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I didn't think the US would slap the Indians the way it has. Surprised as I thought India was America's favourite poodle.
Irrelevant. USA never gave any technology to India even before 2016. USA even denied selling the ARROW BMD to India (even without TOT) for fear of reverse engineering.
There is no over estimation. India simply does not need anything else. India already makes Kaveri engine (though it is just 81kN and hence insufficient for Tejas) and Al31FP engine.
India already makes AL3FP as well as Kaveri engine. But these are older generation ones. India is seeking to develop newer generation 110kN engine. India needs lot of design time for it and is trying to cut it short by technology transfer, if possible. There is no desperation
America has no favorite poodle. Even the ones that sit in their laps and lick their feet can eventually get a boot to the butt. American foreign policy is extremely short sighted and interest driven. If they do not see interests materialize in short term or that they have materialized to their satisfaction and need not be further pursued they then are likely to abandon their cooperating partner if it is of no further use. Barring handful of individuals the U.S. Congress has not been actively pro-Pakistan but Bush senior, Clinton, Bush Jr. & Obama all had adopted a few but quite impacting anti-Pakistan policies (not that we didn't give them any chance not to) to appease and charm India in addition to technology and strategic cooperation. Unfortunately for the U.S. their extension of cooperation to India over the past two decades has yielded too little. For instance, relaxing of some of the US national export control laws did not result in India buying dual-use technologies from them. NSG waiver did not result in India buying the U.S. nuclear reactors. India's inclusion in MTCR has not resulted in Indo-US tech cooperation in space rockets or U.S. BMD & Air Defence systems. India instead went for Russian nuclear reactors and S400.
Thus, when a capitalism and corporate mindset driven President in the form of Donald Trump came into power he started booting all that has not yielded profits. Since he is a businessman and not a traditional politician he mainly strikes non-profitable partners with trade tarrifs and cancelations of cooperative understanding and agreements. His new found love for Pakistan is also interest driven. He expects a profit (whether financial or political/strategic) in return. Otherwise, much like previous Presidents he has a boot for us also.
Don't be self delusion. Kaveri until now is still a failure. No demonstrated as a usable and operational engine on Tejas or anyother fighter jets.
AL3FP claiming as licenses product is a myth. Many core parts are still needed to be imported from Russia with final assemble in India as domestic product engine. No country is stupid enough to all full TOT for a decent class jet engine no matter how much u paid.
End of the day, India learn nothing much from this license produced scheme. More of the hardwork still need to be produced by India themselves which until now has not materialise. India missed the boat of getting Ukraine to join them in such bid as Chinese has already rope them in with their tech and engineerers. These left Indian without much choice. France and UK will still be just another US with strict off limit for crucial TOT or share knowledge for high end jet engine.
All properties are stolen - Carl MarxHow would you explain the case of Israel ? Is it really that worth for Americans to antagonize a large segment of world's population by its unconditional support for Israel ? What do you really think are the objectives, America is trying to achieve ? What do you think is the end goal ?
Yet these Indians demonize China for doing what is necessary for national security ? China's rise in military technology is a combination of skillful electronic espionage and heavy investment in local research and development. People can criticize China all they want but the fact is they have achieved their objectives one way or the other. The end justifies the means.
Not only that. Aeroengine development is an expensive and tedious process. China dump in USD24 billion in R&D for aeroengine alone. Not to mention additional cost for production plant setup and technician training. Hardly any countries can afford such kind of investment. There is no shortcut regards to development engine.How would you explain the case of Israel ? Is it really that worth for Americans to antagonize a large segment of world's population by its unconditional support for Israel ? What do you really think are the objectives, America is trying to achieve ? What do you think is the end goal ?
Yet these Indians demonize China for doing what is necessary for national security ? China's rise in military technology is a combination of skillful electronic espionage and heavy investment in local research and development. People can criticize China all they want but the fact is they have achieved their objectives one way or the other. The end justifies the means.
France and UK will still be just another US with strict off limit for crucial TOT or share knowledge for high end jet engine.
How would you explain the case of Israel ? Is it really that worth for Americans to antagonize a large segment of world's population by its unconditional support for Israel ? What do you really think are the objectives, America is trying to achieve ? What do you think is the end goal ?
Israel is indeed an exceptional case but I do not think it is an exception. Sounds complex, I know. Most scholars are unable to define US-Israel relations, much like they are unable to define Sino-Pakistan relations. But in the end, it's all about interests. But unlike other ethnic and religious groups the Israeli/Jewish/Zionist interest converge not just with the US interests but US state itself. Unlike other migrant ethnic and religious groups the Jews are considered integral part of American society and state, or at least they have successfully propagated this. They have injected themselves in the American history. It is quite common to come across references like "Judeo-Christian history of the U.S" or "Christian Zionism" in the U.S. The Jews are quite a dominant force in the American academic, media, political, bureaucratic, technological, lobbying, business (trade, commerce, and banking), military, and what not circles. The American nuclear strength exists due to efforts of the Jewish academics, scientists and engineers. People like Henry Kissinger have shaped the American foreign policy. Many of the American elite Jewish mindsets and influential people hold equal loyalty to Zionism and the state of Israel (though they hold American citizenship they also seem to consider Israel as their homeland). But many also appose Zionism and the state of Israel. Thus, much as it is difficult to separate Jews from America it is also difficult to separate America and Israel. Even though, on few occasions Israel has gone against American interests. Israeli Air Force once attacked US Navy disguising their F-4 Phantoms (?) as Egyptian aircraft.
We need to unite in Asia to develop this critical tech and then share with each other. Only China is doing anything. West have 150 years head start on jet engine when rest of the world was still colonized.
Insightful. You should participate more on the forums. Your post to year ratio is abysmal
India doesnt need engine co-operation with the USA, i mean didnt India get all the tech transfer they needed including single crystal blade technology from Russia as part of the Su30MKI deal?
No surprises there.
Strategic allies (according to some Indian posters).
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