U.S. officials say Pakistani spy agency released Afghan Taliban insurgents

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

This alleged 'catch and release' does not make sense.

Obviously the ISI has contacts with the Afghan Taliban and is familiar with its leadership, so if need be, it could open channels of communication with the Afghan Taliban leaders when it wanted to. If we assume that, then what was the reason for arresting these two alleged leaders? One reason for arrest is to conduct 'talks'. But 'talks' does not seem a realistic reason since 'talks' could be accomplished without resort to arrest and destroying the 'trust' factor.

The second possible reason for arresting these leaders could be for establishing Pakistan's reputation as 'fighting the Afghan Taliban' and building a stronger relationship with the US and the US military and intelligence community. But the article alleges that these two alleged arrests were never announced, and were carried out by Pakistan alone, secretly. So obviously the goal was not to 'impress' the US, since they would have been publicized or the details shared privately with the US military and intelligence at least. If the latter (shared information privately with the US) occurred, then 'releasing' them would not be possible since the US military and intelligence would know that Pakistan released the two leaders as soon as they became active in the field again.

I would therefore argue that this article, like many others based on 'anonymous sources', is baloney. We saw this after the arrest of Baradar as well, a multitude of articles based on 'anonymous US military and intelligence sources' providing widely different reasons for why Pakistan arrested Baradar and how it occurred. What that illustrated was that even within the US intelligence and military community, at the level at which various journalists had there sources, there was no consensus or complete information flow. Why would this story be any different?

 

[rubyjackass]

What Indians don't understand is that 'No one's innocent in this sh!t, NO ONE'

Hey!!!! Thats my line.

Nobody is innocent in this **** buddy... nobody

 

[karan.1970]

Are there any attributable sources from named government officials in the Washington Post article?

Are there even any named Afghan Taliban leaders allegedly released in the WaPo article?

Reporting a news article and using an article based on unnamed sources to prove a point are 2 different things..

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

They have to deal with some , now every one is in talk with most hated Taliban. Even India want Saudis to help them come close to them. Kabul was so angry as Pakistan put them behind the bar when UN was talking to them.
We make fun of Imran Khan when he says that.

 

[DaRk WaVe]

Picture abhi baaki hai mere dost...

fil hal ke picture India k lye kuch ache ni ha aur na he ye picture keh rahe ha Pakistan Taliban ko support karne ke mood mae ha

They have to deal with some , now every one is in talk with most hated Taliban. Even India want Saudis to help them come close to them.

Ohh yes Karan, do i need to tell you about Indians trying to Manipulate Saudis for their interest in Afghanistan

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Reporting a news article and using an article based on unnamed sources to prove a point are 2 different things..

Both quote 'unnamed government/military sources', what is the difference?

 

[karan.1970]

What was the cooperation being sought and why were the Taliban offers of either trying OBL and Co. in Afghanistan or a mutually acceptable third nation not acceptable and evidence of a willingness to cooperate on the part of the Taliban regime?

The UNSC resolution on Afghanistan to hand over OBL is as old as 1999. With a second resolution in 2000.

OBL was wanted for crimes in USA and not Afghanistan...

 

[karan.1970]

Both quote 'unnamed government/military sources', what is the difference?

The difference in the usage.. In the first case its a news report to be read and interpretted by the reader as he/she sees fit. I am not using that to prove a point. In the second case the news report is being used to back an arguement. In which case the credibility of the report needs to be backed up ...

 

[karan.1970]

fil hal ke picture India k lye kuch ache ni ha aur na he ye picture keh rahe ha Pakistan Taliban ko support karne ke mood mae ha

Abhi climax nahin aaya na

Ohh yes Karan, do i need to tell you about Indians trying to Manipulate Saudis for their interest in Afghanistan

But Saudis are not Taliban... Are they?

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Abhi climax nahin aaya na


But Saudis are not Taliban... Are they?

Networking term: I know a friend who knows them for a link.

Last time when Kabul and Taliban were talking in Saudi Arab , Nawaz Sharif was there too.
The talk ended with no result as Taliban are very rigid people.

 

[ajpirzada]

Its a bit of a hindsight 20/20.. I was in the US when 9/11 happened (8 blocks from the ground zero) .. At that time the sentiments were so strong that the GoA could have done anything and probably thats what Musharraf was thinking when he agreed. And the sanctions did get lifted.. didnt they..???

there was still enough room to bargain. musharraf got a bit too scared. even US officials later confessed that they were not expacting musharraf to accept all their demands and were quite surprised to find him saying yes to everything rit on phone.



For retreating yes... But they are the ones who led Afghanistan into that war to begin with.. So you can argue that they redeamed them self a teeny weeny bit by retreating, but not for leading the country into a disaster...

well this will go round in circles now. i see it as US attacking afghanistan out of arrogance despite the willingness of taliban to try OBL in a neutral court.


Thats the Obama story...

agreed to some extent. 'it is too damn hard'


I think both of us have pretty strong views on this..How about we leave it at this...??

ya i can see that too. its just gonna go round and round.

 

[karan.1970]

Networking term: I know a friend who knows them

Didnt get your drift...

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

Didnt get your drift...

add more in to it, check the post again

 

[karan.1970]

add more in to it, check the post again

My view is that India is hedging its bets in the Islamic & Chinese block. Hence the goody goody conversations with Saudis and comments against sanctions on Iran (may be an angle to the IP pipeline too).. But there are such strong associative connotations of Taliban with the Kandahar hijaak episode that it will be a mini political suicide for GoI to make overtures to Taliban..Stranger things may have happened in Politics and Diplomacy, but I find this in the same level of difficulty as giving in on Kashmir..

I mean you havent been to India I guess.. Taliban is the word used for describing evil in all spheres. Kind of a derogatory abuse.. For example, if a political party has to condemn a Bal Thakrey mentality, they comment about him Talibanizing the Indian politics.

Hence my 2 cents

 

[Gin ka Pakistan]

My view is that India is hedging its bets in the Islamic & Chinese block. Hence the goody goody conversations with Saudis and comments against sanctions on Iran (may be an angle to the IP pipeline too).. But there are such strong associative connotations of Taliban with the Kandahar hijaak episode that it will be a mini political suicide for GoI to make overtures to Taliban..Stranger things may have happened in Politics and Diplomacy, but I find this in the same level of difficulty as giving in on Kashmir..

I mean you havent been to India I guess.. Taliban is the word used for describing evil in all spheres. Kind of a derogatory abuse.. For example, if a political party has to condemn a Bal Thakrey mentality, they comment about him Talibanizing the Indian politics.

Hence my 2 cents

Agreed here in Pakistan too when you have to hit PML(N) or Imran Khan their opponent associate them with Talibans and when you have say to any one "he is backward" you call him Taliban.

and when in west you say I hate Taliban you win friends