U.S. Weighs Strikes Into Baluchistan

[S-2]

"For Haqqani to be conducting negotiations over his future with the knowledge of the GoA and Saudis..."

I think you mean Hekmatyar. If not, please post something. Thanks.

As U.S. Weighs Taliban Negotiations Afghans Are Already Talking-NYT

"...it beggars belief to think US intel is not aware of whats going on"

Excuse me? Who suggested otherwise? We're quite certain they're there. That's not the same as being able to do something about it.

"The only thing you have is 'belief' that the leadership is operating out of Pakistan - Gen. Pasha indicated that might be as much the case, and his comment regarding their activities is IMO also indicative of the fact that they are kept on a tight leash."

Please forever keep this amazing sentence in your mind. With absolute nonchalant dismissal you confirm for me your belief that your D.G.I.S.I. likely knows where the active leadership of the taliban are and is more concerned for their rights of free expression than assisting in the most obvious manner our collective efforts.

Your tight leash reminds me of the need to restrain attack dogs...

They seem to be off the leash now and again.

Anyway, says all I need from you.

 

[Mav3rick]

Believe it or not, all this shyt going on is because of Osama bin Laden. If he hadn't attacked the US, none of this would be happening. Pakistanis should be so over the top angry with him for all the "collateral damage" they have suffered for him that they find him and turn his sorry a$$ over. I'm amazed that some Pakistani patriot hasn't dropped a dime on him yet.

First of all most of us Pakistani's (infact Muslims around the world) do not believe Arabs are smart enough to have had planned and operated the 9/11 attack. Most of us believe that it was carried out by MOSSAD and CIA had prior knowledge on it! OBL is just a CIA pawn, no wonder you haven't been able to find him, its because you don't want to find him!

 

[Mav3rick]

"For Haqqani to be conducting negotiations over his future with the knowledge of the GoA and Saudis..."

I think you mean Hekmatyar. If not, please post something. Thanks.

As U.S. Weighs Taliban Negotiations Afghans Are Already Talking-NYT

"...it beggars belief to think US intel is not aware of whats going on"

Excuse me? Who suggested otherwise? We're quite certain they're there. That's not the same as being able to do something about it.

"The only thing you have is 'belief' that the leadership is operating out of Pakistan - Gen. Pasha indicated that might be as much the case, and his comment regarding their activities is IMO also indicative of the fact that they are kept on a tight leash."

Please forever keep this amazing sentence in your mind. With absolute nonchalant dismissal you confirm for me your belief that your D.G.I.S.I. likely knows where the active leadership of the taliban are and is more concerned for their rights of free expression than assisting in the most obvious manner our collective efforts.

Your tight leash reminds me of the need to restrain attack dogs...

They seem to be off the leash now and again.

Anyway, says all I need from you.

Mate you are just a one way street, you don't even wanna listen to what 'Agnostic Muslim' is saying. Why don't you guys listen for a change instead of just imposing whatever you believe or want the world to believe on the rest of the world?

 

[KnightRyder]

After almost eight years, the U.S and its allies STILL haven't been able to achieve a victory in Afghanistan. It's a fact that over 70% of Afghanistan is still under Taliban control. Who's to say that Osama Bin Laden is not hiding in Afghanistan?

You people need to get your priorities straight. U.S and it's allies haven't been able to achieve squat in Afghanistan and it's been eight years. Contemplating a war within Pakistan using Osama Bin Laden as a scapegoat sounds like a laughable Idea.

It just baffles me to see why people still suggest America's supposedly continuous failure in Afghanistan. The resurgence of Taliban and claims of controling 70% or more territory maybe true, but i highly doubt their ability to challenge US military might anytime soon. They're certainly not losing the ground battle anytime soon, however they *are* miserably losing "winning the hearts and minds" part of the psychological war for sure.

BUT.....has it ever occured to you that perhaps winning in Afghanistan are NOT in the interests of the US strategic planners? They're certainly a qualified well-trained and probably the most experienced war planners there's on earth. One shouldn't expect them to make such foolish mistakes...

From what I can gather from western sources such as NYT or WP and similar other websites with well established links to the Dept of Defence and foreign office and strategic military planners, I dont think the US intends to win any sort of war in Afghanistan. Nor are they there to build. They're simply there to stop the rise and expansion of any Islamic movement that seeks to challenge US hegemony in the region.

If America is planning to target BLA terrorists in Baluchistan then by all means, you're more than welcome. But unfortunately, we all know that's not in America's interest.

America targeting BLA thugs directly would be far worse for Pakistan than Pakistan doing the job herself. It's not America's or Russias or the UK's job to clean our backyards. Why would any country from another continent want to solve our internal problems? It is just beyond me. It's our own job to clean our own backyard. If Pakistan wants to clean up the thugs in Baluchistan, it must provide Justice coupled with basic necessities to the locals in a transparent and systematic manner to root out the problems.

We all know that preventing collateral damage is simply not in the interests of the US Army Strategic planners when targeting terrorists. In Iraq Think of what they've done to Afghanistan or Iraq in terms of collateral damage to get a glimpse of reality.


Needless to say it would turn the entire population of Baluchistan against Pakistan like never before. The separatist movements recruitments would increase like never before. They'd certainly thrive on the whole notion of Pakistan's complicity in involving the *dreaded* AMERICANS to bomb and kill their innocents ruthlessly.

 

[KnightRyder]

Mate you are just a one way street, you don't even wanna listen to what 'Agnostic Muslim' is saying. Why don't you guys listen for a change instead of just imposing whatever you believe or want the world to believe on the rest of the world?

I wholeheartedly agree.


S-2 is certainly an interesting character on board. You are spot on right in saying that he has a "my way or the highway" approach.

His justifications of America's military and otherwise presence in much of the world is highly indicative of his 19th century imperialistic mindset.

So reminiscent of the Bush's periods neo-cons. the neo-cons and their supporters have developed a mindset and become so comfortable with power and control over influencing the world that they deem any compromise with an enemy a treason.


21st century is the era of transparency and accountability demanding equity and equaility and freedoms from governments. these liberal elements have shaped the mindsets of our new generations and would seriously harm america's interests.

 

[S-2]

"His justifications of America's military and otherwise presence in much of the world is highly indicative of his 19th century imperialistic mindset.

So reminiscent of the Bush's periods neo-cons."

Well, we've got a problem here. I can't be a classic imperialist and a new conservative at the same time. Methinks, Knightryder, you simply reached into your grab-bag of anti-American pejoratives and pulled those two out.

I'm sorry that you can't appreciate my perspective. I take solace in knowing that my government and I appear to see matters largely the same. Finally, to agree with most of you would make me an enemy of the afghani people as there are so few here in favor of NATO's mission.

The world simply can't afford more of Pakistan's meddling in Afghani internal affairs. I pray my nation stays long enough to assure that never happens again. In so doing, we'll be making America safer, for which I'm grateful to President Obama as I was to President Bush-both great Americans even if democrat and republican.

PREDATOR will continue flying and it's that kind of "tough love" which I know in the end will bring our two countries closer than ever...

Thanks, guys. You're swell....

 

[pakomar]

"That is your complaint right, cross border infiltration, so man up and man the border on your side and stop it, and have fun shooting down the militants as they cross."

Yes sir!

"...what exactly is the point of your all so familiar rant of 'Pakistan giving up its sovereignty by allowing the 'Taliban army' in"?"

Thanks.

Taliban is not allowed in Pakistan. The whole problem is US is only using booming tactics in Afghanistan no soldier on the ground to block these escaping Taliban. Sitting cowardly in bunkers and blaming others does not win war. How many suicide attacks happen in US non on the other Pakistan suffered the because of US so called war on terror.
Pakistan already had over 120000 soldiers at boulders on the other hand US only have 56000 soldiers total in Afghanistan. You can win war this way.

 

[S-2]

"...no soldier on the ground to block these escaping Taliban...Sitting cowardly in bunkers and blaming others does not win war."

It's clear from your comments that you're no professional soldier and possess little actual perspective on our actual combat operations.

You'll fit in well here.

 

[S-2]

"I think you mean Hekmatyar. If not, please post something. Thanks."

I wrote the above to you in an earlier post. I see now it's not the case and you've likely caught something similar to this. If so, good job. This is very, very significant IMV.

Key Insurgent Opens Doors To Negotiations- Christian Science Monitor

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I wrote the above to you in an earlier post. I see now it's not the case and you've likely caught something similar to this. If so, good job. This is very, very significant IMV.

Key Insurgent Opens Doors To Negotiations- Christian Science Monitor

You are correct that Hekmetyar is the one involved with the Saudi/GoA negotiations, and I mixed up the names. This news is a nice coincidence though, and significant as you said.


But we are somewhat off track to my original comment to you on the "Taliban Army invading FATA" after the US invasion. I am not sure whether you agreed with my arguments in my first 2 responses to you on this thread on that issue, that the expectation that the PA could have done more to stop the few taliban that did make it across the border, given its constraints and NATO inability to do the same, are misplaced.

I think the original argument got lost in the Uncle Sam sarcasm.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Kilcullen argues that the Obama administration can gradually stabilize Afghanistan using the same combination of political and military power that Petraeus used in Iraq. The right strategy is to remove the "accidental" combatants from the battlefield -- by negotiating with them, buying them off, sharing power with them or just ignoring them. At the same time, the United States must ruthlessly pursue its deadly adversaries in al-Qaeda and separate them from the Afghan population. Above all, Obama must avoid creating a backlash in neighboring Pakistan by heavy-handed U.S. military intervention there.

washingtonpost.com

Many respected analysts have made this argument, yet it seems to continue to be lost on hacks like Sanger etc., who continue to push intellectually deficient and flawed strategies - blame it on their 'anonymous sources' I guess.

There just is not any rational argument that reconciles the almost certain increased backlash and instability with any perceived benefits of a policy such as that suggested by the original NYT article.

We'll find out soon enough which way Obama's going to be leaning I suppose.

 

[Jihad]

Excellent, my beloved country is a happy shooting gallery for missiles and attacks by the U.S. army, and there's nothing my sorry a$$ government can do about it or simply is too afraid to do anything about it, god, how I feel so proud.

 

[Omar1984]

"I think you mean Hekmatyar. If not, please post something. Thanks."

I wrote the above to you in an earlier post. I see now it's not the case and you've likely caught something similar to this. If so, good job. This is very, very significant IMV.

Key Insurgent Opens Doors To Negotiations- Christian Science Monitor

Christian Science Monitor? Who on earth would trust that source? Why dont I quote articles from Islamic News?

I hope Obama is not dumb enough to fall in the trap of Christian evangelists.

 

[pakomar]

American brings people to justice and hangs people for war crimes now who will bring justice to these people about American army war crime in Pakistan Iraq and Afghanistan. Now do you allow these people to attack on Americans to bring justice for war crimes committed by US?
We all know Israel committed war crime in Gaza whole America support Israel. When people of Gaza pled for justice they are not give (same in Afghanistan and Iraq). Where is the justice of America?
American is found of killing civilians like in world war 2 by dropping atomic boom on Japan , killing civilians in Vietnam Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan to show that they are the super power and nothing can touch them if they do any thing wrong.

 

[KnightRyder]

"His justifications of America's military and otherwise presence in much of the world is highly indicative of his 19th century imperialistic mindset.

So reminiscent of the Bush's periods neo-cons."

Well, we've got a problem here. I can't be a classic imperialist and a new conservative at the same time. Methinks, Knightryder, you simply reached into your grab-bag of anti-American pejoratives and pulled those two out.

The fact that you cannot digest any criticism of your gov't's foreign policies coupled with your inability to suggest any compromises in that regard is another indication of neo-imperialism. As I stated earlier, any departure from neo-imperialist policies is seen as an act of treason in neo-cons circle and your posts quite vividly reflect that.


Also, pulling the anti-American card might work on some half-witted folks from the third world who cant even compose proper sentences...but it certainly isn't going to work here my friend..haha ...nice try

I'm sorry that you can't appreciate my perspective. I take solace in knowing that my government and I appear to see matters largely the same.

I understand you're a soldier and are morally and legally bound to protect the interests of your government, no matter how dangerous they make be to the mankind.

And it makes sense. Because they fed you, clothed you, gave you shelter, trained you for life, invested heavily in you, and programmed your mind to think in a similar fashion. Therefore it wouldn't make sense if you saw things differently, now would it?

Finally, to agree with most of you would make me an enemy of the afghani people as there are so few here in favor of NATO's mission.

Com'on...you'd be quite dillusional if you think the Afghans support NATO's mission as well. Or any peoples in the region...As hilarious as it sounds

The world simply can't afford more of Pakistan's meddling in Afghani internal affairs. I pray my nation stays long enough to assure that never happens again. In so doing, we'll be making America safer, for which I'm grateful to President Obama as I was to President Bush-both great Americans even if democrat and republican.

By 'world' you really mean America, right? This is another pristine example of neo-imperialistic thinking...you and your ilk 'love' to think that you *own* the world, when in fact ground realities indicate otherwise.

The inhabitants of the 'world' havn't given you the authority to speak on their behalf. So speak for yourself, not others.


And so long as America is safe (at the expense of the world that is), let the world burn. This is what your post illustrates it seems.

Bush might be a 'great' American to you (by great I mean he's a great Killer) but to many others he's an embodiment of crime and terror. He should have been charged with war crimes. Your open support for tyrannical figures of today is quite laughable and pathetic. I hope and pray that you realize the errors of your thinking one day...

PREDATOR will continue flying and it's that kind of "tough love" which I know in the end will bring our two countries closer than ever...

Thanks, guys. You're swell....

I'm just waiting for the full-fledged restoration of the judiciary and government that represents Pakistan's interest....I'm sure predators might continue flying but will soon become flying coffins....

cheers lad