U.S. officials say Pakistani spy agency released Afghan Taliban insurgents

[JonAsad]

You are actually discrediting all the jawans and officers of Pakistan Army who have died fighting these talibans in your NWFP region.. Yeah Yeah, I know this will bring forward your lame classification of Good vs bad taliban and TTP never being part of Taliban etc.. But that is as self defeating as classifying cancer as good cancer and bad cancer. Both of them kill you....

i dont know why ppl dont understand simple things .. i bet that u didnt read my post clearly ... or your mind doesnt want to ... dont just stop at the first line read the whole post ... Strategy.. Ring any Bells?? Le me say Again Strategyyyyyy

 

[Aslan]

Unlike most of the time, this time I do not agree with you.. Osama attaks US and is sheltered by Taliban puts them directly in conflict with USA. He was not an Afghan citizen and Taliban really didnt have jurisdiction there to demand a neutral court.. If the intent was right, he should have been deported to the country whose citizen he was (Bosnia I think) and Afghanistan would not have had to go thru what it did. But they didnt do that.. Why??

Taliban pulled Afghanistan into a war with USA. Post that complaining about USA causing civilian deaths is naive.. India and Pakistan were in a state of war thrice and there were civilian deaths in bombing raids, border bombardments. We dont complain about that to each other about causing civilian deaths at that time.. USA and Afghanistan are no different...

I think he could have either been deported to Yemen or Sudan, as his Saudi passport was revoked. But then the Saudis wouldn't have let him come in their back yard. And the Sudanese were in no position to host him. Any ways as soon as a plane was up in the air with him in it. It was either going down by force or forcefully landed.
And I am not sure about the impact of war on the civilians in Pakistan and India, but I am sure that the rules of engagement were put in place to the best of their abilities and the war was still fought in the most gentlemanly manner. The problem with today's war is that after WW2 there have been very few wars where 2 armies have fau fought ght it out conventionally, on equal basis. Most of the time it had been one strong country running over a weak one and then a big mess for a long time.

 

[ice_man]

very weird! the US and Afghanistan are crying that we caught the number 2 taliban leader MULLAH ABDUL BARADAR! they want to get cosy and in bed with taliban but when we say ok we got no issue with afghan taliban people start crying!!

why does the world forget that the enemy in WOT is AL QAEDA! Taliban were in power & were overthrown they are fighting an outside agressor! they never funded aided the al qaeda!

convinently the WOT on terror has shifted from war on al qaeda to war on afghan taliban! (before indians come back with the usual line of pakistan taliban THOSE ARE NOT TALIBAN THOSE ARE INDIAN AIDED CRONIES)!

from tomorrow you might call yourself taliban too that doesn't make you an afghan taliban? does it now?

forgot to mention one thing if your enemy is hiding in another man's country with whom you have no extradition treaty in place! you cannot walk into their country overthrow a country & be like hey why we getting attacked this is what the US did!


india currently just signed the extradition treaty with saudi arabia! meaning till a while back even india couldn't ask for its criminals back!

 

[Ahmad]

And partially the responsibility of it lies on top of the Afghanis as well. .

oh yes. i am sure that statmetn made your day.

 

[JonAsad]

All false flag operations aside, the Taliban committed the Afghan civilians to death and destruction when they supported the players of 9/11..

US being the entity with whome they are at war, can not be blamed to the same extent for civilian deaths in collateral damage, as the Taliban who use killing civilians as a part of enforcing their will in the country ruled by them

so in a way you are justifying the killings of thousands of innocent afghanis by America?

in that sense i can too easily justify the killings of 72 CRPF jawans by Maoists they deserved it as Naxalities is the entity you are not at peace with.

 

[karan.1970]

i dont know why ppl dont understand simple things .. i bet that u didnt read my post clearly ... or your mind doesnt want to ... dont just stop at the first line read the whole post ... Strategy.. Ring any Bells?? Le me say Again Strategyyyyyy

strategy at the cost of your army??

 

[Aslan]

oh yes. i am sure that statmetn made your day.

You know what think what you may and believe in what you want to, cause wasting my I time with you is doing . I don't understand if you have a comprehension problem or are simply blinded by hate. I said "partially" if you don't know what it means then its your problem. And how conveniently you ignored every thing else just to pick on one point that suited you the most. This is the end or my discussion with you.

 

[ajpirzada]

Unlike most of the time, this time I do not agree with you.. Osama attaks US and is sheltered by Taliban puts them directly in conflict with USA. He was not an Afghan citizen and Taliban really didnt have jurisdiction there to demand a neutral court.. If the intent was right, he should have been deported to the country whose citizen he was (Bosnia I think) and Afghanistan would not have had to go thru what it did. But they didnt do that.. Why??

Taliban pulled Afghanistan into a war with USA. Post that complaining about USA causing civilian deaths is naive.. India and Pakistan were in a state of war thrice and there were civilian deaths in bombing raids, border bombardments. We dont complain about that to each other about causing civilian deaths at that time.. USA and Afghanistan are no different...

Osama did not attack US but was rather blamed for this without any proof. did they find any proof later on? is not the question here. therefore expecting talibans, who were at odds with US, to simply hand over their state guest to US without any conviction sounds illogical. and OBL held nationality of both saudi arabia and afghanistan so even otherwise he couldnt have been deported on the grounds of being a foreign national.

and pak india war where both armies fight against each other cannot be compared with US bombing cities and targeting few hundred ppl who cannot be differentiated from the civilians.

 

[JonAsad]

unjust justifications .. It means every country should destabalize their neighbours to have covert and overt influence.. Where does it stop.. ??

isn't that wots just happening out there??

 

[karan.1970]

I think he could have either been deported to Yemen or Sudan, as his Saudi passport was revoked. But then the Saudis wouldn't have let him come in their back yard. And the Sudanese were in no position to host him. Any ways as soon as a plane was up in the air with him in it. It was either going down by force or forcefully landed.
And I am not sure about the impact of war on the civilians in Pakistan and India, but I am sure that the rules of engagement were put in place to the best of their abilities and the war was still fought in the most gentlemanly manner. The problem with today's war is that after WW2 there have been very few wars where 2 armies have fau fought ght it out conventionally, on equal basis. Most of the time it had been one strong country running over a weak one and then a big mess for a long time.

I think he was given Bosnian passport in 1998.. However at the end of the day, Taliban decided that giving asylum to OBL was more important than the welfare of Afghanistan. After that blaming USA for the war damage is double standards...

And despite whatever rules of engagement, there is always collateral damage that can not be controlled..

 

[Ahmad]

You know what think what you may and believe in what you want to, cause wasting my I time with you is doing . I don't understand if you have a comprehension problem or are simply blinded by hate. I said "partially" if you don't know what it means then its your problem. And how conveniently you ignored every thing else just to pick on one point that suited you the most. This is the end or my discussion with you.

YOu cant have it all in your way. It is what you guys always say about us, but i admit you were the generouse one who used the word partially and you are right that i shouldnt have over looked it, the others paksitanis blame everything on us. if you want to gain something, you have to lose something, so no point to moan about it. rightly or wrongly, you guys have been very successful to have damage your image among the afghans. i am sure that is hurtful to the authorities in pakistan.

 

[Aslan]

And despite whatever rules of engagement, there is always collateral damage that can not be controlled..

What ever is the case about collateral damage, the point is that when you are in control of the entire country and still you are killing people by mistake day in and day out then it cant be simply labelled as Collateral damage. Then there is a bigger picture to the whole scenario and the US being the party in control holds a bigger responsibility towards the safety and well being of the Afghan citizens.

 

[JonAsad]

strategy at the cost of your army??

i knew you will ask me this and i was hoping you will not .. since you have asked it google Military Stratgies and tactics you'll have an idea wot i m talking abt.. i dont want to explain ev thing here you should have known abt military strategies b4 coming here.. Cheers

 

[Aslan]

YOu cant have it all in your way. It is what you guys always say about us, but i admit you were the generouse one who used the word partially and you are right that i shouldnt have over looked it, the others paksitanis blame everything on us. if you want to gain something, you have to lose something, so no point to moan about it. rightly or wrongly, you guys have been very successful to have damage your image among the afghans. i am sure that is hurtful to the authorities in pakistan.

Well to me it is as simple as this; I know that my country have had its share of wrong doing, are we as its citizens party to the blame. Yes and no. But the Yes holds a bigger ground as we are the citizens of that country.
Were the Afghans responsible for the mess, yes and no. Yet again the same theory applies to them as well.
As far as the reputation of Pakistanis in Afghanistan is concerned. Well time will tell and time will be a witness to it. So lets not make our assumptions based on some shady server posted by BBC. Let the dust settle and lets see who falls in love with who. The problem with both our countries is that no matter how much we hate each other, we are one. We share a long history, and a common bond both in religion and in genetics. So love us or hate us, we get effected by any stunts that get pulled in Kabul, and you do by what happens in Islamabad.

 

[Ahmad]

As far as the reputation of Pakistanis in Afghanistan is concerned. Well time will tell and time will be a witness to it. So lets not make our assumptions based on some shady server posted by BBC. Let the dust settle and lets see who falls in love with who. The problem with both our countries is that no matter how much we hate each other, we are one. We share a long history, and a common bond both in religion and in genetics. So love us or hate us, we get effected by any stunts that get pulled in Kabul, and you do by what happens in Islamabad.

I agree with you, but i was refering to what ordinary people say about pakistan on the streets of afghanistan.