U.S. VP: Our allies created and fund ISIS

[-SINAN-]

Alright, once a liar is always a liar... I will accept that... that means everything US says is a lie... good...

but again it is not my fantasy, we all know that the west want to use Turkey... remember how Kerry visited Turkey to use it for their attack on their terrorists? and erDOGan refused, and recently he accepted.. just put the pieces together... it is not hard

Erdoğan accepted nothing, without a buffer zone, he will grant us nothing.

 

[mike2000]

His allegations are without evidence while US support for rebells is officially, ironic isnt it?

http://online.wsj.com/articles/obama-proposes-500-million-to-aid-syrian-rebels-1403813486

Bro you are still trying to deny that Turkey supported ISIS and other syrian islamists/extremists groups?....Jeez everybody knows theey did. Yes as i have said before we too supported them to be honest, but it seems only the Turks ar still denying they ever supported them. Just take responsibilities and accept your government made a mistake, theres no crime in that. afterall, we all learn from mistakes. else we will keep repeating them.

 

[al-Hasani]

you are a child...

have fun then with your sweet dreams, and keep on winning

I don't want to get banned, but there is a saying regarding you people and it applies 100%...

A child in his twenties? I am probably older than you are and much more experienced. As always you run away from our discussions because you are unable to debate with me as everyone just in this debate is a witness of.

Oh so, write it here. Probably a saying that your lovely Nusayri mass child-murderer invented. You are as pathetic as your terror regime and now failed state. "Arab nationalist" my ***. You are a disgrace.

 

[Syrian Lion]

Bro you are still trying to deny that Turkey supported ISIS and other syrian islamists/extremists groups?....Jeez everybody knows theey did. Yes as i have said before we too supported them to be honest, but it seems only the Turks ar still denying they ever supported them. Just take responsibilities and accept your government made a mistake, theres no crime in that. afterall, we all learn from mistakes. else we will keep repeating them.

so the west learned from Afghanistan mistake when they supported Bin Laden?? yeah right...

A child in his twenties? I am probably older than you are. As always you run away from our discussions because you are unable to debate with me as everyone just in this debate is a witness of.

Oh so, write it here. Probably a saying that your lovely mass child-murderer just wrote. You are as pathetic as your terror regime and now failed state. "Arab nationalist" my ***. You are a disgrace.

At least our allies don't accuse us of terrorism...

you are in 20's so what? that doesn't mean crap...

 

[-SINAN-]

A child in his twenties? I am probably older than you are and much more experienced. As always you run away from our discussions because you are unable to debate with me as everyone just in this debate is a witness of.

Oh so, write it here. Probably a saying that your lovely Nusayri mass child-murderer invented. You are as pathetic as your terror regime and now failed state. "Arab nationalist" my ***. You are a disgrace.

@al-Hasani welcome back.

I think you had been banned for a month. I find this ban decision very unjust as many Iranian users are allowed to run wild with their foamed mouths in PDF.

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani welcome back.

I think you had been banned for a month. I find this ban decision very unjust as many Iranian users are allowed to run wild with their foamed mouths in PDF.

Thanks. Actually my ban was due to a discussion with our resident Algerian Berber due to his trolling. Strangely we Arabs here never have a problem with the other Algerian members here who are Algerian Arabs. Miraculously he escaped a ban as usual while none of us were any better or worse than the other. I am not even going to comment on the dozens of farsi double users and suicide trolls. As long as they keep out of Arab topics I don't care. The moderation team are obviously turning a blind eye to all that including the farsi moderator here. Anyway I was extremely busy and I will be that until January so I will try to limit my presence here on PDF or just stick to the Arab section or emerge when any major news in the region emerges.

 

[manlion]

Biden Apologizes to Turkish President Over Remarks

before 2012, America's foreign policy in Syria was shaped by Turkey , KSA and Jordan, Biden "working hand in glove with Turks, Jordanians, Saudis .."

Biden’s debate with Paul Ryan in Oct 2012 and speech in Oct 2014 (that got Erdogan so upset)

The U turn in Oct 2014, indicates a possible shift in US foreign policy in Syria and frustration with its 'allies', the apology means nothing as it was a demand from Erdogan , the damage has been done

Turkish President Erdogan expressed frustration Saturday with Vice President Biden’s remarks that Turkey had made mistakes by allowing foreign fighters to cross into Syria. “If Mr Biden used such language, that would make him a man of the past for me…If he did say this at Harvard then he has to apologize to us,” Erdogan said at a press conference in Istanbul
“Foreign fighters have never entered Syria from our country. They may come to our country as tourists and cross into Syria, but no one can say that they cross in with their arms,”

Erdogan’s claim that no one cross into Syria with their arms , is a LIE, video evidence showing Turkish border guards allowing weapons to cross into Syria and please tell Erdogan that no tourist sneaks into war torn Syria from Turkey

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

Biden was forced to call Turkish government officials and apologize for his statement

@al-Hasani welcome back.

I think you had been banned for a month. I find this ban decision very unjust as many Iranian users are allowed to run wild with their foamed mouths in PDF.

we seem to have a small number of both Arab and Persian users here who engage in very cheap and highly immature racist name-calling and slogans......hate speeches will not be allowed here - especially among Muslims......it shouldnt be happening and people should not have to be banned - but mods must take action when situation calls for it

 

[Malik Alashter]

He and RT conveniently failed to include the part of the video where Biden says Saudi Arabia has stopped the funding, the Qataris have cut off support of the extremists and Turkey is sealing its border.

So is that make them out of question after all the blood they shed who will pay for all those innocents who lost their life because of these scums in Turkey Saudi and Qatar.

 

[al-Hasani]

before 2012, America's foreign policy in Syria was shaped by Turkey , KSA and Jordan, Biden "working hand in glove with Turks, Jordanians, Saudis .."

Biden’s debate with Paul Ryan in Oct 2012 and speech in Oct 2014 (that got Erdogan so upset)

The U turn in Oct 2014, indicates a possible shift in US foreign policy in Syria and frustration with its 'allies', the apology means nothing as it was a demand from Erdogan , the damage has been done


Erdogan’s claim that no one cross into Syria with their arms , is a LIE, video evidence showing Turkish border guards allowing weapons to cross into Syria and please tell Erdogan that no tourist visits war torn Syria from Turkey

Look if the US had not stayed silent while the Syrian people were mass-murdered by the Al-Assad terror regime for almost the entire year 2011 and the beginning of 2012 ISIS would not have emerged or even become even close to as powerful now. What the hell do you tell Syrians who have lost father's, mother's sister's, brother's etc. to the Syrian terror regime and who have got their entire houses, existences and towns/villages carpet bombed?

So we as fellow Arabs and Muslims should have stayed silent when our brothers and sisters were mass-murdered? Is that what you are saying?

ISIS first became an active part of the conflict 1-1.5 YEARS after the initial LEGITIMATE uprising against the tyrant, Al-Assad.

This has been the plan of the Syrian terror regime all along. To drag the conflict on as long as possible, to not target ISIS initially and to make the world chose between two evils (Al-Assad terror regime or ISIS). I must say that they have succeeded but not for much longer as the Al-Assad terror regime are next after the ISIS has been bombed.

 

[manlion]

Look if the US had not stayed silent while the Syrian people were mass-murdered by the Al-Assad terror regime for almost the entire year 2011 and the beginning of 2012 ISIS would not have emerged or even become even close to as powerful now. What the hell do you tell Syrians who have lost father's, mother's sister's, brother's etc. to the Syrian terror regime and who have got their entire houses, existences and towns/villages carpet bombed?

US didn't stay silent, it funded and armed jihadist ( including IS ) in Syria, US turned against IS , Syria after the beheading of American journalist James Foley in Raqqa

» Surreal: Clinton Pledges $45 Million in Aid to Al Qaeda in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

Back in 2012, the president stumbled and fumbled his way through a mess of tangled affairs in Syria, inching closer day-by-day to taking military action in support of rebels fighting the Syrian government.

The majority of citizens in America were against this move, and surprisingly, the president opted out of military intervention, actually heeding the voice of the people. Apparently, this was a one-time deal, because he hasn’t done it since.

President Obama recently approached Congress with his hand out, asking for $500 million to give to what he called “moderate” rebels doing battle against the extremists in the Assad regime.

So we as fellow Arabs and Muslims should have stayed silent when our brothers and sisters were mass-murdered? Is that what you are saying?

strange that IS et al, don't share similar sentiments towards Israel

ISIS first became an active part of the conflict 1-1.5 YEARS after the initial LEGITIMATE uprising against the tyrant, Al-Assad.

IS is an off short of JAN , there nothing legitimate in the uprising but chaos and destruction of Syria plotted by Turkey, Qatar, KSA to dispose Assad ...

» Turkey Behind Sarin Attack in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!

This has been the plan of the Syrian terror regime all along. To drag the conflict on as long as possible, to not target ISIS initially and to make the world chose between two evils (Al-Assad terror regime or ISIS). I must say that they have succeeded but not for much longer as the Al-Assad terror regime are next after the ISIS has been bombed.

You can't expect the over stretched and exhausted Syrian Army to take on the motley jihadists (IF, JAN, IS, FSA etc) simultaneously .

 

[al-Hasani]

US didn't stay silent, it funded and armed jihadist ( including IS ) in Syria, US turned against IS in Syria after the beheading of American journalist James Foley in Raqqa

» Surreal: Clinton Pledges $45 Million in Aid to Al Qaeda in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!






strange that IS et al, don't share similar sentiments towards Israel



IS is an off short of JAN , there nothing legitimate in the uprising but chaos and destruction of Syria plotted by Turkey, Qatar, KSA to dispose Assad ...

» Turkey Behind Sarin Attack in Syria Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!



You can't expect the over stretched and exhausted Syrian Army to take on the motley jihadists (IF, JAN, IS, FSA etc) simultaneously .

First of all are you not a Thai? Why does this conflict concern you? Or are you part of the anti-Islam brigade here on PDF?

Yes, sure. You did not get it did you? The Al-Asshead terror regime that you seem to support and turn a blind eye to was mass-murdering their citizens and destroying whole cities, towns and villages and the US looked silently when that happened despite them easily being able to topple the Al-Asshead terror regime in a matter of months at most. The whole world looked silently back in fact. This was BEFORE the rise of ISIS.

No, the US got involved because Iraq and Kurdistan was about to get overrun. That's why. It has nothing to do with 3-4 beheadings of Westerners.

What have ISIS to do with the fact that we as Arabs will not look silently when our brothers and sisters are killed? Where does Israel come from? Last time I checked the Al-Asshead terror regime is the only regime outside of Palestine whose land Israel controls. Google the Golan Heights and come back to me. The fanboy of the Al-Asshead terror regime here escaped as usual when I started to talk about that giant embarrassment in this thread earlier.

Oh, yeah suddenly the entire Syrian opposition is transformed to 1-2 groups and a few thousand fighters. Hilarious.
What I wrote is true though. This has been the plan all along. But you know what? They are just dragging the inevitable out and their eventual departure will even be more humiliating for that reason and their legacy will be that of solely destruction and mass-murder and the destruction of their own country and people. That's all. Even if 10 new ISIS organizations emerge it would not remove the crimes of the Al-Asshead terror regime. Nor tomorrow nor ever.

 

[Hiptullha]

Look if the US had not stayed silent while the Syrian people were mass-murdered by the Al-Assad terror regime for almost the entire year 2011 and the beginning of 2012 ISIS would not have emerged or even become even close to as powerful now

Is the US the world police now? Should they get involved in every single conflict in a country half way across the world? Should they have gotten involved in Bahrain too?

What the hell do you tell Syrians who have lost father's, mother's sister's, brother's etc. to the Syrian terror regime and who have got their entire houses, existences and towns/villages carpet bombed?

Boo hoo! Lets get the US involved! Lets get a couple of countries which have supported terrorist networks in South East Asia and the Middle East to "free" those poor civilians with their own mortars, missiles, and bullets.

So we as fellow Arabs and Muslims should have stayed silent when our brothers and sisters were mass-murdered? Is that what you are saying?

I noticed the silence of the Arabs and Muslims when their brothers in Bahrain were being attacked by the government. Right as we speak, a tyrannical government in Egypt is jailing and persecuting your Arab brethren because of their political beliefs.

 

[al-Hasani]

Is the US the world police now? Should they get involved in every single conflict in a country half way across the world? Should they have gotten involved in Bahrain too?



Boo hoo! Lets get the US involved! Lets get a couple of countries which have supported terrorist networks in South East Asia and the Middle East to "free" those poor civilians with their own mortars, missiles, and bullets.



I noticed the silence of the Arabs and Muslims when their brothers in Bahrain were being attacked by the government. Right as we speak, a tyrannical government in Egypt is jailing and persecuting your Arab brethren because of their political beliefs.

Are you insane? Only fools compare Bahrain where 10 people have lost their lives with Syria. Also I already have clearly stated (100 times) that if the Bahraini regime acted just like Al-Asshead has done for 4 years now I would want them gone too. An Arab is an brother to me. Whether Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jew or atheist. I don't care about that.

The US is supposed to be the world's superpower. They are the ones intent on staying in the ME. Nobody invited them. They came not because locals wanted them but because of our riches and strategical position. They are the ones crying about human rights and acting like the world police.

They are the ones that have now acted in Syria. They should have acted sooner and removed the Al-Asshead terror regime before ISIS grew which is only a natural consequence in such an environment and when Syrians have few other opportunities to rise up against the terror regime.

I don't see Egypt leveled to the ground nor do I see 200.000 dead Egyptians. When even remotely similar scenes will take place I will call for the downfall of the Egyptian tyrants that were behind such massacres. Including if such things happened in KSA. But they don't so I don't talk about that. Why the hell should I? Moreover this is about SYRIA.

 

[Hiptullha]

Are you insane? Only fools compare Bahrain where 10 people have lost their lives with Syria.

Since you were going for the "boo hoo! those people are oppressed!!!" way, I'd assume you'd care about the Arabs in Bahrain being jailed, tortured and killed.

The US is supposed to be the world's superpower. They are the ones intent on staying in the ME. Nobody invited them. They came not because locals wanted them but because of our riches and strategical position. They are the ones crying about human rights and acting like the world police.

Well you can't pinpoint the blame on the US for not acting.

I don't see Egypt leveled to the ground nor do I see 200.000 Egyptians dead.

No, you only see a tyrannical and corrupt regime which will do anything to crush dissent. Totally not comparable to Assad's tyrannical and corrupt regime which will do anything to crush dissent.