Typhoon, Rafale no match for China’s J-20

[rockstarIN]

Doc!!!!!

You're confused, self protection jamming is intended to deny a single hostile tracking radar the ability to achieve a lock. This the Rafale can do, escort jamming is the ability to deny all enemy radars the ability to detect, track and lock any aircraft in your formation. The Rafale cannot escort jam in lay person parlance, it cannot electronically protect the air assests it escorts neither can it electronically attack and disable / destroy hostile emitters.

If Rafale does not have the capability for escort jamming, how did it enter heavily defended Libyan air space by Libyan air defense undetected?

If it was only self protection jamming, at least Libyan forces came to know that some bogies were in their air space. Though they were not able to get a lock on Rafales, they could have ordered their jets to scramble for interception. So far, there were no news of air combat in Libyan campaign and all LAF jets were destroyed at the ground. There were not aware that Rafales were coming. Only French air force were participated in Libya at the beginning..

 

[dbc]

If Rafale does not have the capability for escort jamming, how did it enter heavily defended Libyan air space by Libyan air defense undetected?

If it was only self protection jamming, at least Libyan forces came to know that some bogies were in their air space. Though they were not able to get a lock on Rafales, they could have ordered their jets to scramble for interception. So far, there were no news of air combat in Libyan campaign and all LAF jets were destroyed at the ground. There were not aware that Rafales were coming. Only French air force were participated in Libya at the beginning..

French air operations were initiated over rebel controlled Benghazi. Soon after, the Libyan IADS were taken down by a barrage of Tomahawks. Besides, I don't think any Libyan air force pilot was crazy enough to take to the air and challenge NATO.

 

[shiv]

If Rafale does not have the capability for escort jamming, how did it enter heavily defended Libyan air space by Libyan air defense undetected?

If it was only self protection jamming, at least Libyan forces came to know that some bogies were in their air space. Though they were not able to get a lock on Rafales, they could have ordered their jets to scramble for interception. So far, there were no news of air combat in Libyan campaign and all LAF jets were destroyed at the ground. There were not aware that Rafales were coming. Only French air force were participated in Libya at the beginning..

That maybe due to incompetent LAF ground crew as well who knows.. but it is an established fact that EA-18 growler through ECM jamming had managed to bring down a F-22 and it has escort jamming capabilites which Rafale clearly doesn't have.

 

[faithfulguy]

That maybe due to incompetent LAF ground crew as well who knows.. but it is an established fact that EA-18 growler through ECM jamming had managed to bring down a F-22 and it has escort jamming capabilites which Rafale clearly doesn't have.

Very good point. And only US current has a plane like FA-18. Too bad India choose Rafael instead. If India had chosen F-18 instead, I certain US won't mind selling some Growlers to India.

 

[shiv]

Very good point. And only US current has a plane like FA-18. Too bad India choose Rafael instead. If India had chosen F-18 instead, I certain US won't mind selling some Growlers to India.

MMRCA contract was for IAF and F-18SH was offered whereas EA-18 Growler is operated by IN...
So a tender tabled by IAF has nothing to do with IN's requirement.

Also, who knows, India may as well get EA-18 as a sweetening deal for increasing the follow on order of P8Is ?

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

That's right. A single J-20 can probably suppress half the Indian military with gun alone.

The old Indian way of only thinking inside the box is showing itself again. That's why they're the most loyal servants of foreign corporations and are proud of their contributions to foreigners, while we find it the deepest shame.

 

[rockstarIN]

That maybe due to incompetent LAF ground crew as well who knows.. but it is an established fact that EA-18 growler through ECM jamming had managed to bring down a F-22 and it has escort jamming capabilites which Rafale clearly doesn't have.

You cant blame on crew on this. They should have well trained provided in such a situation.

I'm not saying Rafale is good in escort jamming, but its passive capabilities are excellent.

Very good point. And only US current has a plane like FA-18. Too bad India choose Rafael instead. If India had chosen F-18 instead, I certain US won't mind selling some Growlers to India.

No way...they will never sell Growlers at all to anybody..

 

[dbc]

That's right. A single J-20 can probably suppress half the Indian military with gun alone.

The old Indian way of only thinking inside the box is showing itself again. That's why they're the most loyal servants of foreign corporations and are proud of their contributions to foreigners, while we find it the deepest shame.

FairAndUnbaised indeed

 

[rockstarIN]

That's right. A single J-20 can probably suppress half the Indian military with gun alone.

The old Indian way of only thinking inside the box is showing itself again. That's why they're the most loyal servants of foreign corporations and are proud of their contributions to foreigners, while we find it the deepest shame.

Your post does not reflect your user name at all.

 

[shiv]

That's right. A single J-20 can probably suppress half the Indian military with gun alone.

The old Indian way of only thinking inside the box is showing itself again. That's why they're the most loyal servants of foreign corporations and are proud of their contributions to foreigners, while we find it the deepest shame.

On the contrary, u people were the loyal servants of white fascists.. remember macau ? 1999 ? Hong Kong 1998 ?
Any bells ringing ?

 

[dbc]

No way...they will never sell Growlers at all to anybody..

The Growler is not cleared for export, even if it was you need to make sure your current operational assets (Su 30 MKI, Mirage etc) have sufficient protection from electromagnetic interference that the Growler can produce. Operating a Growler in the presence of unprotected equipment can damage your own fleet.

 

[OrionHunter]

This is so stupid it's not even funny! The J-20 is still in its infancy and will be fully operational not before 2018 at the earliest after ironing out all the glitches and extensive trials on its untested systems.

The Rafale and the Typhoon have been tried and tested and been in service for a number of years. By the time the J-20 becomes operational, technology would have leaped ahead with upgrades being effected on the Rafales and Typhoons accordingly.

More important than the platform itself, the mind boggling technological leap in BVR weapons will be the game changer, not just stealth which in any case can never make an aircraft 'disappear' completely. That would be 'cloaking technology' which would probably take another 50 years to perfect.

 

[Su-11]

What's this fascination with Chinese Junk series? We don't even know what this latest junk is capable of. Having those big asss canards on a stealth fighter is dumb to say the last.
Chinese Junk-10 plane is famous for being a maintenance nightmare China Gives J-10s Away and hiding crashes China tries to hide J-10 fighter crashes . Lets see what this latest junk will become famous for.

As for American Maal, once this MMS fag goes, the govt-govt direct sale nonsense will automatically ground to a Halt. Already plenty of Hangar queens waiting if India decides to do something contrary to GOTUS wishes.

 

[SamranAli]

why are they comparing 4th gen with 5th gen stealth fighters. Huge obsession.

and they should compare J-20 with thier so called indigenous jets.

 

[Yeti]

@fairandunbiased

Your making yourself look like a fool it is better to quit while you're ahead, the Rafale is a 4th gen fighter which would be better compared to the likes of J10 why would u compare it with the J20 which is not even production ready?