Two F-22P heading to Yemen today

[Dr. Strangelove]

Iranians would use that to sow seeds of sectarianism into Pakistan's military forces, not just the already alienated Shia population.

the truth is pakistan is the only country in the world with a large shiite population which dont have any shiite armed groups which is a norm in other countries like labanon syria and iraq
the reason is simple there will be consequences for iran if it ever tries to do something funny do u think we will play fair with them the last time they tried ISI sent a clear message to them they have stayed away ever since
and please dont think sect differences will work in pakistani army i know soldiers who want strict islamic laws but are proud of killing talibabboon scums and our shias are loyal to us there wont be any hozzbolah in pakistan

 

[Mutakalim]

About a fifth of the army is Shia (if we're to believe the method of recruitment based on demographics and merit) do you really think the PA would risk alienating them by joining this sectarian conflict?

Apart from statement of brotherhood, Pakistan will never get involved.

 

[That Guy]

You're missing my question. When an army having pushtoons,deubandis and wahabis in her ranks is fighting against TTP and LeI wouldn't the same question be applied here?

No, as there is a national and political consensus for military action, including from JI, whom are mainly Salafi/wahab

The Yemen war is different as almost every party and group is against it. There is no nation consensus on this issue.

So what If Saudis and their allies do the same to these elements?

Do what to whom? I'm afraid I don't understand this question.

Where the institutional interests arise, soldiers are expected to put aside the personal interests. You know how those commandos were treated who refused to take part in lal masjid operation despite having a valid reason for not doing so.

And look at what happened. The army's reputation was tarnished by the lal masjid operation, which led to a massive support for the ttp.

It is expected for soldiers to put aside their differences, but reality is far different to expectation. We saw this during the Iraq-Iran war, where Shia soldiers in the Iraqi army refused to fight Iran, or in some cases, switched sides. This lead to Iraqi military issuing orders to arrest or execute any shia soldier that may be deciding to switch sides. This is one of the biggest reasons why Iraq failed to win the war, despite technological superiority and advanced training that Iran did not have until the US gave the Iranians weapons to defend themselves later in the war.

the truth is pakistan is the only country in the world with a large shiite population which dont have any shiite armed groups which is a norm in other countries like labanon syria and iraq
the reason is simple there will be consequences for iran if it ever tries to do something funny do u think we will play fair with them the last time they tried ISI sent a clear message to them they have stayed away ever since
and please dont think sect differences will work in pakistani army i know soldiers who want strict islamic laws but are proud of killing talibabboon scums and our shias are loyal to us there wont be any hozzbolah in pakistan

Actually, there ARE shia armed groups in Pakistan. They started out as proxies for Iran against it's proxy war with KSA after the Iranian revolution. Most of the ones that exist today are pro-government, and help fight against the Taliban.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

Actually, there ARE shia armed groups in Pakistan. They started out as proxies for Iran against it's proxy war with KSA after the Iranian revolution. Most of the ones that exist today are pro-government, and help fight against the Taliban.

so its proven that our shias are only loyal to us and it will continue to be so

 

[That Guy]

so its proven that our shias are only loyal to us and it will continue to be so

If it comes down to an Iran-Pakistan war? That may not hold true. Right now, both PA and these militias have a common enemy in the ttp and various sectarian groups, that may change if Iran ever goes to war with Pakistan.

Still, even if this does happen, and iran-Pak go to war, a vast majority of Shia would be loyal to Pakistan; its the minority that I'm worried about. The majority would rather seem Tehran under a Pakistani flag, as a friendly Tehran is good for them.

 

[SBD-3]

No, as there is a national and political consensus for military action, including from JI, whom are mainly Salafi/wahab

The Yemen war is different as almost every party and group is against it. There is no nation consensus on this issue

Does this help? I will keep updating the post as I gather statements

 

[That Guy]

Does this help? I will keep updating the post as I gather statements

Sorry, can't read Urdu all that well. Please post English source.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

If it comes down to an Iran-Pakistan war? That may not hold true. Right now, both PA and these militias have a common enemy in the ttp and various sectarian groups, that may change if Iran ever goes to war with Pakistan.

you are wrong here there are people in army with salafi deobandi views but they dont mind or refuse to fight against ttp
similarly if u know our shiites you would with whom their loyalties are even if they sympathise with iran in case of a war they are gonna support their own country not iran
when iran was making empty threats to pakistan a few months back they weree as pissed as the rest of us

Sorry, can't read Urdu all that well. Please post English source.

ppp pmln q are in

 

[That Guy]

you are wrong here there are people in army with salafi deobandi views but they dont mind or refuse to fight against ttp
similarly if u know our shiites you would with whom their loyalties are even if they sympathise with iran in case of a war they are gonna support their own country not iran
when iran was making empty threats to pakistan a few months back they weree as pissed as the rest of us

I guess its a agree to disagree situation.

ppp pmln q are in

Right, what's the source? Pmln and q are practically the same party, and both are pro-KSA. PPP is surprising, but until I get confirmation, I will remain skeptical. PTI is out, mwm (a large shia party) is out, ji seems to remain neutral, so all that remains are the smaller parties. If nawaz can build a large national consensus, PA will go in, but I doubt it will happen.

 

[The SiLent crY]

the truth is pakistan is the only country in the world with a large shiite population which dont have any shiite armed groups which is a norm in other countries like labanon syria and iraq
the reason is simple there will be consequences for iran if it ever tries to do something funny do u think we will play fair with them the last time they tried ISI sent a clear message to them they have stayed away ever since
and please dont think sect differences will work in pakistani army i know soldiers who want strict islamic laws but are proud of killing talibabboon scums and our shias are loyal to us there wont be any hozzbolah in pakistan

You started Anti Iran stories again !?

There is no Shia group in Syria .

Hezbollah is the reason that Israel isn't building settlement in Beirut right now and those Lebanese should be merciful to thousands of martyrs .

Those Shia militias in Iraq are the reason ISIS is starving in Tikrit not besieging Baghdad . Who can save Iraq if these groups disappear ? Iraqi Army ? US ? Maybe Saudi coalition including Pakistan !

Does this help? I will keep updating the post as I gather statements

Can you translate first three lines of the second picture ?

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

You started Anti Iran stories again !?

call me what ever u want arabs call me pro iran you call me anti iran
i just say what is truth a war of influence is going on in mideast and both groups are to be blamed for it because none of them is ready to talk
you support assad who is murdering his own people and saudis are supporting FSA which is no better all this has created a mess that wont end any time soon

Hezbollah is the reason that Israel isn't building settlement in Beirut right now and those Lebanese should be merciful to thousands of martyrs .

read my previous posts i said i admire hezbollah for the same reason u jusst quoted above but its an irani proxy neverthless

Those Shia militias in Iraq are the reason ISIS is starving in Tikrit not besieging Baghdad . Who can save Iraq if these groups disappear ? Iraqi Army ? US ? Maybe Saudi coalition including Pakistan !

lets not go that road i was just making a point if you cant understand it so be it

 

[shaheenmissile]

Obvioysly,they helped us in all our wars, so its only fair that we also help them if their country is attacked.
You may be a Shia and that is fine,but look beyond your sectarian bias. Iran is not our friend,they are with India.And Houthi of yemen may be your shia brothers but they too are not our allies and we do not have defense cooperation contracts with them as we have with saudia. This is called international politics,you help your allies to get their help later.
Take off your sectatian glasses and you may see straight.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

I guess its a agree to disagree situation.




Right, what's the source? Pmln and q are practically the same party, and both are pro-KSA. PPP is surprising, but until I get confirmation, I will remain skeptical. PTI is out, mwm (a large shia party) is out, ji seems to remain neutral, so all that remains are the smaller parties. If nawaz can build a large national consensus, PA will go in, but I doubt it will happen.

it was in the news too but they are asking to act as a negotiator and send military just to protect KSA and no fighting in yemen

 

[That Guy]

it was in the news too but they are asking to act as a negotiator and send military just to protect KSA and no fighting in yemen

Who, the PPP? I think everyone, including hardcore pro-Iran shia parties would agree to sending troops to protect ksa's borders.

 

[Winchester]

so its proven that our shias are only loyal to us and it will continue to be so

a large majority would be
But the nut cases are there and all it takes to stir sh*t up is a few of them
You can even find them on the forum
Perhaps it is due to the state turning a blind eye to Shia target killings over the years
Hence the more imperative we stay out of this conflict
Pakistani nationalism is unfortunately not that strong among some of our people