Type 052D DDG News & Discussions

[samsara]

Regarding the 052D, it does look like the class could well end up as 14 units, as we havn't seen any additional units listed in any construction tables. If that happens, then that is still more than what was originally predicted.
By the way the Chinese have launched themselves into the 055 program, it looks like this is what the Chinese naval planners really want as we have seen them starting off building 4 units, without the usual policy of building a lead ship, testing it, then if its ok, then order more vessels.
As China seems to of sorted out its marine engine problems, there is nothing now to stop them building the big toys for their navy!

I just hope some familiar IND affiliated posters frequent to this column will agree with your above view they still repeatedly have the conjectures that, Heaven forbid, China is still too slow in building and somehow lacks of efficiency...

 

[grey boy 2]

Dalian 052D DDG "3 brothers" updates (大连三艘052D进展，其中第三艘也已经安装上桅杆)

 

[ao333]

I just hope some familiar IND affiliated posters frequent to this column will agree with your above view they still repeatedly have the conjectures that, Heaven forbid, China is still too slow in building and somehow lacks of efficiency...

Chinese shipbuilding is not efficient. China is at 30% of Japan and South Korea's efficiency level.
http://fairplay.ihs.com/ship-constr...wants-its-yards-to-lead-the-world-in-10-years

Because China has 5x the military budget of Japan or 7x Korea's, the country can build more ships concurrently. It doesn't make the process more efficient.

If you are comparing to India, however, it's a non-sequitur. India does not have a shipbuilding industry to speak of.

 

[Stuttgart001]

Chinese shipbuilding is not efficient. China is at 30% of Japan and South Korea's efficiency level.
http://fairplay.ihs.com/ship-constr...wants-its-yards-to-lead-the-world-in-10-years

Because China has 5x the military budget of Japan or 7x Korea's, the country can build more ships concurrently. It doesn't make the process more efficient.

If you are comparing to India, however, it's a non-sequitur. India does not have a shipbuilding industry to speak of.

Yes. In terms of ship building technology, China still lag behind japan/korea in about 10 ~15 years .
Luckily, shipbuilding industry is very traditional in which there's hardly going to be a huge technical revolution that gives China a chance to catch up .

 

[jkroo]

Chinese shipbuilding is not efficient. China is at 30% of Japan and South Korea's efficiency level.
http://fairplay.ihs.com/ship-constr...wants-its-yards-to-lead-the-world-in-10-years

Because China has 5x the military budget of Japan or 7x Korea's, the country can build more ships concurrently. It doesn't make the process more efficient.

If you are comparing to India, however, it's a non-sequitur. India does not have a shipbuilding industry to speak of.

LMAO
Are you seriously bullsh!ting? At least you should post your basis of the figures and the definitions of efficiency.
Construct a fleet of a small nation level every year that is not efficient. LOL
OK I agree with you, expert. So please construct more and faster, China. LOL

Shipbuilding industry, civilian or military? East Asians are far more superior in the civilian shipbuilding industry. LOL

 

[Stuttgart001]

LMAO
Are you seriously bullsh!ting? At least you should post your basis of the figures and the definitions of efficiency.
Construct a fleet of a small nation level every year that is not efficient. LOL
OK I agree with you, expert. So please construct more and faster, China. LOL

Shipbuilding industry, civilian or military? East Asians are far more superior in the civilian shipbuilding industry. LOL

Don't be annoyed.
I think what this guy talked about is the technique of shipbuilding not that of battleship.
Though the volume of shipbuilding industry of China is No.1 in the world, the technical level of shipbuilding is still kind of backward compared to Japan, South Korea.

It's not a big deal, cause China shipbuilding industry is consistently enhancing the technical level of shipbuilding for the past years and will develop and try more advanced tech in the future .
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[26-K]

It is common knowledge that there is a massive gap in capability between civilian and military shipbuilding in China. The shipbuilding firms that are on the white list of Ministry of Industry and Information Technology builds China's naval ships and therefore is given most resources and is much more efficient than the commercial ship yards. It is a bit of an insult to China to compare SK and Japan's naval shipbuilding capabilities when they import most of everything from the radars, propulsion down to the CIWS. The government is ordering a lot of navy ships to mainly boost naval power but also as an economic stimulus package of sorts. Andrew Erickson has a good article on this for English readers somewhere if you can't read Chinese.
Contrast this to China's civilian sector where many firms are facing some financial difficulties or bankruptcy, especially now with the container ship glut so orders aren't coming in. The government really should support the commercial shipyard more and not just focus solely on the military ones.

 

[samsara]

It is common knowledge that there is a massive gap in capability between civilian and military shipbuilding in China. The shipbuilding firms that are on the white list of Ministry of Industry and Information Technology builds China's naval ships and therefore is given most resources and is much more efficient than the commercial ship yards. It is a bit of an insult to China to compare SK and Japan's naval shipbuilding capabilities when they import most of everything from the radars, propulsion down to the CIWS. The government is ordering a lot of navy ships to mainly boost naval power but also as an economic stimulus package of sorts. Andrew Erickson has a good article on this for English readers somewhere if you can't read Chinese.
Contrast this to China's civilian sector where many firms are facing some financial difficulties or bankruptcy, especially now with the container ship glut so orders aren't coming in. The government really should support the commercial shipyard more and not just focus solely on the military ones.

Thanks for your exposition! Only those who pay close attention to the Chinese shipbuilding industry can tell the fine lines between the military and civilian sectors
However, as you may also realize from reading thoroughly in this great column at some aircraft carrier threads or elsewhere, for how many years China has been postponing from building such massive warships as CV in prioritizing resources on its economy development, and indeed such refrain and focus do pay off in economic explosion.

How many laymen might indeed think out of the virtues of such great patience in advance... as a good foresight instead of just hindsight thinking???

So now perhaps it's the PLA Navy's turn to get its top priority for all kinds of top resources until the Navy gets well settled. Or to say it in other words, the commercial shipbuilding sector can wait for its turn of top priority of resources too at some time later. But a commercial industrial line that is able to wholly build a giant commercial ship as large as Xin Guang Hua 新光华 can't be far lagging behind its top competitors, if any, in particular within the whole ecosystem point of view in one-to-one relationship. Moreover if one takes into account those special-purpose civilian ships such as the Arctic exploration ship Xuelong 雪龙 (Snow Dragon) & its successor and manned deep-sea research submersible Jiaolong 蛟龙 (Aquatic Dragon) and so on... sure some one may add more the long list of achievements.

Btw, this newly posted thread: "Chinese Naval Shipbuilding: Measuring the Waves" (by Naval War College professor Andrew S. Erickson) gives a more in-depth reading about the Chinese shipbuilding industry from a foreign expert lens.

 

[grey boy 2]

 

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[星海军事]

It seems that there will be a small improvement on 346A begins with the 8th 052D.

 

[Place Of Space]

Dalian 052D DDG "3 brothers" updates (大连三艘052D进展，其中第三艘也已经安装上桅杆)

Good news, our reporter.

 

[grey boy 2]

Updates: Dalian 3 brothers

 

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