UAE Crown Prince to visit Pakistan tomorrow 'to further strengthen bonds of friendship'

[fitpOsitive]

You need their jobs and favour .
But you are right in a sense that you don't have to hate them for being a prick just learn and lesson and struggle hard to not be dependent in future.
We also failed as a nation to become dependent again and again .

Well, we will see when in near future, war will knock on the doors of whole Persian Gulf region, that, who is dependent on who. New European establishment in UAE, after Dr Anwer, kicked out Pakistanis out, and deliberately tried to isolate UAE and Saudia isolated. Now when we Pakistanis are out of the Regine, there is no strong pro-arab force left.
Soon a new war will hit main Arab land, and this time, we Pakistanis will not be with them.

 

[waz]

So like What do you want bro ?
It's like siblings or parents complaining we feed you and help you grow up but now they are on their own . It's we who have to grow up and come out of this 'muhalla ki massi' syndrome . No one is entitled to us . If we offered services then they are paid. And no one stop us from becoming great .

Oh I agree but then at the same time we bed to drop these labels of friends. No one owes us a thing likewise we don’t owe them either.

 

[Mandalorian_CA]

Let Pakistan bankrupt once . Otherwise how long we run artificial measure for short term economic gains and look good for the sake of next election.

poor people in Pakistan might disagree with you.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Well, we will see when in near future, war will knock on the doors of whole Persian Gulf region, that, who is dependent on who. New European establishment in UAE, after Dr Anwer, kicked out Pakistanis out, and deliberately tried to isolate UAE and Saudia isolated. Now when we Pakistanis are out of the Regine, there is no strong pro-arab force left.
Soon a new war will hit main Arab land, and this time, we Pakistanis will not be with them.

More good for us .
Imran khan has made it clear thousand times. We are not partner in conflict . Neither our amry is ready to be part of any conflict . This neutrality is good . And they too know that in conflict no body is going to help them.. So basically they lick American boots to Save them. Even go as far as to meet and accept isreal.
If things like allowing them to hunt, showing them your devotion supporting them in international forums but you their favour and in terms jobs and money and investment then what more you can ask .
Neither they come to us in conflict nor we . Accept it friend. They have accepted it already
.

 

[TNT]

The nation was among the first to recognise the UAE and also set-up its key institutions from scratch from the 70's onwards.
Pakistan laid the foundations down for their state including their armed forces, police, health and education and commercial aviation field, at a time when Pakistan was in dire straights having suffered a military defeat and losing a portion of its nation. Pakistan also smoothed over ties between Iran and the UAE back then.
Pakistan has more than enough deserved their help, and till this day Pakistan significantly helps with military expertise.

U can build institutions for anyone unless they do it themselves. Look at US failed to build an army or otjer institutiin Afghanistan. Yes we cooperated and they responded. Our nuclear weapons wont be possible if it wasnt for UAE. We cooperate militarily but that serves us more than them, we get to train with modern weapons. You cannot call that return with interest, infact we have returned not even 10℅.
Why is even there any anger? Just coz they establish business ties with india? By that logic we should hate china too coz they have huge business ties with india.

 

[-blitzkrieg-]

You see in Canada there are no bhuttos or sharifs or patwaris . The leaders ibn the west are sincere to their countries. As a comman man I can go and stand up to Trudeau, lets see if u can do that in Pakistan.
I do not have kids so no welfare cheques and I work so i do not eat from food banks either but donate them.
Look at economy of Canada. Pakistan is surving on arab money , if it were'nt arab loans then Pakistan would be bankrupt. Its a harsh reality.

i was talking about your people not you lol..
You are definitely a teenager else you would have understood what i was talking about..I wsnt comparing two economies or their leaders..
I was telling you how dependent you are on USA.Of all the trade partners USa has Canada is holder of the biggest trade defecit...Funny Canadian leaders can only shout on Hongkong,Xignjiang but has a pin drop silence on Kashmir and Palestine...you are a ghulaam not independent.Therefore you shouldnt have any moral standing to call any other nation dependent/surviving in same way let alone Pakistan's dependency on Arabs in only with regards to its workers there.


Following is Canada's export proportion.

Your indian friends in Canada have bugged your mind to believe Pakistanis cant survive without Arabs. Pakistan is with Arabs because it eyes the prize of Hejaz once the kingdom lets it in to survive..Its a very strategic area.

 

[waz]

U can build institutions for anyone unless they do it themselves. Look at US failed to build an army or otjer institutiin Afghanistan. Yes we cooperated and they responded. Our nuclear weapons wont be possible if it wasnt for UAE. We cooperate militarily but that serves us more than them, we get to train with modern weapons. You cannot call that return with interest, infact we have returned not even 10℅.
Why is even there any anger? Just coz they establish business ties with india? By that logic we should hate china too coz they have huge business ties with india.

I’m sorry that’s your opinion not facts, you asked where Pakistan helped and I gave you the areas, helped is also an understatement I'd say above and beyond. It's way beyond the "10%" you stated.
Yes sure nations have to helped themselves but that doesn't negate the fact that had Pakistan not been there they would have been other timelines in play e.g. nothing credible would have been built, they could have been taken advantage of etc. Also your similitude of comparing the Afghanistan/US relationship with the Pakistan/UAE one is completely incorrect. One involves a conflict between two parties and one party being in a position of strength, where as the other was one of brotherly ties.
Many contributed to the nuke program and even without the UAE it would have happened, the most important aspect here was technical expertise, Pakistan did that by itself. Aside most of the funding actually came from Saudi. Also as for training with "modern weapons", aside from the more advanced F-16's I don't see how Pakistan gets more out of this. It's more mutually beneficial.
It's not also about business ties, what of the prestigious medals given? What of letting Modi sequel on their very land in stadiums about "terrorism" or shall we say Pakistan?

 

[PakFactor]

Who can tell me that crown Prince face don't look like a snake?

Looks like a manose camel.

 

[TNT]

I’m sorry that’s your opinion not facts, you asked where Pakistan helped and I gave you the areas, helped is also an understatement I'd say above and beyond. It's way beyond the "10%" you stated.
Yes sure nations have to helped themselves but that doesn't negate the fact that had Pakistan not been there they would have been other timelines in play e.g. nothing credible would have been built, they could have been taken advantage of etc. Also your similitude of comparing the Afghanistan/US relationship with the Pakistan/UAE one is completely incorrect. One involves a conflict between two parties and one party being in a position of strength, where as the other was one of brotherly ties.
Many contributed to the nuke program and even without the UAE it would have happened, the most important aspect here was technical expertise, Pakistan did that by itself. Aside most of the funding actually came from Saudi. Also as for training with "modern weapons", aside from the more advanced F-16's I don't see how Pakistan gets more out of this. It's more mutually beneficial.
It's not also about business ties, what of the prestigious medals given? What of letting Modi sequel on their very land in stadiums about "terrorism" or shall we say Pakistan?

So if US in the position of strength couldnt build institutions for Afghanistan, how could Pakistan do that for them by being friendly? Leave that, Pakistan cant build its own institutions, how can u take credit for building it for UAE??
In nuclear technology its more about the hardware than the expertise, it was via UAE black market that Pakistan got a hold of those equipment, again funding by saudi and UAE. I dont understand how "helping" with institutions or military cooperation is paying back with interest the billions of dollars worth assistance we have got?
UAE is a multinational country and has big indian diaspora, so what if they do business with india? Doesnt china do business with india? Doesnt Malaysia? Also we denied helping them in yemen, so what u expect? Yet after all this, when our PM went for money n oil, they helped instead of pointing to Pakistan betrayal in yemen. Am not even going to go in details of how we routed stuff through UAE when we were under sanctions.

 

[waz]

So if US in the position of strength couldnt build institutions for Afghanistan, how could Pakistan do that for them by being friendly? Leave that, Pakistan cant build its own institutions, how can u take credit for building it for UAE??
In nuclear technology its more about the hardware than the expertise, it was via UAE black market that Pakistan got a hold of those equipment, again funding by saudi and UAE. I dont understand how "helping" with institutions or military cooperation is paying back with interest the billions of dollars worth assistance we have got?
UAE is a multinational country and has big indian diaspora, so what if they do business with india? Doesnt china do business with india? Doesnt Malaysia? Also we denied helping them in yemen, so what u expect? Yet after all this, when our PM went for money n oil, they helped instead of pointing to Pakistan betrayal in yemen. Am not even going to go in details of how we routed stuff through UAE when we were under sanctions.

You simply haven't understood my point regarding relationship dynamics. The UAE was more receptive because it came from a friend, few in Afghanistan see the US as a friend, hence the issues surrounding nation building.

No the materials are not the most important part. You can reference the British and French nuclear programs as a start, they had ample resources and the said materials, it was actually the expertise that was sought after and information sharing. Here's another thing, the legendary Pakistani scientist Dr Raziuddin Siddiqui (ra) worked on both.
I didn't say Pakistan just simply "helped" rather than Pakistan built from scratch and went beyond mere help. So the tens of millions that came after were fully justified and their way of saying thank you, I might also add that the Saudis actually put up the bulk of the money. You also missed out the part how Pakistan helped with UAE foreign relations.
As for the UAE doing business with India that's fine, I never said they shouldn't.
As for denying them in Yeman, ok so where was their military help during Kargil? How about the 2001 standoff? Pakistan didn't complain, even though they were a key ally. So why bring up Yemen? Why would Pakistan send thousands upon thousands of its young men to die when when there is a huge enemy on the borders, a threat of the likes the UAE has never seen. Just another thing look at how much of a mess the whole Yemen issue is now.
Yes they gave money and that's something to be grateful for and likewise Pakistan continues its support as well.

I noticed you missed out how the UAE gave Modi a medal and let him bark against Pakistan on its soil. I know its uncomfortable but I'll mention it again to you. By the way do you think Pakistan would do likewise with the Iranian leader i.e. give him a lovely medal and let him bark against Arab friends? No it won't happen, so that's how much Pakistan cares....

Look but no offence but I'm not here to change your mind on this issue, and you can't change mine. I don't want any relations broken, but they are no friends now. Continuing this exchange is a waste of time, our views are polar opposite, and frankly I don't have the time, the site requires attention elsewhere.
Agree to disagree is what I will do here now. I will read your reply but won't respond, again not out of spite but because other things take priority.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

So if US in the position of strength couldnt build institutions for Afghanistan, how could Pakistan do that for them by being friendly? Leave that, Pakistan cant build its own institutions, how can u take credit for building it for UAE??
In nuclear technology its more about the hardware than the expertise, it was via UAE black market that Pakistan got a hold of those equipment, again funding by saudi and UAE. I dont understand how "helping" with institutions or military cooperation is paying back with interest the billions of dollars worth assistance we have got?
UAE is a multinational country and has big indian diaspora, so what if they do business with india? Doesnt china do business with india? Doesnt Malaysia? Also we denied helping them in yemen, so what u expect? Yet after all this, when our PM went for money n oil, they helped instead of pointing to Pakistan betrayal in yemen. Am not even going to go in details of how we routed stuff through UAE when we were under sanctions.

Denied them help in Yemen? When did the Emiratis ever offer to fight for Pakistan against india?

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Abu Dhabi's Crown Prince Sheikh Mohamed bin Zayed Al-Nahyan (3L) reviews a guard of honor at the Prime Minister House in Islamabad on Jan 6, 2019. — Photo by PID/AFP
Abu Dhabi Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan will arrive in Islamabad tomorrow (Thursday) for a day-long visit "to further strengthen the bonds of friendship between the two brotherly countries", according to a statement by the UAE Ambassador in Islamabad.

During the visit, the crown prince will hold a meeting with Prime Minister Imran Khan "to discuss the ways to enhance bilateral relations between the two countries", said the statement.

In addition, views on "matters of mutual interest and the regional and global situation" will also be discussed.

The UAE crown prince had last visited Pakistan on January 6 in 2019, just weeks after his country offered $3 billion to support Pakistan's battered economy.

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The UAE crown prince's visit, which is part of growing exchanges between Pakistan and Arab countries, will take place less than a week after Emirati Minister for Tolerance Sheikh Nahyan bin Mabarak Al-Nahyan met the premier and President Arif Alvi to discuss possibilities of expanding bilateral ties.

Prior to that, Saudi Foreign Minister Prince Faisal bin Farhan Al-Saud had toured Islamabad and Emirati Foreign Minister Sheikh Abdullah bin Zayed bin Sultan Al-Nahyan had also visited Pakistan.

Prime Minister Imran had visited Saudi Arabia, while Chief of Army Staff Gen Qamar Bajwa had travelled to Abu Dhabi on December 14.

The prime minister held consultations with Crown Prince Mohammad bin Salman covering bilateral matters and regional developments. Gen Bajwa had meanwhile called on the Abu Dhabi crown prince. The two discussed “regional security environment and matters of mutual interest".

The premier's visit to Riyadh had followed a trip to Bahrain where he was awarded the country's highest civilian honour.

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Pakistan avoids KL Summit
The multiple visits between representatives of UAE, Saudi Arabia and Pakistan come in the backdrop of the Kuala Lumpur summit in Malaysia, which was held to discuss the problems faced by the Muslim Ummah.

Pakistan was one of the first countries with whom Malaysian Prime Minister Dr Mahathir had shared his plans for holding the summit when he met Prime Minister Imran along with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly session in New York in September.

The premier had formally conveyed his acceptance of the invitation to the summit when Deputy Foreign Minister of Malaysia Marzuki Bin Haji Yahya called on him in Islamabad on November 29.

However, after his visit to Saudi Arabia — which was seen as a way to reassure the kingdom that ties between both countries remain firm despite Islamabad’s engagement with other Muslim countries — the premier decided to stay away from the summit. The decision was attributed by Erdogan to Saudi Arabia's threats to Pakistan of economic sanctions.

According to Daily Sabah, Erdogan had said that it was not the first time that Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates had put pressure on a country for doing or not doing certain things.

Following Erdogan's statement, Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi said that the KL summit was a sincere effort by the Malaysian premier to pool energies and strength of Muslim countries, but "some friends" apprehended the initiative might divide the Ummah and establish a forum parallel to the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).

Qureshi said Pakistan was still making efforts to end the misunderstandings and “we are grateful to the leadership of Malaysia and Turkey who not only heard our point of view but also understood it”

Blimey, these Arab sheiks are becoming indian level ugly by the minute. This sheikh looks like a typical gangu..................Imran Khan looks more European than him........

 

[TNT]

Denied them help in Yemen? When did the Emiratis ever offer to fight for Pakistan against india?

When did Pakistan ever ask for a military help??? U do realize the difference?? They asked Pakistan publicly and we denied it, that too through parliament. Imagine u financing a group for decades and when u ask for help they deny and embarrass u publicly...
@waz they let modi bark because our relations were strained.

I am all up for having independent foreign policy but then dont go around with a begging bowl. I would have preferred imran khan hanging all the corrupts and taking into custody their whole families n taking all the looted money but he chose to instead go on a begging spree.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

When did Pakistan ever ask for a military help??? U do realize the difference?? They asked Pakistan publicly and we denied it, that too through parliament. Imagine u financing a group for decades and when u ask for help they deny and embarrass u publicly...
@waz they let modi bark because our relations were strained.

I am all up for having independent foreign policy but then dont go around with a begging bowl. I would have preferred imran khan hanging all the corrupts and taking into custody their whole families n taking all the looted money but he chose to instead go on a begging spree.

Because they would have definitely fought for us if we did...........

 

[PakFactor]

Denied them help in Yemen? When did the Emiratis ever offer to fight for Pakistan against india?






Blimey, these Arab sheiks are becoming indian level ugly by the minute. This sheikh looks like a typical gangu..................Imran Khan looks more European than him........

It's worse, they look as if a camels face was shipped by a leather belt.

Because they would have definitely fought for us if we did...........

I see no reason at all to help them, last 70+ years have they sent any able bodied individual to help us fight? Hell we Pakistani's held our own against a county 7x our size, and they couldn't stop a country the size of Lahore. After spending billions of dollars every year on hardware and equipment and latest tech they shouldn't even have to ask around at all.

The Saudi's alone spend annually $ 60B on weapons -- I never see a KSA personal on the LOC and they have the nerve to ask us to shed our blood and for what so they put a gold medal on Modi, **** them.

 

[El Sidd]

Because they would have definitely fought for us if we did...........

So what is your opinion on PTI and Imran Khan?