U.S. VP: Our allies created and fund ISIS

[al-Hasani]

Since you were going for the "boo hoo! those people are oppressed!!!" way, I'd assume you'd care about the Arabs in Bahrain being jailed, tortured and killed.




Well you can't pinpoint the blame on the US for not acting.



No, you only see a tyrannical and corrupt regime which will do anything to crush dissent. Totally not comparable to Assad's tyrannical and corrupt regime which will do anything to crush dissent.

LOL, you don't get the stupidity of your comparison I see. Can't help you with that.

Let me repeat myself once again since it seems that you do not understand English:

Also I already have clearly stated (100 times) that if the Bahraini regime acted just like Al-Asshead has acted for 4 years now I would want them gone too. An Arab is an brother to me. Whether Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jew or atheist. I don't care about that.

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Are we clear now?

Why not? Give me 1 single reason. You make no sense. At one point you talk about US involvement and then you are suddenly against them acting at all? Forgetting in the process that they HAVE actually acted. The problem is that it comes WAY too soon. Obviously this is something deliberate. Why? To keep Israel safe and to make as much unrest in the nearby Arab world as possible. They fear a powerful Arab world.

Yes, let's compare an entire country largely destroyed by a mass-murderering dictator intend on keeping his throne with Egypt.

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[Hiptullha]

Obviously this is something deliberate. Why? To keep Israel safe and to make as much unrest in the nearby Arab world as possible. They fear a powerful Arab world.

Really? They've focused greater attention on causing chaos and unrest in Iran. They've found several allies in the Arab world.

Yes, let's compare an entire country largely destroyed by a mass-murderering dictator intend on keeping his throne with Egypt.

Sisi shares the same mindset as Assad. We've seen what he's done with the Muslim Brotherhood. If there comes a point in time when he faces the same opposition as Assad did, I'm pretty sure things will go the same way.

Are we clear now?

The response of the Bahrain government is just as same as what Assad did. But unlike what happened to Assad, millions of dollars in weapons and aid weren't being given to the rebels.

 

[al-Hasani]

Really? They've focused greater attention on causing chaos and unrest in Iran. They've found several allies in the Arab world.



Sisi shares the same mindset as Assad. We've seen what he's done with the Muslim Brotherhood. If there comes a point in time when he faces the same opposition as Assad did, I'm pretty sure things will go the same way.



The response of the Bahrain government is just as same as what Assad did. But unlike what happened to Assad, millions of dollars in weapons and aid weren't being given to the rebels.

Which chaos? Did they ever attack Iran? No. They attacked Iraq though. An Arab country. Iran is nothing compared to the Arab world anyway on any front. There are almost 25 Arab countries. Just 1 Arab country, Egypt has a bigger population than Iran. Hence why their focus has always been on the Arab world. Israel, their main ally, is surrounded by Arab states. They want them as weak as possible not to cause a potential threat.

Let me ask you again; Do you understand the difference between 200.000 + casualties and an entire country largely destroyed thanks to the ruler with Egypt? Who said that Al-Sisi is an angel? Compared to Al-Asshead he is though.

Are you crazy? 10 people or so have died in Bahrain. Obviously you have difficulties with numbers or you are just intend on trolling. Whatever it is then you are wasting my time. You can do better.

 

[Hiptullha]

Which chaos? Did they ever attack Iran? No.

They've successfully been assassinating Iranian scientists and destabilizing countries which have cordial relations with Iran.

Let me ask you again; Do you understand the difference between 200.000 + casualties and an entire country largely destroyed thanks to the ruler with Egypt? Who said that Al-Sisi is an angel? Compared to Al-Asshead he is though.

Do you expect low casualties when an isolated regime is confronted by foreign-supported rebels who had been murdering and torturing since 2012?

Are you crazy? 10 people or so have died in Bahrain. Obviously you have difficulties with numbers or you are just intend on trolling. Whatever it is then you are fasting my time. You can do better.

90 people killed with a few thousand tortured and jailed. Most media still tried to downplay it and succeeded. Bahrain protesters were unfortunately not as popular as the ones who were protesting against the regimes the Saudis and Israelis did not like.

 

[al-Hasani]

They've successfully been assassinating Iranian scientists and destabilizing countries which have cordial relations with Iran.



Do you expect low casualties when an isolated regime is confronted by foreign-supported rebels who had been murdering and torturing since 2012?



90 people killed with a few thousand tortured and jailed. Most media still tried to downplay it and succeeded. Bahrain protesters were unfortunately not as popular as the ones who were protesting against the regimes the Saudis and Israelis did not like.

Who are they? That's Israel. Apparently. For 35 years they have not touched Iran directly despite being able to annihilate Iran in a few minutes if they really wanted. Yet there is no limit to their involvement in Arab affairs. From Tunisia to Yemen and God knows what.

Haha, you are starting to sound like a complete ignorant joke. You obviously have no clue about who is behind 80% of all the civilian deaths it not more in Syria. That's the Al-Asshead terror regime that you seem to be supporting now yet lecturing me about Al-Sisi whom I do not even support in the first place and who is an ANGEL compared to the Al-Asshead that you adore.

You are good, are you not? The Bahraini regime has been FAR to lenient with the protesters. Had Al-Asshead ruled Bahrain there would be no Shia's today.

 

[Syrian Lion]

I find it amazing that even when the west itself admits that their puppets supported terrorists in Syria, they want to tie I$I$ with Alasad....

When your allies call you terrorists there is nothing left to discuss...

 

[manlion]

First of all are you not a Thai? Why does this conflict concern you? Or are you part of the anti-Islam brigade here on PDF?

Terrorism is an universal concern

Yes, sure. You did not get it did you? The Al-Asshead terror regime that you seem to support and turn a blind eye to was mass-murdering their citizens and destroying whole cities, towns and villages and the US looked silently when that happened despite them easily being able to topple the Al-Asshead terror regime in a matter of months at most. The whole world looked silently back in fact. This was BEFORE the rise of ISIS.

you should be blaming the international jihadists and its foreign govt backers for the mess in Syria , As president , Assad has the right to protect his country's sovereignty against foreign invasion, even if involves destruction of 'whole cities, towns , villages'. A reality that you need to live with

No, the US got involved because Iraq and Kurdistan was about to get overrun. That's why. It has nothing to do with 3-4 beheadings of Westerners.

My comment was in context to Syria not Iraq. US involvement in Syria was after the beheading of James Foley, which was a retaliation for US bombing IS positions in Iraq - Mosul dam . US commenced air strikes on IS in Iraq after IS threaten to strike Yezidis refugees in Sinjar/Shengal mountain and Americans in Kurdistan - Erbil

Obama before the airstrikes in Iraq

"When many thousands of innocent civilians are in danger of being wiped out, and we have the capacity to help, we will take action,"

What have ISIS to do with the fact that we as Arabs will not look silently when our brothers and sisters are killed? Where does Israel come from? Last time I checked the Al-Asshead terror regime is the only regime outside of Palestine whose land Israel controls. Google the Golan Heights and come back to me. The fanboy of the Al-Asshead terror regime here escaped as usual when I started to talk about that giant embarrassment in this thread earlier.

Assad brought peace , prosperity and stability to Syria , which irked the 'we Arabs' and Zionists

Even if 10 new ISIS organizations emerge it would not remove the crimes of the Al-Asshead terror regime. Nor tomorrow nor ever.

the moderate and not so moderate Jihadists are stealing the lime light away from Assad ..

 

[Hiptullha]

Who are they? That's Israel. Apparently. For 35 years they have not touched Iran directly despite being able to annihilate Iran in a few minutes if they really wanted. Yet there is no limit to their involvement in Arab affairs. From Tunisia to Yemen and God knows what.

Since 1979 they've been sanctioned by the Americans!

Haha, you are starting to sound like a complete ignorant joke. You obviously have no clue about who is behind 80% of all the civilian deaths it not more in Syria. That's the Al-Asshead terror regime that you seem to be supporting now yet lecturing me about Al-Sisi whom I do not even support in the first place and who is an ANGEL compared to the Al-Asshead that you adore.

I don't support Assad, neither do I support the murderers and animals you seem to call freedom fighters.
Sisi is no angel. We'll never see his wild side because there'll be no mass-organized rebellion against him funded by foreign hands.

You are good, are you not? The Bahraini regime has been FAR to lenient with the protesters. Had Al-Asshead ruled Bahrain there would be no Shia's today.

Haha, that's bullshit.
Leniency would be the equivalent of giving the people the right to express themselves without slamming them into jails and torturing them. Yes, you're right about the Assad bit. After the Saudis coming in with their proxies and their "muh Arab brethren" excuse, there would be no Shias in Bahrain at all.

 

[al-Hasani]

Since 1979 they've been sanctioned by the Americans!



I don't support Assad, neither do I support the murderers and animals you seem to call freedom fighters.
Sisi is no angel. We'll never see his wild side because there'll be no mass-organized rebellion against him funded by foreign hands.



Haha, that's bullshit.
Leniency would be the equivalent of giving the people the right to express themselves without slamming them into jails and torturing them. Yes, you're right about the Assad bit. After the Saudis coming in with their proxies and their "muh Arab brethren" excuse, there would be no Shias in Bahrain at all.

Those sanctions are absolutely nothing compared to the sanctions Iraq for instance went through in the 1990's and early 2000's let alone what the Palestinians are enduring.

Oh, so ordinary Syrians who chose to raise up against the killers of their brother's, sister's, father's, mother's, uncles etc. are now "animals". Nice logic. You obviously are unable to distinguish between a few thousand Daesh members and the millions of Syrians who form the Syrian opposition. Mostly silently as they have no means to make armed resistance.

You sure about that? We already see terrorist attacks in Egypt. Somebody must sponsor those attacks.

What is bullshit? The Bahraini regime lets its people protest peacefully (compared to Syria) where they are carpet bombed. Nobody can deny that. The evidence on the ground supports this.

 

[Desertfalcon]

Can you please tell us why would a person like Joe Biden, the VP of US, and one of Turkey's biggest allies, tell something like this? Why would he tell a lie like this about their allies?

Because he's an idiot. Did you not know that?

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[al-Hasani]

@Desertfalcon

What is your opinion about the US and their conduct in the ME in the past few years? I understand that the ordinary tax payer is tired of the Bush era and thus wants to leave the ME for the locals to deal with their problems. That's a fair point that I fully understand.
Yet at the same time the US continues to be heavily interested in the ME politically, economically and militarily despite worrying more about the upcoming showdown with the Chinese in the Pacific.

Now the US is again engaged in events taking place in Iraq and Syria. Now the question I have for you is this one below;

Would it not have made more sense to have dealt with Al-Asshead earlier and thus prevented the vacuum that have created ISIS and similar groups and thus the spillover to Iraq? In my view it's hard to argue against such a claim I just wonder why it took so long? I mean was it the fear of Iraq also going down the drain? Because Syria has been in that situation 3 years in a row without the US or the international community doing anything.

Mind you I am just as perplexed by the silence of the Muslim world as the silence of the US. I think that we are part of a huge game that can change every month with the regional players being played out against each other. At the expense of the ordinary Syrian and Iraqi.

Now bombing ISIS is all good and fine but is it not a bit too late? It does not seem to have the desired effect on the ground either. ISIS are still advancing.

To me it seems like one big major screwup by all parties involved. Pardon my language.

 

[al-Hasani]

Terrorism is an universal concern



you should be blaming the international jihadists and its foreign govt backers for the mess in Syria , As president , Assad has the right to protect his country's sovereignty against foreign invasion, even if involves destruction of 'whole cities, towns , villages'. A reality that you need to live with



My comment was in context to Syria not Iraq. US involvement in Syria was after the beheading of James Foley, which was a retaliation for US bombing IS positions in Iraq - Mosul dam . US commenced air strikes on IS in Iraq after IS threaten to strike Yezidis refugees in Sinjar/Shengal mountain and Americans in Kurdistan - Erbil

Obama before the airstrikes in Iraq



Assad brought peace , prosperity and stability to Syria , which irked the 'we Arabs' and Zionists



the moderate and not so moderate Jihadists are stealing the lime light away from Assad ..

Yes it is. So is state terrorism and genocides conducted by war criminals. Or what's with the hypocrisy and double standards among the terror regime supporters here? Also last time I checked then nobody here endorses ISIS. I have always considered them the same coin as the Al-Asshead terror regime.

No, I don't think that any "president" (read unelected dictator) or ruler has any right to massacre his or her own people. Civilians especially or petty protestors. ISIS and other such groups emerged long after the Syrian uprising began. This is obvious for all.

All of that were consequences of the main problem. Iraq and Kurdistan falling apart.

Peace? Are you kidding me? Syria was occupying Lebanon not long ago. Syria took part in the murder of Rafiq Hariri. Syria was sponsoring all resistance groups that were against the US in Iraq. Israel occupying the Golan Heights. Syria being sanctioned and largely isolated. Peace and stability. Really?

That was his plan all along as I wrote. To enable ISIS to grow and then present the world with a choice to pick him or ISIS. All with the aim of extending his rule. Of course he did not care about how much Syrian blood was going to be split in order to achieve that. Even the Syrian army complained of the same and still do. That their blood is cheap and worthless.

 

[LfcRed]

Since 1979 they've been sanctioned by the Americans!
Leniency would be the equivalent of giving the people the right to express themselves without slamming them into jails and torturing them. Yes, you're right about the Assad bit. After the Saudis coming in with their proxies and their "muh Arab brethren" excuse, there would be no Shias in Bahrain at all.

I am afraid brother but your are seriously misinformed about Bahrain and its so called revolution. Either you are relying too much on media or you might be biased due to some reason unknown to me. Bahrain is a heaven for these so called revolutionaries. You cannot compare it to any of the countries mentioned in this thread who have been under scrutiny due to unrests and civil wars. Not even close!

The Bahraini government has shown that rule of law prevails and there cannot be any Bahraini or foreigner either sunni or shia getting away with playing with the country or its law. And there have been incidents proving it when some government personnel and police men have been jailed for misusing their authority.

As for the shia protesters whether they admit it or not are driven by sectarian superiority and backed by the Irani government. They pretend and claim that it is a Bahraini thing and their rights are not been provided to them or being taken away. But it is not. When you realize the ground realities you will know what exactly they are looking for trying to create leverage for themselves and acting like victims. If they compare it to Syria and Palestine then God forbid I hope they dont get to see what is done to them by their governments.

As for the government killing and torturing the shia population in Bahrain. I agree to an extent that it happened at some level at the time of protests and shortly after that but since then the government have taken a very good control of things and still doing a good job at it. Another point to note is that there are more policemen killed and injured since this cancer emerged and those killed are mostly Bahraini policemen from Pakistani origin. The protesters hate Pakistani people and label them as mercenaries. Not only the ones working for the government but they even attacked and killed civilians with pleasure. One of them being a moazen of a Masjid and they cut off his tongue and beat him to death and left him to die. He survived physically and not mentally and is still in the hospital. And there is no Saudi military involved in these issues in Bahrain. They have been asked for help to only protect some important sites and there participation has been very limited. As for Emarati police were asked for help and still contribute as advicers in the police and thats it.

There is much much more to it and I am not sure what your news source is but you definitely should speak to someone living in Bahrain and there are many of our Pakistani brothers living here. I will advice you to speak to them before making your mind and arguing to the extent of belief.

 

[-SINAN-]

before 2012, America's foreign policy in Syria was shaped by Turkey , KSA and Jordan, Biden "working hand in glove with Turks, Jordanians, Saudis .."

Biden’s debate with Paul Ryan in Oct 2012 and speech in Oct 2014 (that got Erdogan so upset)

The U turn in Oct 2014, indicates a possible shift in US foreign policy in Syria and frustration with its 'allies', the apology means nothing as it was a demand from Erdogan , the damage has been done

Well, he ate his own words. He slandered Turkey and he took back his words.

Erdogan’s claim that no one cross into Syria with their arms , is a LIE, video evidence showing Turkish border guards allowing weapons to cross into Syria and please tell Erdogan that no tourist sneaks into war torn Syria from Turkey

Again with the blurry video, that we don't know where it has been shot, not a single evidence in the video again. Continue to post crap...

Kurdish agencies shot a picture of train and said Turkey shipped dozens of Tanks to ISIS....you are no better than them.

 

[al-Hasani]

Well, he ate his own words. He slandered Turkey and he took back his words.




Again with the blurry video, that we don't know where it has been shot, not a single evidence in the video again. Continue to post crap...

Kurdish agencies shot a picture of train and said Turkey shipped dozens of Tanks to ISIS....you are no better than them.

Turkey should continue its policies regarding Syria and Iraq. The West wants Turkey and the GCC to do the dirty job. I ask why should we do that? The Kurds want to use this conflict as an opportunity to get their Kurdistan. If I was Turkey I would remain neutral as long as the Turkish soil was not threatened and as long as nobody else did anything.

Make a coalition and then the regional countries should take part and help clean the mess but Al-Asshead must be gone first.

I am afraid brother but your are seriously misinformed about Bahrain and its so called revolution. Either you are relying too much on media or you might be biased due to some reason unknown to me. Bahrain is a heaven for these so called revolutionaries. You cannot compare it to any of the countries mentioned in this thread who have been under scrutiny due to unrests and civil wars. Not even close!

The Bahraini government has shown that rule of law prevails and there cannot be any Bahraini or foreigner either sunni or shia getting away with playing with the country or its law. And there have been incidents proving it when some government personnel and police men have been jailed for misusing their authority.

As for the shia protesters whether they admit it or not are driven by sectarian superiority and backed by the Irani government. They pretend and claim that it is a Bahraini thing and their rights are not been provided to them or being taken away. But it is not. When you realize the ground realities you will know what exactly they are looking for trying to create leverage for themselves and acting like victims. If they compare it to Syria and Palestine then God forbid I hope they dont get to see what is done to them by their governments.

As for the government killing and torturing the shia population in Bahrain. I agree to an extent that it happened at some level at the time of protests and shortly after that but since then the government have taken a very good control of things and still doing a good job at it. Another point to note is that there are more policemen killed and injured since this cancer emerged and those killed are mostly Bahraini policemen from Pakistani origin. The protesters hate Pakistani people and label them as mercenaries. Not only the ones working for the government but they even attacked and killed civilians with pleasure. One of them being a moazen of a Masjid and they cut off his tongue and beat him to death and left him to die. He survived physically and not mentally and is still in the hospital. And there is no Saudi military involved in these issues in Bahrain. They have been asked for help to only protect some important sites and there participation has been very limited. As for Emarati police were asked for help and still contribute as advicers in the police and thats it.

There is much much more to it and I am not sure what your news source is but you definitely should speak to someone living in Bahrain and there are many of our Pakistani brothers living here. I will advice you to speak to them before making your mind and arguing to the extent of belief.

Obviously only ignorants and trolls are comparing Bahrain with Syria. Bahrain is a paradise in comparison.