Twitter Suspends Pakistan Defence Forum Without any Warning - Again

[Hellfire]

Last year in November, Twitter suspended our verified twitter handle without any warning or moderation. Our repeated appeals were not entertained.

Oh! But we did warn you to post less of fake news and stuff! And be more objective & neutral to regain the stature that PDF enjoyed till about 2014-15.

We still do. Do we see a course correction? No Sir! Objectivity, due diligence and neutrality (thereby giving credence to facts & intellectual discourse) are still scant.

Yes man.

twitter was given a list of Pakistani accounts which Modi wants to be taken down.

And you know this, how?

Such absurd claims surely exemplify the fact of the metamorphosis of this site into more of a troll/hate/fake/conspiracy theory site & as an extension, does lead one to doubt the content on the twitter being posted from the official handle.

To be fair you did Photoshop the poor Indian girl last time as a result of which you got banned

Are you looking for a negative rating or a ban?

Probably something similar this time, need to check. Must say twitter moderation is greatly fairer than PDFs although difficult to be perfectly fair in any moderation.

Being modest, are you?

 

[CriticalThought]

Who does give a damn about us may I ask? Certainly not Palestinians, Uighurs or Rohingyas. Ask the Chinese if you think they are going to be tickled by you bringing up the Uighur issue? If PM IK mentioned the Uighurs on his trip to China I can bet you that would be the last invite he ever would get from the Chinese.

What matters is how we stand in the court of Allah the Almighty. And for those of us who have conscience, it matters how we stand in the court of our own conscience.

No. the law of nature is simple. People jump from the sinking ship and take refuge in another boat. Of course not all can. But me and you did. I ended up in UK and your in Australia. Thus we can now talk big.

Yes, but they don't leave their morals behind.

The reality of a bankrupt economy is only for those left in the ship. It is they who have to sober up and compromise or else they get no help.

What makes you think they will get no help? Thankfully, you are not the one providing help. Pakistan stands today, and Insha Allah will keep standing in the future as well. And Insha Allah we will not give up our support for humanitarian crises around the world.

 

[VCheng]

Do we see a course correction? No Sir! Objectivity, due diligence and neutrality (thereby giving credence to facts & intellectual discourse) are still scant.

Sometimes the simplest things are the hardest.

 

[Didact]

Oh! But we did warn you to post less of fake news and stuff! And be more objective & neutral to regain the stature that PDF enjoyed till about 2014-15.

We still do. Do we see a course correction? No Sir! Objectivity, due diligence and neutrality (thereby giving credence to facts & intellectual discourse) are still scant.

The specific photoshopped image in question was uploaded by a specific moderator. A moderator with a specific objective behind that. And that was merely the tail end of a fairly motivated campaign of using fake images for propaganda purposes. Post 2016 Burhan Wani PDF became the conduit for several hundred fake images to be released.....

All of this was intentional, at least by a section of the staff. I do not blame them, nor criticise. They are entitled to do this, but reputation is not something anyone is entitled to.

 

[The Eagle]

Twitter is continuously suspending/banning Pakistani accounts especially those who have been calling upon propaganda of India either about Kashmir (at large) or lies/disinformation spread to support internal hostile elements. Twitter authorities having Indian employment, tilted towards India due to nationalism somehow convince Twitter authorities to take action.

The irony is, most Pro-Kashmiri accounts receives notification under violation of Indian Constitution which does not apply to anyone outside India and above all; only Indian Citizen will care about but not non-Indians. Despite several contacts and reminders; none of grievances are heard of redressed. The mask of hypocrisy is so thick even with Twitter in many cases. Haven't we witnessed active accounts of terrorists such as BLF, BLA, Mama Qadeer and many others openly insulting Pakistan in general & Institutes specifically.

Twitter will always be biased & partial; unless otherwise Government of Pakistan takes initiative to highlight matters as such on higher level and sit down together to draw strategy with respect to handling of Pakistani Accounts which are currently suspended without any plausible reasons. Due to lack of voice, approach & mechanism; only those having contacts are heard whereby; Pakistan side of narrative & positive picture have been tarnished systematically given no space to practice or highlight matters of national interest while countering negative propaganda.

Either Government shall have Twitter Pakistan representation or otherwise, suspend direct Twitter service but with an alternative like Twitter-Pakistan. Even calling upon Twitter hypocrisy will have the impact that wouldn't need our own version. However, we cannot compromise our national interest, sovereignty & security; would be glad to see twitter banned if does not abide by the law of Pakistan like others.

 

[Falcon26]

Like what?

We tried everything bro. Even talked to twitter India.

Your handle was blocked according to India’s Section 69A of the Information Technology Act, 2000 which reads

69A Power to issue directions for blocking for public access of any information through any computer resource. -
(1) Where the Central Government or any of its officer specially authorised by it in this behalf is satisfied that it is necessary or expedient so to do, in the interest of sovereignty and integrity of India, defence of India, security of the State, friendly relations with foreign States or public order or for preventing incitement to the commission of any cognizable offence relating to above, it may subject to the provisions of sub-section (2) for reasons to be recorded in writing, by order, direct any agency of the Government or intermediary to block for access by the public or cause to be blocked for access by the public any information generated, transmitted, received, stored or hosted in any computer resource.
(2) The procedure and safeguards subject to which such blocking for access by the public may be carried out, shall be such as may be prescribed.

The question is does this law apply to Pakistani content? You need to reach out to Pakistani news media to highlight this issue. Only a clarification from your government will help resolve this issue.

 

[Quibbler]

Are you looking for a negative rating or a ban?




Being modest, are you?

After a few you dont loose any sleep over them. And yes.

 

[Falcon26]

Twitter is continuously suspending/banning Pakistani accounts especially those who have been calling upon propaganda of India either about Kashmir (at large) or lies/disinformation spread to support internal hostile elements. Twitter authorities having Indian employment, tilted towards India due to nationalism somehow convince Twitter authorities to take action.

The irony is, most Pro-Kashmiri accounts receives notification under violation of Indian Constitution which does not apply to anyone outside India and above all; only Indian Citizen will care about but not non-Indians. Despite several contacts and reminders; none of grievances are heard of redressed. The mask of hypocrisy is so thick even with Twitter in many cases. Haven't we witnessed active accounts of terrorists such as BLF, BLA, Mama Qadeer and many others openly insulting Pakistan in general & Institutes specifically.

Twitter will always be biased & partial; unless otherwise Government of Pakistan takes initiative to highlight matters as such on higher level and sit down together to draw strategy with respect to handling of Pakistani Accounts which are currently suspended without any plausible reasons. Due to lack of voice, approach & mechanism; only those having contacts are heard whereby; Pakistan side of narrative & positive picture have been tarnished systematically given no space to practice or highlight matters of national interest while countering negative propaganda.

Either Government shall have Twitter Pakistan representation or otherwise, suspend direct Twitter service but with an alternative like Twitter-Pakistan. Even calling upon Twitter hypocrisy will have the impact that wouldn't need our own version. However, we cannot compromise our national interest, sovereignty & security; would be glad to see twitter banned if does not abide by the law of Pakistan like others.

There are 100 million plus Pakistanis under the age of 35. I don’t think twitter wants to shut itself from such a big market but you need to lobby your government and media to highlight this issue. If you see my first comment on this thread, you will see some of the actual request made by GoI and some of the accounts it wants banned are popular Pakistani accounts which have nothing to do with India or incite violence. It’s tantamount to suppression of differing views.

 

[HRK]

Twitter authorities having Indian employment, tilted towards India due to nationalism somehow convince Twitter authorities to take action.

The irony is, most Pro-Kashmiri accounts receives notification under violation of Indian Constitution which does not apply to anyone outside India and above all; only Indian Citizen will care about but not non-Indians. Despite several contacts and reminders; none of grievances are heard of redressed. The mask of hypocrisy is so thick even with Twitter in many cases. Haven't we witnessed active accounts of terrorists such as BLF, BLA, Mama Qadeer and many others openly insulting Pakistan in general & Institutes specifically.

this is the real issue here which can not get resolve by involvement of a individual or group of individuals we can only highlight the issue but for resolution government involvement is necessary

 

[Hellfire]

Your handle was blocked according to India’s Section 69A of the Information Technology Act, 2000 which reads

69A Power to issue directions for blocking for public access of any information through any computer resource. -
(1) Where the Central Government or any of its officer specially authorised by it in this behalf is satisfied that it is necessary or expedient so to do, in the interest of sovereignty and integrity of India, defence of India, security of the State, friendly relations with foreign States or public order or for preventing incitement to the commission of any cognizable offence relating to above, it may subject to the provisions of sub-section (2) for reasons to be recorded in writing, by order, direct any agency of the Government or intermediary to block for access by the public or cause to be blocked for access by the public any information generated, transmitted, received, stored or hosted in any computer resource.
(2) The procedure and safeguards subject to which such blocking for access by the public may be carried out, shall be such as may be prescribed.

The question is does this law apply to Pakistani content? You need to reach out to Pakistani news media to highlight this issue. Only a clarification from your government will help resolve this issue.

That is applicable only within the territories of India. Twitter is liable to only limit access within India not outside!

 

[The Eagle]

There are 100 million plus Pakistanis under the age of 35. I don’t think twitter wants to shut itself from such a big market but you need to lobby your government and media to highlight this issue. If you see my first comment on this thread, you will see some of the actual request made by GoI and some of the accounts it wants banned are popular Pakistani accounts which have nothing to do with India or incite violence. It’s tantamount to suppression of differing views.

this is the real issue here which can not get resolve by involvement of a individual or group of individuals we can only highlight the issue but for resolution government involvement is necessary

Can't disagree. The lack of lobbying is the first hurdle. Did not expect much in previous tenures but since establishing of Digital Pakistan initiative; current ruling quarters are somehow in knowledge of the matter but no progress seen as of yet.

 

[Falcon26]

That is applicable only within the territories of India. Twitter is liable to only limit access within India not outside!

Exactly. But request is being made for blanket ban and it’s being accommodated.i have provided a big list of such requests and in many cases, request is granted....and herein lies the problem!

 

[Hellfire]

The specific photoshopped image in question was uploaded by a specific moderator. A moderator with a specific objective behind that. And that was merely the tail end of a fairly motivated campaign of using fake images for propaganda purposes. Post 2016 Burhan Wani PDF became the conduit for several hundred fake images to be released.....

All of this was intentional, at least by a section of the staff. I do not blame them, nor criticise. They are entitled to do this, but reputation is not something anyone is entitled to.

The problem is that the blurring of lines between the administration and the member has rendered situations wherein the official line is increasingly same.

Anyways, let's see.

 

[Falcon26]

Can't disagree. The lack of lobbying is the first hurdle. Did not expect much in previous tenures but since establishing of Digital Pakistan initiative; current ruling quarters are somehow in knowledge of the matter but no progress seen as of yet.

I suspect in the future the GoI might even ask the taking down of official of semi-official Pakistani accounts and media accounts that the GoI doesn’t like lol It’s a slippery slope. Check the links below and download the PDFs

https://lumendatabase.org/notices/search?sort_by=&term=Legal+Request+to+Twitter+from+India+&utf8=✓


https://lumendatabase.org/file_uploads/files/4378572/004/378/572/original/69A.pdf?1538716169

 

[Hellfire]

Exactly. But request is being made for blanket ban and it’s being accommodated.i have provided a big list of such requests and in many cases, request is granted....and herein lies the problem!

The problem lies in inability to discern the role of administration, a patriot and a conduit of targeted news. You can not get away being all three without ramifications.

There is an increasing problem of fake news and targeted news being used to 'twist' facts, and twitter may have acted in accordance with the actions which have been undertaken by certain members of administration here, whose job was to filter the same and nip the issue in the bud.

There exist numerous instances of such fake news/information/distortions being replicated, processed and re-dispensed here itself, that the same being percolated into twitter posting is also nothing new. One can push their luck only so far.