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U.S. officials say Pakistani spy agency released Afghan Taliban insurgents

so in a way you are justifying the killings of thousands of innocent afghanis by America?

in that sense i can too easily justify the killings of 72 CRPF jawans by Maoists they deserved it as Naxalities is the entity you are not at peace with.

No I am not justifying it.. Simply laying the blame at the door of Taliban as they instigated the war by harbouring OBL

And the 72 jawans were killed in the line of duty fighting for the state of India against the maoists.. Like any other police or army man.. Not comparable to the deaths of civilians. 2 countries going to war is different from insurgency..
 
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No I am not justifying it.. Simply laying the blame at the door of Taliban as they instigated the war by harbouring OBL

And the 72 jawans were killed in the line of duty fighting for the state of India against the maoists.. Like any other police or army man.. Not comparable to the deaths of civilians. 2 countries going to war is different from insurgency..

so if i rephrase it...
bow before the might or you ll be responsible for all the massacre.

to be honest its very right for this world but ill rather prefer to have my throat slit off my body than live lik a slave
 
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Real Taliban, Unreal Taliban, Hard Taliban, Soft Taliban, Raw Taliban, ISI Taliban, Good Taliban, Bad Taliban, US Taliban..

OMG.!!!! I am planning to organize Trance Taliban, Taliban who loves clubbing and trance music.
:dance3::dance3:

forget that, Indians & some Americans recently devised a new term 'Moderate Taliban' guess who was he , your right, MUllah Bradar:rofl::rofl:
 
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No I am not justifying it.. Simply laying the blame at the door of Taliban as they instigated the war by harbouring OBL ..

and all that time i thought it was al qaeda america was after


And the 72 jawans were killed in the line of duty fighting for the state of India against the maoists.. Like any other police or army man.. Not comparable to the deaths of civilians. 2 countries going to war is different from insurgency..

what ever the reasons i was just trying to justifyig the killings (Loss of Human Life) as easily as u did.. trying to make sense in it
 
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Osama did not attack US but was rather blamed for this without any proof. did they find any proof later on? is not the question here. therefore expecting talibans, who were at odds with US, to simply hand over their state guest to US without any conviction sounds illogical. and OBL held nationality of both saudi arabia and afghanistan so even otherwise he couldnt have been deported on the grounds of being a foreign national.

and pak india war where both armies fight against each other cannot be compared with US bombing cities and targeting few hundred ppl who cannot be differentiated from the civilians.

So how about all the militants being killed in NWFP. Have they been tried in a court of law..?? I am sure a lot of them are foreign nationals too.. And I am equally sure that some civilians are also dying because of Pakistan's offensive in NWFP. Incidently Pakistan since 2001 has been doing exactly (most of the time atleast) what US asked Afghanistan to do in 2001..Pakistan's govt was smart and protected its citizens from being at the receiving end of the US military offensive.. Taliban either didnt care or miscalculated...

There are certain things that go beyond the threashold of legalities. The whole thing was a planned offensive on the USA and post that expecting a country with USA's military might to sit idle and try to prove the roots of a black Op in a court of law was foolish on part of Taliban.

And the question here is not whether it was justified for the civilians to die, but who is really to be blamed..

And from a USA perspective, it was Al-Queda that targeted the Civilians first

Also at the time of 9/11 I think OBL was a citizen of Bosnia and not SA or Afghanistan...
 
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what ever the reasons i was just trying to justifyig the killings (Loss of Human Life) as easily as u did.. trying to make sense in it

as i said, not justifying the loss of life.. Just sharing my view on who is to be really blamed
 
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so if i rephrase it...
bow before the might or you ll be responsible for all the massacre.

to be honest its very right for this world but ill rather prefer to have my throat slit off my body than live lik a slave

The paraphrasing is not correct.. More like don't be an accomplice to the murder of 3000 civilians of a strong nation or you will be responsible for the deaths of yours..
 
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forget that, Indians & some Americans recently devised a new term 'Moderate Taliban' guess who was he , your right, MUllah Bradar:rofl::rofl:

I think the official stand of India has always been "there are no good taliban"
 
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Listen to me people, Pakistan has done what it can to get rid of these idiots, I don't know why people still think that Pakistan is playing double game, the thing right now is that Taliban are going down the reason Pak not going after Afghan Taliban was clear i.e. it first wanted to get rid of TTP, first TTP's back was broken & now Afghan Taliban are going down the drain is it hard to understand, Now its another thing that people make some damn funny & ridiculous stories out of Recent arrests of High Ranking Taliban Leaders, I mean they are all literally falling out of the sky, will Pakistan go after these High Ranking Taliban leaders if it was to support it? moreover they are going down the drain, there is no point for Pak to support them, When PaK & US have agreed over new Afghan Setup why the hell will Pak still support Taliban

Taliban Leaders

By Bill Roggio, LWJ, February 23, 2010 12:33 AM

Over the past two months, Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence agency has captured four senior leaders of the Afghan Taliban, including Mullah Omar's deputy who served as the head of the top shura, the leader of a regional shura, and two shadow governors. These captures, combined with the US-led offensive in Helmand which will expand into Kandahar and the Afghan East later this year, have given rise to reports of the potential collapse of the group.

The Afghan Taliban's leadership council and its regional shuras and committees have weathered the capture and death of senior leaders in the past. The Taliban have a deep bench of leaders with experience ranging back to the rise of the Taliban movement in the early 1990s. On prior occasions, younger commanders are known to have stepped into the place of killed or captured leaders. It remains to be seen if the sustained US offensive and possible future detentions in Pakistan will grind down the Taliban's leadership cadre.

This report looks at the Afghan Taliban's top leadership council, the Quetta shura; its four regional military councils; the 10 committees; and existing as well as killed or captured members of the shura. Because the Taliban is a deliberately opaque movement, it is difficult to gain real-time intelligence on the structure of the Taliban command. The following information on the structure of the Taliban and its key leaders has been gathered from press reports and studies on the Taliban, and from discussions with US intelligence officials.

The Afghan Taliban leadership council

The Afghan Taliban leadership council, or rahbari shura, is often referred to as the Quetta Shura, as it is based in the Pakistani city of the same name. The Quetta Shura provides direction to the four regional military shuras and the 10 committees. The Quetta Shura is ultimately led by Mullah Mohammed Omar, the ‘leader of the faithful,’ who is the top leader of the Taliban, but Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar directed the Quetta Shura. Baradar was the Afghan Taliban's second in command and the group's operational commander who was detained in Karachi sometime in January or February 2010. Over the past several months, members of the Quetta Shura have been reported to be relocating to Karachi to avoid potential US airstrikes.

Regional military shuras

The Afghan Taliban have assigned regional military shuras for four major geographical areas of operations. The shuras are named after the areas in which they are based; note that all four of the regional military shuras are based in Pakistan (Quetta, Peshawar, Miramshah in North Waziristan, and Gerdi Jangal in Baluchistan).

• Quetta Regional Military Shura - This military shura, like the Taliban’s top council, takes its name from its base in the city of Quetta in Pakistan’s Baluchistan province. The Quetta Regional Military Shura directs activities in southern and western Afghanistan. It is currently led by Hafez Majid.
• Peshawar Regional Military Shura - Based in the city of Peshawar in Pakistan’s Northwest Frontier Province, the Peshawar Regional Military Shura directs activities in eastern and northeastern Afghanistan. Abdul Latif Mansur is thought to currently lead the Peshawar shura. It was led by Maulvi Abdul Kabir before his arrest in Pakistan in February 2010.
• Miramshah Regional Military Shura - Based in Miramshah, the main town in Pakistan’s Taliban-controlled tribal agency of North Waziristan, the Miramshah Regional Military Shura directs activities in southeastern Afghanistan, including the provinces of Paktika, Paktia, Khost, Logar, and Wardak. The Miramshah Regional Military Shura is led by Siraj Haqqani, the son of Jalaluddin Haqqani.
• Gerdi Jangal Regional Military Shura - Based in the Gerdi Jangal refugee camp in Baluchistan, this regional military shura focuses exclusively on Helmand Province and perhaps Nimroz province. The Gerdi Jangal Regional Military Shura is led by Mullah Adbul Zakir.

The 10 committees

Along with the four regional commands, the Afghan Taliban have 10 committees which address specific issues. Some of the members of the committees are also members of the Quetta Shura.

• Military - This committee was led by Mullah Nasir, the former shadow governor of Ghazni. It is not clear who currently leads the military committee.
• Ulema Council - Also known as the religious committee, it is currently led by Mawlawi Abdul Ali.
• Finance - This committee is led by Abdulhai Mutma’in.
• Political Affairs - This committee is reported to have been led by Maulvi Abdul Kabir before his capture in February 2010. His replacement is not yet known.
• Culture and Information - This committee, which deals with Taliban propaganda, is led by Amir Khan Mutaqqi.
• Interior Affairs - This committee is led by Mullah Jalil.
• Prisoners and Refugees - This committee is led by Mawlawi Wali Jan.
• Education - This committee is led by Mawlawi Ahmad Jan, however it may have been disbanded.
• Recruitment - This committee was led by Mullah Ustad Mohammad Yasir before he was arrested in Peshawar in January 2009. Yasir’s replacement is not known.
• Repatriation Committee - This committee is led Mullah Abdul Zakir.

Known active members of the Quetta Shura

The list below consists of the known members of the Quetta Shura. There may be additional members who are not listed, while some leaders on this list may no longer be on the shura.

• Hafiz Abdul Majeed is the current leader of the Quetta Regional Military Shura. He served as the Taliban’s intelligence chief.
• Mullah Mohammad Hassan Akhund was the governor of Kandahar and the Minister of Foreign Affairs during Taliban rule in Afghanistan.
• Mullah Mohammad Hassan Rehmani is considered to be very close to Mullah Omar. Rehmani has been described as his "shadow." He was the governor of Kandahar province during the reign of the Taliban.
• Mullah Abdul Qayum Zakir is the head of the Gerdi Jangal Regional Military Shura (Helmand and Nimroz provinces) and the Taliban's ‘surge’ commander in the South. Zakir is a former detainee of the Guantanamo Bay detention facility in Cuba who currently serves as the Taliban’s ‘surge commander’ in the Afghan South.
• Amir Khan Muttaqi is the chief of the Information and Culture Committee.
• Siraj Haqqani is the leader of the Miramshah Regional Military Shura and the commander of the Haqqani Network. He is also the Taliban’s regional governor of Paktika, Paktia, and Khost.
• Mullah Mohammad Rasul was the governor of Nimroz province during the reign of the Taliban.
• Abdulhai Mutma’in is the chief of the Finance Committee. His served as a minister during the Taliban regime.
• Abdul Latif Mansur is the commander of the Abdul Latif Mansur Network in Paktika, Paktia, and Khost. He serves on the Miramshah Shura and was the former Minister of Agriculture for the Taliban regime. Mansur is thought to lead the Peshawar Regional Military Shura.
• Mullah Abdur Razzaq Akhundzada is the former corps commander for northern Afghanistan. He also served as the Taliban regime’s Interior Minister.
• Maulvi Hamdullah is the Taliban representative for the Gulf region. Hamdullah is considered to have been since 1994 one of Mullah Omar's most confidential aides. In addition, Hamdullah led the Finance Department in Kandahar during Taliban rule from 1994 until November 2001.
• Maulvi Qudratullah Jamal runs an investigative committee that deals with complaints from Afghan citizens against local Taliban personnel. Jamal also operates as a liaison to the Taliban's global supporters. He served as the Taliban’s chief of propaganda from 2002-2005.
• Maulvi Aminullah is the Taliban commander for Uruzgan province.
• Mullah Jalil is the head of the Taliban's Interior Affairs Committee.
• Qari Talha is the chief of Kabul operations for the Taliban.
• Sheikh Abdul Mana Niyazic is the Taliban shadow governor for Herat province.

Shura and committee members killed or captured:

• Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar directed the Quetta Shura. Baradar was the Afghan Taliban's second in command and the group's operational commander, and was detained in Karachi sometime in January or February 2010.
• Maulvi Abdul Kabir led the Peshawar Regional Military Council before he was captured by Pakistani intelligence in February 2010. He served as the Taliban's former shadow governor of the eastern Afghan province of Nangarhar, as well as the governor of Nangarhar during the Taliban’s reign.
• Mullah Mir Mohammed served as the shadow governor in the northern province of Baghlan. He was detained in February 2010.
• Mullah Abdul Salam served as the shadow governor in the northern province of Kunduz. He was detained in February 2010.
• Mullah Dadullah Akhund was the Taliban’s top military commander in the South. He was killed in May 2007 by British special forces in Helmand province.
• Akhtar Mohammad Osmani was a member of the Quetta Shura and was the Taliban's chief of military operations in the provinces of Uruzgan, Nimroz, Kandahar, Farah, Herat, and Helmand, as well as a top aide to Mullah Omar. He also personally vouched for the safety of Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar. He was killed by Coalition forces while traveling near the Pakistani border in December 2006.
• Mullah Obaidullah Akhund was the Taliban Defense Minister during the reign of the Taliban from 1996 until the US toppled the government in the fall of 2001. He was close to Mullah Omar. His status is uncertain; he has been reported to have been arrested and released several times by Pakistani security forces. He was last reported in Pakistani custody in February 2008.
• Mullah Mansur Dadullah Akhund, who is also known as Mullah Bakht Mohammed, replaced his brother Mullah Dadullah Akhund as the top commander in the South during the summer of 2007. His status is uncertain; he was last reported to have been arrested by Pakistani security forces in January 2008 but is thought to have been exchanged as part of a hostage deal.
• Anwarul Haq Mujahid was a member of the Peshawar Regional Military Shura and the commander of the Tora Bora Military Front, which is based in Nangarhar province. He was detained in Peshawar in June 2009. Mujahid is the son of Maulvi Mohammed Yunis Khalis, a senior mujahedeen leader who was instrumental in welcoming Osama bin Laden into Afghanistan after he was ejected from the Sudan in 1996.
• Mullah Ustad Mohammed Yasir was the chief of the Recruitment Committee and a Taliban spokesman before he was arrested in Peshawar in January 2009.
• Mullah Younis, who is also known as Akhunzada Popalzai, was a former shadow governor of Zabul. He served as a police chief in Kabul during Taliban rule. He was captured in Karachi in February 2010.

The Afghan Taliban's top leaders - The Long War Journal
 
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I think the official stand of India has always been "there are no good taliban"


In the wake of a possible American pullout from Kabul next year, New Delhi has sharply re-oriented its strategy towards Afghanistan by reaching out to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s Hizb-e-Islami party and keeping its door open in case of a reconciliation effort by the Taliban.

While the new Afghan policy is being crafted at the highest levels with National Security Advisor Shiv Shankar Menon playing a lead role, New Delhi is learnt to have made contact with Hizb-e-Islami party even though it knows that Hekmatyar is firmly under Pakistani control. New Delhi is also now amenable to talking to Taliban in case the latter are to open an engagement. This change in Indian posture comes as Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid also talked about reconciling with India.

Top government sources told The Indian Express that New Delhi wants to reach out to the second generation Pashtun leaders like Nangarhar Governor Gul Agha Sherzai, and is with the former Northern Alliance leaders like Marshal Fahim, Karim Khallili and Mohammed Mohaqiq in backing President Hamid Karzai’s government.

This fine-tuning of India’s position on Afghanistan comes after exchange of views between top diplomats. After the February attack on Indians in Kabul, Vice-President Hamid Ansari, Pakistan-Afghanistan envoy Satinder Lambah and former West Asia envoy Chinmay Gharekhan wanted India to adopt a neutral position in Afghanistan. This essentially meant keeping out of Aghanistan politics but carrying on the development works in the war-torn republic.

This month, this view was nuanced further by the UPA government, with New Delhi now all for an independent or neutral Afghanistan that does not require the crutches of neighbouring Pakistan. According to a paper prepared by the Ministry of External Affairs on the subject, India should back an Afghanistan that keeps out terrorism emanating from Pakistan and does not allow the state to slip back into the violence spiral of 1990s. The sub-text of the paper is that Afghanistan will come under the total influence of Pakistan if New Delhi were to let matters go out of hand.

While a section in South Block wants India to go back to supporting the former Northern Alliance faction, the fact is that all the top six alliance leaders are firmly backing Karzai, including Marshal Fahim, heir of legendary Ahmed Shah Masood, and Uzbek leader Mohammed Dostum. New Delhi is conscious of the fact that its former allies like Iran of the Northern Alliance days are still confused on whether they want the Americans out or the Taliban.


It is in this context that New Delhi wants to reach out to Pashtuns in the south and on the Durand Line while retaining ties with its Northern Alliance friends and President Karzai. So rather than the expected downscaling of Indian engagement in Afghanistan, New Delhi is all for enlarging it, lest it wants to let the republic be dominated by extremist forces of the past.
 
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So how about all the militants being killed in NWFP. Have they been tried in a court of law..?? I am sure a lot of them are foreign nationals too..

not a gud example. someone picking up arm against the state within the state is different than someone picking up arms against an attacking country.

And I am equally sure that some civilians are also dying because of Pakistan's offensive in NWFP.

yes that led us into this mess today. read my posts from 2008 and u will see my reasoning for the mess we are in today. it was our poor military operation in early 2004 and then on till 2009 which led to this mass uprising. thanks too kyani who realised we are steppin on a wrong foot time and again.

Incidently Pakistan since 2001 has been doing exactly (most of the time atleast) what US asked Afghanistan to do in 2001..Pakistan's govt was smart and protected its citizens from being at the receiving end of the US military offensive.. Taliban either didnt care or miscalculated...

yes that is the reason why our social fabric is so fucked up today. this is exactly what made majority pakistanis to see musharraf gov playing in the hands of US in killing muslims. and this is exactly wat i didnt want to go into when i said musharraf dragged us into this war.

There are certain things that go beyond the threashold of legalities.

attacking country without concrete proof and without realising the nature of attack does not go beyond any legality but only comes under arrogance.

The whole thing was a planned offensive on the USA and post that expecting a country with USA's military might to sit idle and try to prove the roots of a black Op in a court of law was foolish on part of Taliban.

all wat u have mentioned comes under arrogance. and we all can see where can this lead you. US is gettin its faced rubbed time and again in afghanistan by some rag tag ppl who carry a cheap gun and wear some second hand shoes.

And the question here is not whether it was justified for the civilians to die, but who is really to be blamed..

yes its US which is to be blamed for their arrogance. its them who wanted everyone to surrender unconditionally.
 
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In the wake of a possible American pullout from Kabul next year, New Delhi has sharply re-oriented its strategy towards Afghanistan by reaching out to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar’s Hizb-e-Islami party and keeping its door open in case of a reconciliation effort by the Taliban.

While the new Afghan policy is being crafted at the highest levels with National Security Advisor Shiv Shankar Menon playing a lead role, New Delhi is learnt to have made contact with Hizb-e-Islami party even though it knows that Hekmatyar is firmly under Pakistani control. New Delhi is also now amenable to talking to Taliban in case the latter are to open an engagement. This change in Indian posture comes as Taliban spokesman Zabihullah Mujahid also talked about reconciling with India.

Top government sources told The Indian Express that New Delhi wants to reach out to the second generation Pashtun leaders like Nangarhar Governor Gul Agha Sherzai, and is with the former Northern

Alliance leaders like Marshal Fahim, Karim Khallili and Mohammed Mohaqiq in backing President Hamid Karzai’s government.

This fine-tuning of India’s position on Afghanistan comes after exchange of views between top diplomats. After the February attack on Indians in Kabul, Vice-President Hamid Ansari, Pakistan-Afghanistan envoy Satinder Lambah and former West Asia envoy Chinmay Gharekhan wanted India to adopt a neutral position in Afghanistan. This essentially meant keeping out of Aghanistan politics but carrying on the development works in the war-torn republic.

This month, this view was nuanced further by the UPA government, with New Delhi now all for an independent or neutral Afghanistan that does not require the crutches of neighbouring Pakistan. According to a paper prepared by the Ministry of External Affairs on the subject, India should back an Afghanistan that keeps out terrorism emanating from Pakistan and does not allow the state to slip back into the violence spiral of 1990s. The sub-text of the paper is that Afghanistan will come under the total influence of Pakistan if New Delhi were to let matters go out of hand.

While a section in South Block wants India to go back to supporting the former Northern Alliance faction, the fact is that all the top six alliance leaders are firmly backing Karzai, including Marshal Fahim, heir of legendary Ahmed Shah Masood, and Uzbek leader Mohammed Dostum. New Delhi is conscious of the fact that its former allies like Iran of the Northern Alliance days are still confused on whether they want the Americans out or the Taliban.

It is in this context that New Delhi wants to reach out to Pashtuns in the south and on the Durand Line while retaining ties with its Northern Alliance friends and President Karzai. So rather than the expected downscaling of Indian engagement in Afghanistan, New Delhi is all for enlarging it, lest it wants to let the republic be dominated by extremist forces of the past.


nice one.. i think the whole pupose of Mr karan.1970 here is dead now.. maybe we should start a new thread "Raw Supporting the Elite newly found Good Talibans" :bounce:
 
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The paraphrasing is not correct.. More like don't be an accomplice to the murder of 3000 civilians of a strong nation or you will be responsible for the deaths of yours..

no. you cant just go and expect a country at odds with you to hand over anyone to you without asking for a proof. its purely the case of bow before the might.
 
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