U.S. VP: Our allies created and fund ISIS

[-SINAN-]

Turkey should continue its policies regarding Syria and Iraq. The West wants Turkey and the GCC to do the dirty job. I ask why should we do that? The Kurds want to use this conflict as an opportunity to get their Kurdistan. If I was Turkey I would remain neutral as long as the Turkish soil was not threatened and as long as nobody else did anything.

Make a coalition and then the regional countries should take part and help clean the mess but Al-Asshead must be gone first.

Lol, hasani.

I think the same. ISIS is near us. The moment Turkey strike them, they will retaliate. As there is no coalition forces on the ground. We have to deal with ISIS. I say, why should we sacrifice our own soldiers and citizens. If US wants to destroy ISIS, they should deploy their troops and begin fighting them.

As Turkey we said 3 things to Syrian Kurds.

1-) Don't decleare self-autonomy. Stay loyal to Syria's unity.
2-) Cut off your ties with PKK terror organization.
3-) Place your position against Assad, don't deal with regime.

They ignored us... today they are paying the price for it...

 

[al-Hasani]

Turkey has done a very admirable job of hosting so many refugees and yet we only hear slander here from the terror regime supporters.

This is their Syria.









Look at the "terrorist" children and Syrians:



Turkey stands on the right place and on the right side of history. The obvious trolling and hate speech should be ignored. In their eyes every person, child, woman included, is ISIS or an ISIS supporter if he opposes a mass-murderer and war criminal like Al-Asshead.

 

[al-Hasani]

Lol, hasani.

I think the same. ISIS is near us. The moment Turkey strike them, they will retaliate. As there is no coalition forces on the ground. We have to deal with ISIS. I say, why should we sacrifice our own soldiers and citizens. If US wants to destroy ISIS, they should deploy their troops and begin fighting them.

As Turkey we said 3 things to Syrian Kurds.

1-) Don't decleare self-autonomy. Stay loyal to Syria's unity.
2-) Cut off your ties with PKK terror organization.
3-) Place your position against Assad, don't deal with regime.

They ignored us... today they are paying the price for it...

When the Arab League and the GCC warned against growing extremism because of the power vacuum that was created due to the barbaric actions of the Al-Asshead terror regime the international community and the US were telling us that it was just a question of time before Al-Asshead would be removed. Back then there was talk of arming the FSA much more heavily or creating a no fly zone in Syria. Remember all those "red lines" that were supposed not to be crossed? Well almost all of them were crossed yet no action. I am afraid to say it and I think that @usernameless mentioned it once but it indeed looks like the West and Israel have some plans for the region that involves most of the regions countries in a negative way. Kurdistan and Israel being the benefactors of this IMO.

The reason why the GCC urged for an JOINT attack on Syria as soon as possible was to avoid this situation we see today. Because from experience we know (in Iraq, Yemen and elsewhere) that people only get more radical the longer a tyrant like Al-Asshead is staying in power.

I have no doubt that Al-Asshead wanted this situation to happen. That tyrant had no problem in literary mass-murdering his own population just to stay in power and now people are trying to act like he would never have agreed to the current situation. If there was no ISIS every sane individual would have called for his exit non-stop. Now there is ISIS that he can use as an excuse to keep him going a bit longer.

Now what is next for the coalition? Obviously it's been almost 4 years and no attacks on Al-Asshead. The aerial bombardments aimed at ISIS do not seem to work YET and will probably never remove ISIS fully. Instead had the international community acted 2 years ago this would not have ended as bad as it did. No way.

The removal of ISIS and Al-Asshead are intertwined. You cannot remove one without removing the other cancer too. Yet some people think that removing ISIS is enough and then everything will be all right in Syria. Fools, I say.

 

[manlion]

Well, he ate his own words. He slandered Turkey and he took back his words.

Is an apology a consolation to the beguiled President ? It will be mistake if he misreads the apology as a victory. It is merely diplomatic goodwill gesture to a NATO ally, underneath an irreparable damage !

Erdogan

"Foreign fighters have never entered Syria from our country. They may come to our country as tourists and cross into Syria, but no one can say that they cross in with their arms,"

He's playing with words, leaves border open for foreign fighters to enter Syria, whom he says are "tourists" and this is what Biden apologises for ?

Erdogan with Hekmatyar, a co-founder of Al-Qaeda, no need for further explanation

Again with the blurry video, that we don't know where it has been shot, not a single evidence in the video again. Continue to post crap...

Kurdish agencies shot a picture of train and said Turkey shipped dozens of Tanks to ISIS....you are no better than them.

Under cover camera don't expect HD standards

 

[usernameless]

Behold, surely if a westerner says a thing, it's 100% true...
Biden and his American gang are number 1 terrorist supporters and the bringer of chaos and destruction, they do whatever shit they desire, they fabricate lies to invade other countries, they fabricate BS news without proof of OBL being killed and dumped in the ocean, yet they dare to associate countries with IS (without proof again) just so that he and his other western friends will have a good image themselves, while i suspect this whole FSA was just a temporary project of the mastermind (US and maybe others like UK and Israel too?) to give space for IS, which actually serves Western and Israeli interest by weakening Syria and Iraq, thus giving space to Kurds, weaker Iranian influence when Assad falls in Syria and shia block weakens in Iraq. I am personally astonished how the so called champions of Islam are not shy to slaughter tons of muslims, but doesnt do a single damn thing against Israel, which is often hated by such IS types, that's what i expected anyway. Western countries should limit the number of nutjobs flying to the ME before accusing Turkey, which obviously is not gonna track every single tourist all the time. The western media plays a dirty game, they release few statements like that in order to shape public opinion and there is not much you can do as your voice doesnt reach as much as the western media does. There is much to say about how the west plays this game in a dirty way, but i hope Turkey and the Arab countries countries stay out of it as much as possible. US and western powers are just trying to plunge us all in this mess with false promises and then they will conveniently retreat and ditch us in the mess.

 

[Desertfalcon]

@Desertfalcon

What is your opinion about the US and their conduct in the ME in the past few years? I understand that the ordinary tax payer is tired of the Bush era and thus wants to leave the ME for the locals to deal with their problems. That's a fair point that I fully understand.
Yet at the same time the US continues to be heavily interested in the ME politically, economically and militarily despite worrying more about the upcoming showdown with the Chinese in the Pacific.

Now the US is again engaged in events taking place in Iraq and Syria. Now the question I have for you is this one below;

Would it not have made more sense to have dealt with Al-Asshead earlier and thus prevented the vacuum that have created ISIS and similar groups and thus the spillover to Iraq? In my view it's hard to argue against such a claim I just wonder why it took so long? I mean was it the fear of Iraq also going down the drain? Because Syria has been in that situation 3 years in a row without the US or the international community doing anything.

Mind you I am just as perplexed by the silence of the Muslim world as the silence of the US. I think that we are part of a huge game that can change every month with the regional players being played out against each other. At the expense of the ordinary Syrian and Iraqi.

Now bombing ISIS is all good and fine but is it not a bit too late? It does not seem to have the desired effect on the ground either. ISIS are still advancing.

To me it seems like one big major screwup by all parties involved. Pardon my language.

I cannot speak for the American people but I can for myself and I think that American policy in the ME has been tragically misguided since our ill-advised invasion of Iraq in 2003. Saddam Hussein may have been a pathological S.O.B., but the situation in Iraq has only become worse since our toppling of him. Iraq has far worse human rights abuses, deaths, torture, lawlessness than it did under Saddam. We Americans only succeeded in unleashing centuries of sectarian and religious strife that the Baath Party had kept a lid on. America certainly is culpable in the eventual creation of ISIS/IS, but of course, in the end, it *is* the Iraqi people and the government *they* elected, that must take charge of the situation. That is not meant as an excuse for my country's actions, just a statement of the reality on the ground there.

We then compounded that problem by our fundamentally misreading the so called, "Arab Spring". In country after country, we averted our eyes to it's true nature, (and by that I mean the takeover, in country after country, of that movement by Islamic extremists.), until it was too late. It did not hit home, (including with me. ), until Egypt. Maybe it was time for Mubarak to go due to his age, but he was a stalwart ally of America and deserved a better fate. I breathed, (and you can bet that President Obama did as well!), a huge sigh of relief when the Egyptian armed forces removed the Muslim Brotherhood from power and Gen. al-Sisi took over. In Libya, while I had no good feelings for Gaddafi, (I cannot forget his mass murder of Americans in PanAm 103.), we again, misread events and tragically, even our own ambassador was killed as a result of that. In Syria, we Americans were not responsible for the uprisings there, as their genesis was the result of Bashar al-Assad's attempts at liberalizing the Syrian political system. His father was a much more shrewd leader than that and understood how dangerous that would be. That being said, while I understand that some Sunnis may resent the Assad family’s dominance in Syria, for me, Assad is most definitely preferable to the FSA. Assad's Baath government, (while Alawis may be closest to Bashar), is still far more secular and multi religious, than what would follow his departure.

As a disclaimer; I have evolved in my thinking about some of these cases as like many Americans, (mea culpa, mea culpa!). I was once hopeful that western-style democracy would one day take hold in the Middle East, but that is going to only happen when the people of that region establish it for themselves, and not have it forced on them. America needs to back up our historic allies in the region, mend relations with countries that we have often been at odds with, (Like Syria, Lybia, etc. ), and listen more and talk and do less. I am absolutely opposed to any insertion of major American ground forces in the region, and in any action, we need to work through organizations like the Arab League and the Cooperation Council for the Arab Gulf States.

 

[Hussein]

May Americans who take decisions think different than you then.
People deserve freedom, whatever your strange and too simple view on facts.
It was never the story of the revolutions is the revolution of extremists but when there is a revolution it means there are opportunists, either inside groups or outside countries (like we can see in Syria).

And giving the decision for the ME to the Gulf states .. what stupid comment.
All the countries should be involved to discuss and stop fighting. None should be excluded.

You like Saddam that's your opinion. Mayb i remind you this guy didn't kill shias for being extremists or kurds
he used gas against villages to massively kill people . may you think this kind of guy is ok.

And Gadafi? Mubarak? ok support dictators if you enjoy it.

The removal of ISIS and Al-Asshead are intertwined. You cannot remove one without removing the other cancer too. Yet some people think that removing ISIS is enough and then everything will be all right in Syria. Fools, I say.

Asad is not an answer for the future of the country
but sadly this country have been so much destroyed and the groups there so much untrustable .. i wonder for Syrians

 

[-SINAN-]

Is an apology a consolation to the beguiled President ? It will be mistake if he misreads the apology as a victory. It is merely diplomatic goodwill gesture to a NATO ally, underneath an irreparable damage !

I can't understand you.... this is not about a victory, this is about correction. Biden lied than he apologizes. That's it. Why do you persistently try to give it different meanings ?

Erdogan
"Foreign fighters have never entered Syria from our country. They may come to our country as tourists and cross into Syria, but no one can say that they cross in with their arms,"
He's playing with words, leaves border open for foreign fighters to enter Syria, whom he says are "tourists" and this is what Biden apologises for ?

Yeah, borders are not closed. So, i guy from france can travel to Turkey than to Syria... So, why is it being Turkey's fault but not France's. If these guys are known terrorists why don't France lets them to leave their country or why not noticify Turkish authorities.

I'm really bored of saying these things to different people over and over again. Use your brains.

nder cover camera don't expect HD standards

What under cover camera..... uner cover camera my @ss.

This is shot while Turkish troops delivering troops and ammo to "Suleiman Shah Tomb" in Syria (Turkish land)...

I'm done with refuting you guys false claims....are you gonna post every unrelated video and accuse Turkey..... I have better things to do.

 

[Hussein]

Yeah, borders are not closed. So, i guy from france can travel to Turkey than to Syria... So, why is it being Turkey's fault but not France's. If these guys are known terrorists why don't France lets them to leave their country or why not noticify Turkish authorities.

1/ these people are not known as being terrorists here
2/ France cannot check the border between Turkey and Syria:
the guys said they go Tunisia or Turkey . France cannot know they are not going somewhere else .
3/ you knew IS was in borders with your country. and you knew groups inside Turkey was taking the foreigners to make them cross the border. all in Turkey. so of course having its responsability.
Now you improve it . Still you have a part of responsability in all what happened by IS and all innocent killed
you like it or not

 

[-SINAN-]

3/ you knew IS was in borders with your country. and you knew groups inside Turkey was taking the foreigners to make them cross the border. all in Turkey. so of course having its responsability.

1-) Border between, Syria and Turkey is not closed. If we close the border many Syrians will suffer other than that.

2-) People also illegally cross the border with smugglers. If it was easy to stop the border crossings there would be no heroin,cocain in US.

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Your country is a known terror state acknowledged by many countries whereas you can only open silly pages in social sites about Turkey being a terror state.

 

[Desertfalcon]

May Americans who take decisions think different than you then.

I have no doubt of that.

People deserve freedom,

I have no doubt of that either. What I have doubt of, is that the so called "Arab Spring" is securing that for the vast majority of countries it has been a force in. What is evident in what it has produced, is insurrection, sectarian violence, mass murder and torture, and continual instability.

And giving the decision for the ME to the Gulf states .. what stupid comment.

Yes, which is why it's a good thing that I never said any such thing. What I did say was that America should work with such regional organizations in our efforts there.

You like Saddam that's your opinion.

Not only did I NOT say I "liked him", I refereed to him as a, "pathological S.O.B.". Did you even bother to actually read my post?

And Gadafi? Mubarak? ok support dictators if you enjoy it.

My views on that topic have been influenced by the first time I was led down this path back when I was a teenager. I remember all the liberals and leftists in my country talking about how America needed to abandon the Shah of Iran. About how evil and awful he was and how we needed to support the Iranian people in the street who were only fighting for freedom and democracy and oh, how good and free Iran will be once the dreaded Shah was gone for good! What could possibly go wrong with that idea? And so our idiot president at the time, Mr. Carter, cut the legs out from under our good ally, the Shah, and Iran quickly plunged into an orgy of extremist tyranny, mass murder, torture, and violence that has lasted from that time until present day. Iran has now become a pariah in the world community and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet. By any decent standard of measurement, Iran was far, far, better off under the Shah, then under it's present government.

Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Hussein]

My views on that topic have been influenced by the first time I was led down this path back when I was a teenager. I remember all the liberals and leftists in my country talking about how America needed to abandon the Shah of Iran. About how evil and awful he was and how we needed to support the Iranian people in the street who were only fighting for freedom and democracy and oh, how good and free Iran will be once the dreaded Shah was gone for good! What could possibly go wrong with that idea? And so our idiot president at the time, Mr. Carter, cut the legs out from under our good ally, the Shah, and Iran quickly plunged into an orgy of extremist tyranny, mass murder, torture, and violence that has lasted from that time until present day. Iran has now become a pariah in the world community and has one of the worst human rights records on the planet. By any decent standard of measurement, Iran was far, far, better off under the Shah, then under it's present government.

Human rights in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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i get your opinion.
revolution was something complex.
if you want to read the shah side read Nahavandi's book about revolution: how shah was unable to give democracy to a country which asked it since beginning of last century.
in france as well the leftists asked to support Khomeiny.
A lot of people have trusted Khomeiny. he was talented for speech. war created damage to the country: either killing people or destroying hope of democracy.
so yes now Iran became worst than shah's time .
without any doubt .

i was teenager too and my father doing revolution ... i can remember . and i can hear now in the family people saying
that at least shah would not have persecuted the people during the green wave like Khamenei did, asking to punish the people in the streets.

that's what i am thinking about my friend, our people are deserving democracy
but if something happens like revolution , everything can happen. foreign countries or inside groups can easily manipulate the revolution and destroy the hopes of people.
so mostly now people hope for changes. but i don't think lot of people have so much of illusions with a crazy sick minded Khamenei, the Larijani s , the stupid IRGC leaders and the ultras managing to make the country a hell in case
Ahmadinejad thinks now he can come back . LOL. all is possible with fake elections anyway.

 

[xenon54 out]

@Horus @Chak Bamu @Jungibaaz for gods sake do something against those Iranian trolls, they ruin every thread regarding Turkey, how would you like it if Turks start flooding the forum with offtopic troll posts like Iranians do?

 

[Chak Bamu]

OK folks please do not spread hatred and obfuscation. Discuss, agree, or disagree - whatever you do, it is possible to do so in a civil manner.

BTW, I find it interesting that Shah of Iran is being remembered as some sort of a rational & benevolent person. How people forget so easily? His atrocities are only recent history.

I must say that the current Iranian political system has promoted sectarianism in the region and this has hurt not only countries in Iran's neighborhood, but also Iran itself. Shah would not have used sectarianism, but he was a megalomaniac nonetheless. He despised Arabs and thought of turning Iran into a regional hegemonic power. His staying in power would have presented a different set of problems.

If one must think about alternative history, it is far better to think about what it might have been like if CIA had not engineered the removal of Mossadeq from Prime-Ministership in Iran. This was the key event that bred anti-Americanism in Iran.

 

[Chak Bamu]

@Sinan since you thanked my post, you may wish to read it again. I made another post and it got collated with the earlier one. You may not agree with the new addition.