Typhoon, Rafale no match for China’s J-20

[Storm Force]

IM GOING TO USE A LINE much used by pakistani mods and seniors posters on this forum re LCA & RAFALE to indians.

TALK ABOUT J20 as a serious threat when it actuall;y enters service and is operational

Today the chinease J20 WOULD BE battered by a fully operational mature typhoon & rafale.

" only talk when it enters service" in 2020

 

[tvsram1992]

last time they said http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/143334-typhoon-rafale-no-match-china-s-mmrca.html , after taking mental blow after we chose MRCA they are saying its no match for J20

 

[dbc]

she just couldn't counter the facts that I showed and had to come up with anything.

Facts? That is a joke. How about you prove your claim that the APG-79 is limited to 20 targets tracks.

 

[timetravel]

The charge of the French cheerleader begins . I believe you are aware of the statement made by the then IAF Air Chief Naik following the down select of EF and Rafale. Let me refresh your memory and put a stop to the 50 cent per post defense of your French patron.



Indian military aviation enthusiast and members of PDF you have a choice believe Sancho OR the former IAF ACM.

..:: India Strategic ::.. India set to decide big military aircraft deals

what the IAF ACM said could also be interpreted as, that though US offers also offers the best but we are not interested. Also it could be a way of not degrading the US platform. But obviously sancho has given lots of material to prove he is right.

( n in case of France u cannot use the same thing as China which is known for paid puppets on online forums and which is known for fouth grade quality of equipment sue to copy paste issues. So when China says this system is equivalent to this or that it is not so. but u cannot doubt the systems in case of french. SO that excuse u cannot take. So if u have material countering sancho post it.)

Whereas u have not given any proof. On the face of it, the IAF or any other military chief's of other countries say lot of things, do u take everything as the final world and definitely true?

point is if u have got some points to keep forward then bring them out.. sticking to just this statement is not the proper thing in here. This round goes to SANCHO without doubt.

 

[dbc]

what the IAF ACM said could also be interpreted as, that though US offers also offers the best but we are not interested. Also it could be a way of not degrading the US platform. But obviously sancho has given lots of material to prove he is right.

( n in case of France u cannot use the same thing as China which is known for paid puppets on online forums and which is known for fouth grade quality of equipment sue to copy paste issues. So when China says this system is equivalent to this or that it is not so. but u cannot doubt the systems in case of french. SO that excuse u cannot take. So if u have material countering sancho post it.)

Whereas u have not given any proof. On the face of it, the IAF or any other military chief's of other countries say lot of things, do u take everything as the final world and definitely true?

point is if u have got some points to keep forward then bring them out.. sticking to just this statement is not the proper thing in here. This round goes to SANCHO without doubt.

The IAF chief's was quite unambiguous but if you choose to disregard or spin his word like Sancho then that is your prerogative. As for proof, how about we wait for Sancho to prove his claim that the APG-79 can track no more than 20 targets.

 

[timetravel]

As for proof, how about we wait for Sancho to prove his claim that the APG-79 can track no more than 20 targets.

ok forget that one point. What do u got to support urself otherwise? post something which shows ur machine has some strengths more then the Rafale?

except for that one statement what else u have? lets see some real specifications and equipment competition from your side too?

 

[dbc]

ok forget that one point. What do u got to support urself otherwise? post something which shows ur machine has some strengths more then the Rafale?

except for that one statement what else u have? lets see some real specifications and equipment competition from your side too?

I'd rather wait for Sancho to prove his claim..

 

[timetravel]

I'd rather wait for Sancho to prove his claim..

even if i assume he is wrong on that point. Ok now what. he may be wrong on one. but he gave many more points. Now if u have something post please to make it interesting. it is getting boring and u have lost this particular debate otherwise to sancho.

 

[JohnyD]

lot of said and heard about so called chinese super duper best hi tech sophisticated indigenous fighter jets....I am bit sceptic if Chinese Air Force indeed exists and they do fly their birds and they are battle worthy machines...may be an excercise with any western bird..say Jaguor (leave alone Rafale) with best in class Chinese Jet would prove who stands where! propoganda works only in PDF!!

 

[timetravel]

lot of said and heard about so called chinese super duper best hi tech sophisticated indigenous fighter jets....I am bit sceptic if Chinese Air Force indeed exists and they do fly their birds and they are battle worthy machines...may be an excercise with any western bird..say Jaguor (leave alone Rafale) with best in class Chinese Jet would prove who stands where! propoganda works only in PDF!!

rightly said buddy.. Jaguars may also prevail over PLAF fighters easily. Only once they DARE to have this will we know. Otherwise it is easy to stay in home play a loudspeaker with lion's voice inside the house and tell others I have the strongest pet.

 

[laman12345]

India's Big Mouth

Remember how they mocked our WS-10 engine for years?
Now we find out their Kaveri engine is a total and utter failure.
Indians are the first to brag but the first to fail.
This is exactly why they fail, instead of concentrating on their own weaknesses and problems they choose to laugh at others, it's a sign of insecurity.
They brag about beating Beijing Olympics show but their commonwealth games turned into a complete farce.

Their overconfidence is exactly why they got their a$$ kicked in 1962.

They laugh at our economy when their own economy is a house of cards built on debt.
They laugh at our manufacturing slowdown, while their manufacturing industry barely exists.

Our strength is to identify our weaknesses and work harder to improve ourselves, whereas Indians just laugh at others comparing us to the US and laughing that we are behind America.
The Indian arrogance is their biggest weakness.
Their worship of the white man is another sign of their inferiority complex.

The more we advance, the more their ego gets bruised.

 

[timetravel]

....
The more we advance, the more their ego gets bruised.

we dont accept duplicate low performance engines as WS-10
Chinese economy is a bundle of Fake Info.. I hope u saw that thread

 

[shuttler]

The first 2 are airplanes of a different generation airplane from J-20.

Now some info from wiki:

General characteristics J-20

Crew: one (pilot)
Length: 21.26 m (69 ft 9 in)
Wingspan: 12.88 m (42 ft 3 in)
Height: 4.45 m (14 ft 7 in)
Wing area: 59 m2 (630 sq ft)
Empty weight: 17,000 kg (37,479 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 36,287 kg (80,000 lb) upper estimate[2]
Powerplant: 2 × WS-10G (prototype); WS-15 when J-20 is serving afterburning turbofans dry, 180 kN (40,000 lbf) with afterburner
Maximum speed: Mach 2.0 or less (DSI limit)[88]
Range: 5,500 km (3,418 mi; 2,970 nmi)
Combat range: 2,000 km (1,243 mi; 1,080 nmi)
Service ceiling: 20,000 m (65,617 ft)

General characteristics - Dessault Rafale

Crew: 1–2
Length: 15.27 m (50.1 ft)
Wingspan: 10.80 m (35.4 ft)
Height: 5.34 m (17.5 ft)
Wing area: 45.7 m² (492 ft²)
Empty weight: 9,500 kg (C), 9,770 kg (B),[119] 10,196 kg (M) ()
Loaded weight: 14,016 kg (30,900 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 24,500 kg (C/D), 22,200 kg (M) (54,000 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Snecma M88-2 turbofans
Dry thrust: 50.04 kN (11,250 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 75.62 kN (17,000 lbf) each
Fuel capacity: 4,700 kg (10,000 lb) internal
Performance
Maximum speed:
High altitude: Mach 1.8+ (2,130+ km/h, 1,050+ knots)
Low altitude: Mach 1.1+ (1,390 km/h, 750 knots)
Range: 3,700+ km (2,000+ nmi)
Combat radius: 1,852+ km (1,000+ nmi) on penetration mission
Service ceiling: 16,800 m (55,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 304.8+ m/s (60,000+ ft/min)
Wing loading: 306 kg/m² (62.8 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 1.10 (100% fuel, 2 EM A2A missile, 2 IR A2A missile)

General characteristics - Eurofighter Typhoon

Crew: 1 (operational aircraft) or 2 (training aircraft)
Length: 15.96 m (52.4 ft)
Wingspan: 10.95 m (35.9 ft)
Height: 5.28 m (17.3 ft)
Wing area: 51.2 m²[231] (551 sq ft)
Empty weight: 11,150 kg (24,600 lb)
Loaded weight: 16,000 kg[231][232] (35,000 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 23,500 kg (52,000 lb)
Powerplant: 2 × Eurojet EJ200 afterburning turbofan
Dry thrust: 60 kN (13,000 lbf) each
Thrust with afterburner: 89 kN (20,000 lbf) each
Fuel capacity: 4,500 kg (9,900 lb) internal[231]
Performance
Maximum speed:
At altitude: Mach 2 (2,495 km/h/1,550 mph)[233][234][235]
At sea level: Mach 1.2[230] (1,470 km/h/910 mph)[236]
Supercruise: Mach 1.1–1.5[237]
Range: 2,900 km (1,800 mi)
Combat radius:
Ground attack, lo-lo-lo: 601 km (325 nmi)
Ground attack, hi-lo-hi: 1,389 km (750 nmi)
Air defence with 3-hr combat air patrol: 185 km (100 nmi)
Air defence with 10-min. loiter: 1,389 km (750 nmi) [231][238]
Ferry range: 3,790 km (2,350 mi)
Service ceiling: 16,765 m[239] (55,003 ft)
Absolute ceiling: 19,812 m[239] (65,000 ft)
Rate of climb: >315 m/s[240][241] (62,000 ft/min[242])
Wing loading: 312 kg/m²[231] (64.0 lb/ft²
262 kg/m2 with 50% fuel)
Thrust/weight: 1.15
g-limits: +9/−3 g[243]


go on helping yourself elevated to indian military generals

What's this fascination with Chinese Junk series? We don't even know what this latest junk is capable of. Having those big asss canards on a stealth fighter is dumb to say the last.
Chinese Junk-10 plane is famous for being a maintenance nightmare China Gives J-10s Away and hiding crashes China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes . Lets see what this latest junk will become famous for.

As for American Maal, once this MMS fag goes, the govt-govt direct sale nonsense will automatically ground to a Halt. Already plenty of Hangar queens waiting if India decides to do something contrary to GOTUS wishes.

the source quoted above as not in anyway higher than indian slanders. so you guys really serve your masters well!

which of the phase are you in now looking for an effective sealant that can cure the headaches in your Leaking Cockpit Aircraft before it is permanently diplayed in your Museum of indigenous indian failures (miif - myth)! Its the start of Losing Confidence Aircraft projects indeed for india airforce - the run away champions of plane crashes! RIP RIP RIP

Perhaps you need LCA Block II - the Learning Curve Aircraft projects to continue as soon as all the prototypes are downgraded to UAVs

 

[Yeti]

Why not? I can say a Ferrari is much better than a sh!t Hyundai, and that's a fact, despite that Hyundais should not be compared with Ferraris because they're not even in the same league.

J-20 is indeed far superior to whatever planes India will acquire in the next 10 years. That's simply a fact.

Another thing to note is that Rafale exists on a brochure for the IAF, but J-20 actually exists and can fly under our own pilots.

J20 is a prototype buddy it's not in production and why would u compare it with the Rafale which is 4gen? we have the FGFA project as our 5th gen future fighter.

 

[sms]

The first 2 are airplanes of a different generation airplane from J-20.

You are right!!

They are different Generation from J20. These are might youths and J20 yet to crawl.
J20 is designed to be 5th generation fighter with no 5th generation electronics integration. As of today it's flying turky and no match to 1st genration jets let alone Rafel