Typhoon, Rafale no match for China’s J-20

[joekrish]

J 20 has a long way to go.

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

J20 is not even in production! and without proper engine and avionics.
Stealth Shaping Is No Rocket science And Doesn't Give You any Big advantage, everything comes down to EW suit's , Jamming and Detecting radar emission, rafale Sensors elements can cripple Or detect J20 Presence Long before J20, And take necessary steps according to situation.

J20 is a large radiating hotspot. Rafale Is virtually Invisible! And decades ahead of Chinese in EW Field.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

LOL, we have Indians here desperately arguing for the merits of a Western plane vs. a Chinese plane.

But wait a second... what about Indian planes?

I'm sure the Westerners appreciate the Indians arguing for them (in between using their credit ratings agencies to downgrade India)... but why not have some Indians arguing for their own planes for once?

 

[rai_kamal]

I think it would be more appropriate to compare J20 Indian HAL Produced Marut and it is highly likely that Marut would beat the PANTS off of J20. Three Cheers for Indian Technology.

And here comes the super-man of the world.. to rescue his brand new bed-mate..
Coz they rescue them from world, and in return pakistan rescue china at pdf..
@topic : China should release more information about j20, so that world can see their power to produce something good.
They can manufacture j20 as early as possible but they can't make it superior to others as early as possible..

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

it's premature to say these kind of sentences like EF/rafale no match for J20.& dont think a 4.5 gen fighter cant beat a stealth fighter.it can

Good Post!
F/A-18G is capable of Jamming F22 radar from pretty good range!
back Than, I was not surprised by the outcome.

LOL, we have Indians here desperately arguing for the merits of a Western plane vs. a Chinese plane.

But wait a second... what about Indian planes?

I'm sure the Westerners appreciate the Indians arguing for them (in between using their credit ratings agencies to downgrade India)... but why not have some Indians arguing for their own planes for once?

Elite Fool!
this thread is about rafale , EFT and J20....

poor English ??

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Elite Fool!
this thread is about rafale , EFT and J20....

poor English ??

Obviously I was referring to the thread itself.

Indians desperately trying to argue on behalf of Western planes vs. Chinese planes. But where are the Indian planes?

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

Obviously I was referring to the thread itself.

Indians desperately trying to argue on behalf of Western planes vs. Chinese planes. But where are the Indian planes?

Sad to say, so far You are Posting Offtopic!
You are a Elite member and valuable asset to PDF , I request you to contribute something constructive.

 

[Screambowl]

instal some multi static radars and J20 will be a hot target for SAM Akash.

 

[funtoosh]

LOL, we have Indians here desperately arguing for the merits of a Western plane vs. a Chinese plane.

But wait a second... what about Indian planes?

I'm sure the Westerners appreciate the Indians arguing for them (in between using their credit ratings agencies to downgrade India)... but why not have some Indians arguing for their own planes for once?

some say there is no lca.. we say its in stealth mode and has got your @$$ in its aesa radar

 

[shree835]

LOL, we have Indians here desperately arguing for the merits of a Western plane vs. a Chinese plane.

But wait a second... what about Indian planes?

I'm sure the Westerners appreciate the Indians arguing for them (in between using their credit ratings agencies to downgrade India)... but why not have some Indians arguing for their own planes for once?

Trolling not needed at all...

 

[Alphacharlie]

India will ink the world’s single largest defence deal by closing the 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft (MMRCA) contract in a couple of months. As these fourth generation fighter jets join the Indian Air Force fleet, China will prepare to launch its fifth generation stealth fighter Chengdu J-20. China is racing ahead towards the planned induction of its indigenous stealth fighter in 2017. The Chengdu J-20, which made its debut in January this year, has already flown two prototypes, within a span of four months. In India’s case, however, the two shortlisted contenders — Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale, both only fourth generation — are still undergoing price negotiations. The commercial bids for the US $15 billion deal were opened on 4 November.
Eurofighter Typhoon from the European consortium EADS — comprising Italy, Germany, Spain and UK as partner nations — is a twin-engine, multi-role fighter. A question mark exists on its air-to-ground capability. The UK audit watchdog NAO has criticised the Typhoon for its problems with spares availability, flying hours, immature estimates in funding and inefficient collaborative decision making. It has said that the aircraft will not have full multi-role capability for some years.

To add to this, the Typhoon is still in the process of acquiring air-to-ground attack capability, which was tested unsuccessfully in Libya recently.

French Dassault Aviation’s twin-engine Rafale fighter is operational only in the French Navy and Air Force, and recently lost out the US $10 billion deal it had hoped to sign with the United Arab Emirates.

Highly priced, approximately around $80 million a piece, neither Typhoon nor Rafale has a proven radar (the tender requirement is for an AESA [active electronically scanned array]). This came to light during laboratory trials. The manufacturers said that the radar would be integrated once the deal was finalised.

It would take almost four years for the first aircraft to arrive after the deal is inked. So by the time India gets its fourth generation aircraft in 2016, the Chinese will be ready to induct their fifth generation aircraft.

Taking the lead in almost all its indigenous equipment trials, China seems to be well ahead of schedule in its weapons platforms. Their aircraft carrier Varyag entered sea trials in July 2011. The fifth generation stealth fighter J-20′s debut this year helped China enter the elite club of fifth generation fighter jet owners. The other members of the club are the United States and Russia. While Russia took a year to make the second flight of its fifth generation stealth fighter PAK-FA, or T-50, with the first flight in January 2010, and the second in 2011, China has taken a lead in its stealth fighter trials.

Having advanced stealth features and the capability of super cruising, the J-20′s initial flights have given rise to speculation that the stealth fighter may already be being developed further. Western experts have called the stealth shaping of the J-20 better than the Russian PAK-FA (T-50) and the American F-35 fifth generation fighters. The J-20 will also have an AESA radar, electro-optical sensors, glass cockpit, fly-by-wire systems and bays for weapons of all ranges.

On record, Air Force officers back the Government of India’s choice. Former Air Chief F.H. Major told The Sunday Guardian, “The Chinese may be aiming at a fifth generation aircraft, but India, too, has entered into a similar venture with Russia. Since J-20 is not yet inducted, we don’t know what capability it will have, whereas the shortlisted MMRCA fighters, the Eurofighter Typhoon and the Rafale are already flying in some countries, so we know their capabilities. Except stealth, which is an exclusive fifth generation feature, most four plus and fifth generation fighters have common features, like EW systems, weaponry and super cruise.”

Former Western Air Command Chief, retired Air Marshal A.K. Singh said, “Technologically there may not be much of a difference, except stealth. Arms and ammunition put onboard make a difference, which is not known for any of these aircraft. As far as inter-operability, manoeuvrability and sensors go, I don’t think there is much of a difference.”

Former Air Chief S. Krishnaswamy said, “The AESA radar on both Typhoon and Rafale may have been demonstrated in a laboratory, but by the time they are inducted, these radars will be a part of the fighters as that’s the tender requirement. But other avionics and sensors, like SAR, FLIR, IR will be better on the Indian planes, since we have access to western technology, which the Chinese do not have. How much can they research-develop and reverse-engineer?”

About the IAF’s FGFA (fifth generation fighter aircraft), former Air Chief P.V. Naik had said that the IAF’s requirement was of a twin-seater, with higher level of avionics, swing role, super cruise capability and long range weapons. In December 2010, India and Russia signed a preliminary design contract to jointly develop a FGFA, on the lines of the twin-engine T-50, also called PAK-FA, Perspective Future Aviation Komplex for Frontline Aviation. The fear is that this project will be subject to the huge delays that have dogged joint ventures with Russia

The US Air Force’s fifth generation stealth fighter F-22 Raptor is already operational. Its F-35 joint strike fighter is under production and in its trial stage, with US as the lead country and nine others in the consortium.

Typhoon, Rafale no match for China

Purest Form of Bullcrap.

J 20 Has not even done 1000 Flying hours.
No radar being integrated and an Illustrious Professor is making Comparision!!!

What stooped him from Quoting is Better than F 22?

 

[DrSomnath999]

Good Post!
F/A-18G is capable of Jamming F22 radar from pretty good range!
back Than, I was not surprised by the outcome.

the irony is F18 growler needs electronic jamming pods which rafale's spectra along with it's RBE 2 AESA radar can do it,rafale doesnt need external jamming pod
2)THALES AND ELECTRONIC WARFARE:

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http://www.dassault-aviation.com/fi...teur/AUTRES_DOCS/Fox_three/Fox_Three_nr_4.pdf

 

[Invincible INDIAN]

no``no``sir
J-20 is designed to 'challenge' IAF's Mig-21s``just like god made indians to entertain human beings

No nononono noooo...

Again, MIG 21 is a battle proven plane that has ruled skies for decades. J 20 is still a prototype.

Sorry, you loose

 

[dearone4u_22]

I think it would be more appropriate to compare J20 Indian HAL Produced Marut and it is highly likely that Marut would beat the PANTS off of J20. Three Cheers for Indian Technology.

Wow Cheerleaders gone wild.......

On topic:-

Why are this fool comparing rafael with j-20.........??????thats what FGFA /PAKFA meant to be....

Rafael is meant replace the other jet and meant take on f-16 and j-10b /j-11

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Rafale was no doubt Good aircraft. But it is very Old now. First flight flew in 1986 and introduced to the world in 2000.
25 year Old airframe and Old history While J20 is new platform and 5th generation.
You can't compare Old man with the Young....
Sorry but this is truth !!