to establish in-country software development, weapon integration, test and evaluation capabilities.
@MastanKhan do note

If the country’s planned Rafale purchase goes ahead, the UAE’s surplus fleet of Mirage 2000-9s would represent an extremely potent fighter for any buyer, far more modern and far more capable than the simple Mirage 2000 name might suggest, and quite probably available at a bargain price.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/one-careful-owner-why-mirage-sale-might-be-no-illusion.html
 

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Give me one good reason to buy those old planes. If you cannot afford Iphone you buy Android but not Nokia 3310. Question number one why is UAE selling those Mirages to get better jets most probably UAE will follow Qatar and go for F15-Eagle against who Iran. Iran has much less aerial capability than India. Every one thinking this a better option is because they are cheap but what every one is forgetting that fighter pilots are not cheap and We here in Pakistan don't want our loved pilots to be sitting ducks for India, well that being said we will go for the new Chinese Jet or if F 15 is not on the table for us SU 35s surely is. It is better to keep your money in your pocket that to waste it on a cheap unwanted deal. If we need high numbers of jets in air JF 17 is better than the Mirrage so we should make more JF 17 and focus on some better technology. Only 30 jets in UAE air-force are worth looking at but still those 30 will be waste of money. They come cheap but they high operational cost, The very reason for the success of JF 17. So no to old Mirages either F 15 or SU 35s or make more and better JF 17.


Can we except a good defense advice from an Indian? If so why either he or she hates India or there is other motive behind it. We need an advantage over Rafael. We don't want to give advantage to Rafael so we should go for SU35s and not Mirages.

You are 100% correct here and the very reason I said that was for you to correct me. UAE and India want Pakistan to not get a better jet but stay under Indian Superiority. If we buy SU35s from Russia that will improve our ties with the country and We will get a more advance Jet. Raffay will get more than just competition
Are you High??? ... Thats some prety powerful stuff u are smoking!

Pretty DUMB way of covering your false commenting!

Please compare the JF 17 and Mirrage 2000 9 if you have all the info lets see where we get. please also include the price, speed, operational range, pay-load and etc.
U forget to add weapon system and which of the two is combat proven! .... HINT : Mirage wins all hands!

Some people don't know when to stop, they just keep on chasing their own tails and making a fool of themselves.
Btw, Are we selling, that you are your knickers in a bunch?


29 April 2010 ·

Though the UAE’s first batch of 36 Mirage 2000s were purchased in 1986, 30 survivors have been extensively refurbished and then upgraded – bringing them to the same standard as the 32 new Mirage 2000-9s ordered in 1998 under the so-called Bader 21 purchase agreement and delivered from 2003. As such, all surviving UAE Air Force and Air Defence Mirage 2000s now share the same 21st Century 2000-9 configuration and, thus, represent the top of the Mirage 2000 evolutionary tree.

The Mirage 2000-9 incorporates state-of-the-art technologies and advanced capabilities that the basic Mirage 2000 lacks, many of which were incorporated as a direct result of experience gained by Dassault during the development of the Rafale, and which may be viewed as ‘Rafale technology’, with similar modular avionics, an LCD glass cockpit with full night vision goggles compatibility, and advanced sensors and systems.

At the core of the Mirage 2000-9’s navigation and attack system is a Thales-and Dassault Aviation-developed modular data processing unit (MDPU) that is similar to that used by the Rafale. This serves as the mission computer, manages the navigation and attack system, controls the cockpit display system and generates symbology for the head-up display (HUD) and head-down displays (HDDs). As a result, the Mirage 2000-9 is claimed to enjoy a world-beating, highly intuitive man-machine interface.

Though the Mirage 2000-9 is externally very similar to the original Mirage 2000C fighter, it actually represents the culmination of several stages of technical advance. The Mirage 2000-5 was developed as a private venture multi-role update of the fighter Mirage 2000 with a new Thales RDY multimode radar, a wide-angle HUD, hands-on throttle and stick (HOTAS) controls, and with provision for a Thales TV/CT CLDP laser designator pod.

The aircraft was further upgraded for export customers as the Mirage 2000-5 Mark 2. This added RDY-2 radar with enhanced air-to-ground capabilities. The Mk 2 also gained a new Thales Totem 3000 ring laser gyro IN/GPS, an ICMS 2 countermeasures suite and a Samir DDM missile warning system, higher resolution colour cockpit displays, and provision for a Topsight helmet-mounted display.

Compared to the Mirage 2000-5 Mk 2, the UAE’s -9 variant incorporates what Dassault coyly refers to as “additional operating capabilities specified by the UAE AF & AD”, and which include enhanced survivability and much-improved long-range stand-off air-to-ground capabilities.

With the USA unwilling to facilitate the integration of certain local weapons on aircraft that it supplies to the UAE, to avoid upsetting certain regional sensitivities, it has been the Mirage 2000 that has acted as the delivery platform for the UAE’s Black Shaheen cruise missile (a derivative of the MBDA Apache/SCALP/Storm Shadow) and the MBDA Al Hakim family of rocket-boosted LGBs. The original UAE Mirage 2000EAD was equipped with a ‘day-only’ ATLIS II laser targeting pod, but the Mirage 2000-9 was provided with a new Shehab laser designation pod – with a Nahar navigation FLIR in the dedicated pylon used to attach the Shehab pod to the aircraft.

The Mirage 2000-9 has a unique new IMEWS electronic warfare and countermeasures system. IMEWS was designed and developed by Thales, Elettronica and MBDA to UAE Air Force and Air Defence requirements.

The aircraft also has a new Thales communication, navigation, identification (CNI) suite, with a frequency-agile Thomrad V/UHF secure voice radio system, and an LU2 tactical datalink.

The Mirage 2000-9 is powered by the latest version of the SNECMA M53-P2 turbofan, incorporating FADEC and a sophisticated autothrottle (which provides automatic control of engine speed to maintain whatever speed is selected by the pilot).

Development of the Mirage 2000-9 was spread over five years and was divided into two distinct weapon delivery and navigation system standards, known as SAD91 and SAD92. Deliveries of 32 new-build aircraft to SAD91 standards began at the end of April 2003 and continued until early 2004.

Retrofitting of the UAE’s surviving 30 Mirage 2000EAD/RAD/DADs to the new standard was jointly undertaken by French specialists based in Paris , and at the Istres Flight Test Centre and by UAE Air Force & Air Defence (AF & AD) staff at Al Dhafra. The first two of these aircraft were upgraded in Istres , France , between 2001 and 2003, with the remaining 28 undergoing upgrade at Al Dhafra. The conversion consisted of a major overhaul and the avionics/equipment retrofit, undertaken simultaneously. The programme ran until 2007.

The Mirage 2000-9 programme provided the UAE AF & AD with invaluable experience and allowed the UAE to establish in-country software development, weapon integration, test and evaluation capabilities.
@MastanKhan do note

If the country’s planned Rafale purchase goes ahead, the UAE’s surplus fleet of Mirage 2000-9s would represent an extremely potent fighter for any buyer, far more modern and far more capable than the simple Mirage 2000 name might suggest, and quite probably available at a bargain price.

http://www.arabianaerospace.aero/one-careful-owner-why-mirage-sale-might-be-no-illusion.html
To Add the best choice for the Rafale , is that existing inventory for weapons ie. missile, bombs etc can be easily be used/integrated by the rafale
 
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Are you High??? ... Thats some prety powerful stuff u are smoking!

Pretty DUMB way of covering your false commenting!
It is simple economics.
Difference between JF 17 and Mirage is none just the sensors are advance in Mirage but the New Turkish sensors make JF 17 better in that tech too plus increasing the more production numbers will maintain better production line and reduce the cost thus making JF 17 more cheaper and we will be able to get more orders for the jet.

ASELSAN has sold 16 E/O ASELPODs to Pakistan for $25 million

UAE ordered 20 single-seater Mirage 2000-9. These were equipped with a classified countermeasures system designated IMEWS. Initial deliveries of the UAE Mirages were in the spring of 2003. We just need these plus the 8 Surveillance pods they have not the rest of the junk
 
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UAE ordered 20 single-seater Mirage 2000-9. These were equipped with a classified countermeasures system designated IMEWS. Initial deliveries of the UAE Mirages were in the spring of 2003. We just need these plus the 8 Surveillance pods they have not the rest of the junk

Seems you like making a fool of yourself.

This is me proving that you can take a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

https://defence.pk/threads/uae-pakistan-and-mirage-2000-9s.473162/page-21#post-9133299
 
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It is simple economics.
Difference between JF 17 and Mirage is none just the sensors are advance in Mirage but the New Turkish sensors make JF 17 better in that tech too plus increasing the more production numbers will maintain better production line and reduce the cost thus making JF 17 more cheaper and we will be able to get more orders for the jet.

ASELSAN has sold 16 E/O ASELPODs to Pakistan for $25 million

UAE ordered 20 single-seater Mirage 2000-9. These were equipped with a classified countermeasures system designated IMEWS. Initial deliveries of the UAE Mirages were in the spring of 2003. We just need these plus the 8 Surveillance pods they have not the rest of the junk
The UAEDAF has 65+ frames all of the latest 2000-9 variant (let me guess u forgot the read post #308 from @Khafee)

Any expert in this Forum can tell you there is more to any fighter than JUST a POD .... + you do know that this POD is only for SR/ground attack not for Air to Air , that's where the Radar for the Mirage is far more advance to that of the JF17
 
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The UAEDAF has 65+ frames all of the latest 2000-9 variant (let me guess u forgot the read post #308 from @Khafee)

Any expert in this Forum can tell you there is more to any fighter than JUST a POD .... + you do know that this POD is only for SR/ground attack not for Air to Air , that's where the Radar for the Mirage is far more advance to that of the JF17
Some people don't know when to stop. The more they talk, the more they show the world how clueless they are. Let him rant on, he himself is destroying his own credibility.
 
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Buying those Mirages is a waste of money. With the new F 35 coming in almost many countries will be retiring more advanced F16 why not go for them or Australian F18 which are to be retired.

Who is retiring F-16 ?
 
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